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OK, I have always loved dairy products. As a child growing up on the stuff I never really thought of where the stuff came from or what its made up of and how it effects humans. Well I was wondering what u guyz have to say about this. Im sure there are come milk lovers in here.
Dangers Of Milk And
Dairy Products - The Facts
By Dave Rietz
Webmaster www.notmilk.com
7-6-2
Yes... milk is Mother Nature's "perfect food" ...for a calf... until it is weaned.
Everything you know about cow's milk and dairy is probably part of a Dairy industry MYTH.
Cow's milk is an unhealthy fluid from diseased animals that contains a wide range of dangerous and disease-causing substances that have a cumulative negative effect on all who consume it.
MILK'S BASIC CONTENTS
*ALL* cow's milk (regular and 'organic') has 59 active hormones, scores of allergens, fat and cholesterol.
Most cow's milk has measurable quantities of herbicides, pesticides, dioxins (up to 200 times the safe levels), up to 52 powerful antibiotics (perhaps 53, with LS-50), blood, pus, feces, bacteria and viruses. (Cow's milk can have traces of anything the cow ate... including such things as radioactive fallout from nuke testing ... (the 50's strontium-90 problem).
LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH IN AMERICA
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus.html (1998)
Rank Total Description
1 724,859 Heart Disease (think fats/cholesterol: meat/dairy)
2 541,532 Malignant Neoplasms (cancer: think toxins/milk/dairy)
2a 250,000 Medical system (drugs/etc. think ignorance/incompetence)
3 158,448 Cerebro-vascular (think meat milk and dairy)
4 112,584 Bronchitis Emphysema Asthma (think toxins/milk/dairy)
5 97,835 Unintentional Injuries and Adverse Effects
6 91,871 Pneumonia & Influenza (think weak immune systems and
mucus)
7 64,751 Diabetes (think milk/dairy)
7a 40,000+ Highway slaughter (men, women and children)
8 30,575 Suicide (think behavioral problems)
9 26,182 Nephritis (Bright's disease: inflammation of the
kidneys)
10 25,192 Liver Disease (think alcohol and other toxins)
(2a and 7a were added for completeness)
(note: Number 13 on the CDC list is -18,272 Homicide & Legal Intervention-. It is curious that the CDC would readily list law enforcement and homicides... and not the 250,000 deaths caused by the medical system!)
CANCER FUEL
Of those 59 hormones one is a powerful GROWTH hormone called Insulin- like Growth Factor ONE (IGF-1). By a freak of nature it is identical in cows and humans. Consider this hormone to be a "fuel cell" for any cancer... (the medical world says IGF-1 is a key factor in the rapid growth and proliferation of breast, prostate and colon cancers, and we suspect that most likely it will be found to promote ALL cancers).
IGF-1 is a normal part of ALL milk... the newborn is SUPPOSED to grow quickly! What makes the 50% of obese American consumers think they need MORE growth? Consumers don't think anything about it because they do not have a clue to the problem... nor do most of our doctors.
(See http://www.notmilk.com/igf1time.txt for a time line)
QUANTITY
Each bite of hard cheese has TEN TIMES whatever was in that sip of milk... because it takes ten pounds of milk to make one pound of cheese. Each bite of ice cream has 12 times ... and every swipe of butter 21 times whatever is contained in the fat molecules in a sip of milk.
MONSANTO AND rbGH (Posilac)
Monsanto Chemical Co., maker of fine poisons such as DDT, agent orange, Roundup and more... spent around half a billion dollars inventing a shot to inject into cows... to force a cow to produce MORE milk (for an already glutted taxpayer subsidized market).
Unfortunately, they created *FIVE* errors in their Frankenstein Posilac (rbGH) shot that direly affected all test animals... but that important report (Richard, Odaglia & Deslex, 1989) has been hidden from everyone under Clinton's Trade Secrets act. The Canadians read enough of this report (before it was stolen) to reject rbGH for their country.
Monsanto's Posilac creates additional IGF-1 in milk: up to 80% more.
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) insists that IGF-1 is destroyed in the stomach. If that were true, the FDA has proven that breast feeding cannot work. Common sense says their "finding" is ridiculous because this growth factor DOES make the baby calf grow (rapidly, as mother natured intended). Visit the Dairy Education Board at http://www.notmilk.com/deb/100399.html to review a DAIRY study that confirms what the FDA has lied about this for years.
IGF-1 INCREASES
This study involved two groups. One group consuming 12 ounces of milk a day and the other consuming the USDA recommended allowance of 24 ounces (three cups). This report notes that the participants consuming 12 ounces more milk per day... HAD A 10% RISE IN IGF-1 IN THEIR BLOOD SERUM! Now, consider that PER DAY, from ALL sources, the typical milk/dairy consumer ingests approximately 39% of daily diet from dairy... and that 10% increase becomes the "tip of the iceberg". We have NO idea of the non-dairy versus full-dairy difference but considering cancer rates... it has to be significant.
FAT
Whole milk 49% of the calories are from fat.
"2%" milk 35% of the calories are from fat.
Cheddar cheese 74% of the calories are from fat.
Butter 100% of the calories are from fat.
Most folks suspect that butter is all fat. Most folks have no concept of the just how much fat is in the rest of milk and dairy. Perhaps the 54% of Americans who are obese need to comprehend that milk, ice cream, cheeses, yogurts, and all the OTHER products that use milk derivatives (casein, whey, lactose, colostrum) are most likely a significant cause for their weight and health problem.
CALCIUM
Calcium? Where do the COWS get calcium for their big bones? Yes... from plants! The calcium they consume from plants has a large amount of magnesium... necessary for the body to absorb and USE the calcium.
The calcium in cow's milk is basically useless because it has insufficient magnesium content (those nations with the highest amount of milk/dairy consumption also have the highest rates of osteoporosis. Proof? How about a controlled study of 78,000 nurses over a period of 12 years?
Read more about it at:
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/030799.html Article on the 78,000 nurse study
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/092098.html CALCIUM AND BONE DISEASE
http://www.notmilk.com/badbones.html WHO GETS BONE DISEASE?
http://www.notmilk.com/bonehead.txt CRIPPLING BONEHEADS
http://www.notmilk.com/calcium/index.html Consolidated info
Cows milk has three times the calcium as does human breast milk. No matter, neither are very usable because in order to be absorbed and used their MUST be an equal quantity of MAGNESIUM (as exists in the greens that cows eat to get all the calcium they need for their big bones). Milk has only enough magnesium to absorb around 11% (33mg per cup) of calcium.
Per the USDA 8 ounces (one cup) of cows milk contains:
Calcium, Ca mg 291.336
Magnesium, Mg mg 32.794
The USDA recommends 1200mg of calcium per day. The USDA recommended three cups of milk a day only have 900mg of calcium. Some argue that only 1/3 of the magnesium is necessary. Mother nature seems to suggest it should be one to one. If the ratio for proper absorption were 1/3 magnesium to one calcium then no more than 300mg of that 900mg of calcium is usable. If, in fact, it is a one to one ratio... only 98.38mg of calcium is usable.
It is not a matter of how much calcium one ingests... but how much one does not lose.
PROTEIN
Milk can be thought of as "liquid meat" because of its high protein content which, in concert with other proteins, may actually LEACH calcium from the body. Countries that consume high protein diets (meat, milk and dairy) have the highest rates of osteoporosis.
THE 'WHOLESOME' PROTEIN MYTH
87% of milk is water. That makes it VERY expensive water.
Broken down into its basic groups... WHOLE MILK is:
WATER FAT CASEIN OTHER PROTEIN
87% 3.25% 4% 1% 4.75
(note: that is 3.25% "milkfat" which includes the 87% water.)
80% of the protein in milk is casein. Casein is a powerful binder... a
polymer used to make plastics... and a glue that is better used to make
sturdy furniture or hold beer bottle labels in place. It is in
thousands of processed foods as a binder... as "something" caseinate.
Casein is a powerful allergen... a histamine that creates lots of
mucus. The only medicine in Olympic athlete Flo-Jo's body was Benedryl,
a power antihistamine she took to combat her last meal... pizza.
For the whole Flo-Jo story:
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/092198.html,
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/111598.html and
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/112398.html for the whole story.
BACTERIA
Cow's milk is allowed to have feces in it. This is a major source for bacteria. Milk is typically pasteurized more than once before it gets to your table... each time for only 15 seconds at 162 degrees Fahrenheit.
To sanitize water one is told to boil it (212 degrees F) for several minutes. That is a tremendous disparity, isn't it!
Keep in mind that at room temperature the number of bacteria in milk DOUBLE around every 20 minutes. No wonder milk turns rotten very quickly.
PUS
ONE cubic centimeter (cc) of commercial cow's milk is allowed to have up to 750,000 somatic cells (common name is "PUS") and 20,000 live bacteria... before it is kept off the market.
That amounts to a whopping 20 million live squiggly bacteria and up to 750 MILLION pus cells per liter (bit more than a quart).
1 cup = 236.5882cc 177,441,150 pus cells ~ 4,731,600 bacteria
24 oz (3 glasses) = 532,323,450 pus cells ~ 14,220,000 bacteria
(the "recommended" daily intake)
The EU and the Canadians allow for a less "tasty" 400,000,000 pus cells per liter.
Typically these levels are lower... but they COULD reach these levels and still get to YOUR table.
CHOLESTEROL
The cholesterol content of those three glasses of milk is equal to what one would get from 53 slices of bacon. Do you know of any doctor who recommends that much bacon per day?
KOSHER
Is cow's milk and dairy "Kosher"? Consider this:
"D-3 always is derived from an animal. The sunlight reaction that converts 7-dehydrocholesterol to vitamin D-3 is a 'pure' chemical reaction that occurs in your skin in certain cells."
"The provitamin known as 7-dehydrocholesterol is extracted and isolated from the skins of mammals and purified." (Marian Herbert of the Vitamin D Workshop U of C)
Vitamin D-3 can come from four different sources:
Pig skin, sheep skin, raw fish liver, and pig brains. Most of the time, Vitamin D-3 is extracted from pig skin and sold to dairy processors.
Short answer to "is milk kosher" - probably not.
OTHER 'STUFF'
Fat and cholesterol. Lots of it. Per the dairy influenced USDA "food pyramid" all milk, dairy and meats should represent no more than 8% of the diet. Statistically, by volume of sales in a nation of 281 million Americans, it works out to almost 40% of the diet for MILK AND DAIRY.. without the meat.
The milk of each of the over 4,700 mammals on earth is formulated specifically for that species. There are special lactoferrins and immunoglobulins (cow specific immunizing stuff) that in humans serve as allergens.
LEUKEMIA
According to Hoards Dairyman (Volume 147, number 4)... 89% of America's dairy herds have the leukemia virus. (more at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/835)
DIABETES
The protein lactalbumin, has been identified as a key factor in diabetes (and a major reason for NOT giving cows milk to infants).
CROHN'S DISEASE
Mycobacterium paratuberculosis causes a bovine disease called "Johne's."
Cows diagnosed with Johne's Disease have diarrhea, and heavy fecal shedding of bacteria. This bacteria becomes cultured in milk, and is not destroyed by pasteurization. Occasionally, the milk-borne bacteria will begin to grow in the human host, and the results are irritable bowel syndrome and Crohn's Disease.
MAD COW DISEASE
There may also be prions (pronounced PREons) in the milk and meat. This is crystalline substance that acts like a virus... with an "incubation" period of from 5 to 30 years. The end result is MAD COW DISEASE!
HOMOGENIZATION
Large fat molecules cannot get through the intestinal wall into the bloodstream. The cream no longer rises... because homogenization breaks up those large molecules into small ones that DO get into the bloodstream! This becomes an expressway for any fat-borne toxins (lead, dioxin's, etc.) into your (otherwise) most protected organs.
CUMULATIVE EFFECTS
How does this impact humans who consume cow's milk and dairy? Obesity (over 50% of Americans and rising), heart disease, cancer, allergies, digestive problems, diabetes, asthma, desensitization to antibiotics, behavioral problems, and the constant ingestion of dioxin's, herbicides, pesticides (and anything else the cow eats that is not good for any critter), that winds up getting stored in HUMAN fat... is not healthy by any measure.
Those who resist believing the truth should understand that MOST of the world's population CANNOT tolerate the lactose in cow's milk. Up to 95% of the black population, around 53% of the Hispanics, etc.) So much for cow's milk being "natures perfect food" for humans! Mother nature knows better.
Common sense question: Where was this massive "milk is a must" before refrigeration, pasteurization and mass transportation? Back when cows gave only 1-4 pounds a day it was quickly made into BUTTER and cheese! Now that those same cows have been tweaked and shot-up with Posilac to produce up to 55 or more pounds of milk per day... almost all year long... it is suddenly (after many thousands of years) a daily "staple". NOT!
POLLUTION
There are around 9.2 million dairy cows in the United states. Each dairy cow ingests around 330 pounds of feed (perhaps 50 pounds) and water (around 280 pounds or 33 gallons) per day. Allowing for the best dairy production of 55 pounds of milk per day (over ten times what mother nature designed the cow to produce) that means that what remains becomes "slurry".
That means around 275 pound of urine and feces per day... per cow, for a daily total of 2.53 BILLION pounds of pollution. Per year... that amounts to around 923 billion pounds of UNTREATED pollution entering our streams, rivers, lakes... and drinking water systems.
Cows are hot-blooded mammals. Like all other mammals they pass gas. Somewhat like elephants their compartmented digestive system is rather inefficient... which leads to the creation of MORE gas. During a Discovery Channel documentary on elephants a parting quip was that the average adult elephant passes enough methane gas per day to run a car about 20 miles.
Cows are not much better. The English New Scientist (page 5 -31.8.96) mentions that cattle produce around 48 kilograms (105 pounds) of methane each per year and that more bubbles out of the animals' manure. Dairy cows eat more because they produce milk. With 9.2 million dairy cows times a minimum of 100 pounds of methane gas per year... that amounts almost a billion pounds of methane gas released into the atmosphere each year. With around 100 million beef cattle... pigs, sheep, and other "factory farmed" animals it should not be difficult to fathom the extent of this problem.
This means that "Beef is a greenhouse-intensive food" and a major cause of global warming (with dairy a significant part of the problem).
Another major point is:
"Milk is a very strong pollutant: it is about 400 times more polluting than untreated sewage. To put it another way, 1,000 gallons of milk has the same polluting potential as the untreated sewage from a town of 7,000 people." Morlais Owen. Chief Scientist for Welsh Water. North Wales Weekly News. 24.3.88.
SOME QUESTIONS ANSWERED
Q: What is WHEY?
A: Whey results when the FAT and CASEIN are removed from milk.
In making cheese, the curds become the cheese.
Whey's main components are bovine serum albumin and lactalbumin.
There are other hormones contained in whey.
Q: What happens to the:
59 hormones, scores of allergens herbicides, pesticides, dioxins
up to 52 antibiotics
When made into cheese?
A: Everything gets concentrated.
When made into butter?
A: The allergens get lost: but the dioxin's and
pesticides and antibiotics remain in the fat.
In the digestive system?
A: Steroid hormones survive, as do dioxins and antibiotics.
In homogenized milk, protein hormones survive... depending upon the
gastric pH, some protein hormones in cheese survive, but not all...
eleven steroid hormones survive.
AND WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?
Eventually, everything is broken down, but not before the chemical messengers (hormones) "deliver their message."
Each of those hormones and proteins acts differently and has different rates of degradation. BOTTOM LINE... they all survive to a certain degree... and the effects are cumulative.
OTHER HEATH-TRASHING SUBSTANCES IN COW'S MILK
Whey: Blood proteins. Bovine serum lactalbumin has been identified as a trigger for diabetes and other autoimmune diseases.
Lactose: Two sugars. Glucose and galactose. Galactose has been indentified as a trigger for glaucoma. There are several columns that cover lactose (covering galactose and galactosemia):
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/090599.txt Dr. Gordon: Heart Disease
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/629 Lactose is dangerous
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/453 Ben's heart
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/396 Female Cancers
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/378 Lactose intolerance
Colostrum (cow's first milk): Loaded with hormones, particularly IGF-I, along with loads of immunizing agents for COW DISEASES.
Answers courtesy of the NOTMILKMAN. ([email protected])
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http://www.notmilk.com/milkinfo.txt my 2400 word overview (this file)
http://www.notmilk.com/wholemilk.txt USDA facts, and what they omitted
http://www.notmilk.com/52reasons.txt A reason for every week of the year
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Extensive reasons by ailment/topic
QUOTES
"It's not natural for humans to drink cow's milk. Humans milk is for humans. Cow's milk is for calves. You have no more need of cow's milk than you do rats milk, horses milk or elephant's milk. Cow's milk is a high fat fluid exquisitely designed to turn a 65 lb baby calf into a 400 lb cow. That's what cow's milk is for!" --Dr Michael Klaper MD
"I no longer recommend dairy products after the age of 2 years. Other calcium sources offer many advantages that dairy products do not have." --Dr. Benjamin Spock
OTHER BAD NEWS SUBSTANCES
http://www.dorway.com aspartame (Equal/Nutrasweet) This fake sweetener is not an effective diet aid and it was NEVER proven to be safe. Think 92 FDA complied symptoms (including death see http://www.dorway.com/badnews.html).
http://www.truthinlabeling.org MSG this flavor enhancer kissing-cousin mind-blower to aspartame has 30 different names. Aspartame was used in the testing placebos BEFORE it was legal (see http://www.dorway.com/msg.txt).
Dave Rietz
[email protected][/email]
July 2002
http://www.notmilk.com/milkinfo.txt
Say 'No Way' To
Milk Whey Protein
From Robert Cohen
[email protected]
9-8-2
After fat and casein are removed from milk, dairy processors are left with whey protein. Whey is composed of bovine blood proteins. Serum albumen. Lactalbumen. Dead white blood cells. Hormonal residues including estrogen and progesterone.
The body's reaction to a foreign protein is to destroy that antigen-like invader with an antibody. For those individuals unfortunate enough to possess a genetic pre-disposition to such an event, the antibody then turns upon one's own cells. That is what is known as an auto-immune response.
In the case of diabetes and Multiple Sclerosis (MS), the body's response to whey proteins is to attack the outer membrane protecting nerve cells, or the myelin sheath.
It has long been established that early exposure to bovine proteins is a trigger for insulin dependent diabetes mellitus. Researchers have made that same milk consumption connection to MS. The July 30, 1992 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine first reported the diabetes autoimmune response milk connection:
"Patients with insulin dependent diabetes mellitus produce antibodies to cow milk proteins that participate in the development of islet dysfunction... Taken as a whole, our findings suggest that an active response in patients with IDDM (to the bovine protein) is a feature of the auto-immune response."
On December 14, 1996, The Lancet revealed:
"Cow's milk proteins are unique in one respect: in industrialized countries they are the first foreign proteins entering the infant gut, since most formulations for babies are cow milk-based. The first pilot stage of our IDD prevention study found that oral exposure to dairy milk proteins in infancy resulted in both cellular and immune response...this suggests the possible importance of the gut immune system to the pathogenesis of IDD."
THE MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS/MILK CONNECTION
The April 1, 2001 issue of the Journal of Immunology contained a study linking MS to milk consumption.
Michael Dosch, M.D., and his team of researchers determined that multiple sclerosis and type I (juvenile) diabetes mellitus are far more closely linked than previously thought. Dosch attributes exposure to cow milk protein as a risk factor in the development of both diseases for people who are genetically susceptible. According to Dosch:
"We found that immunologically, type I diabetes and multiple sclerosis are almost the same - in a test tube you can barely tell the two diseases apart. We found that the autoimmunity was not specific to the organ system affected by the disease. Previously it was thought that in MS autoimmunity would develop in the central nervous system, and in diabetes it would only be found in the pancreas. We found that both tissues are targeted in each disease."
MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS
Multiple sclerosis affects approximately 300,000 Americans. Two-thirds of those diagnosed with MS are women. Most researchers believe that MS is an autoimmune disease. Auto means "self."
WHO DOES NOT GET MS?
It is interesting to note that Eskimos and Bantus (50 million individuals living in East Africa) rarely get MS. Neither do those native North and South American Indian or Asian populations who consume no cow's milk or dairy products.
WHO GETS MS?
The British medical journal Lancet reported that dairy-rich diets filled have been closely linked to the development of MS. (The Lancet 1974;2:1061)
A study published in the journal Neuroepidemiology revealed an association between eating dairy foods and an increased prevalence of MS. (Neuroepidemiology 1992;11:304�-12.)
MS researcher, Luther Lindner, M.D., a pathologist at Texas A & M University College of Medicine, wrote:
"It might be prudent to limit the intake of milk and milk products."
Women are targeted by dairy industry scare tactics that offer misinformation regarding osteoporosis. Two-thirds of MS victims are women. As milk and cheese consumption increase along population lines, so too does an epidemic number of MS cases. The numbers add up. The clues add up. The science supports epidemiological studies. Got diabetes? Got MS? The milk connection has been established.
Whey protein? Say no way!
Robert Cohen
http://www.notmilk.com
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I stopped drinkin milk when I was about 7.
Finally figured out that I didn't like the taste of it.
Babycows only drink milk for a period of time as do we humans, we don't need to drink that shit more then a year or two.
I eat eggs, cheese n butter instead.
d00d, i love milk! i get that organic 1% stuff...really nice at about 12 a.m.....like right now.....
Milk is really good for you. Period. I have drank milk all my life, and I've never broken a bone, never had a cavity, and generally been very healthy. I love milk. It has tons of vitamins and calcium. It is GOOD FOR YOU!
On another note, it's always funny (at least in my experience) how the people who complain the most about "harmful additives" in food always seem to be smokers. 
I'm serious. All my friends who say "don't eat this, it's got poison always light up a minute later.
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| Originally posted by cougar23 Milk is really good for you. Period. I have drank milk all my life, and I've never broken a bone, never had a cavity, and generally been very healthy. I love milk. It has tons of vitamins and calcium. It is GOOD FOR YOU! |
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| Originally posted by Mental Exodus Doesnt the article adress the fact that the calcium content is useless to us? and that in fact over time milk contributes to many unhealthy traits? |
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| Originally posted by cougar23 I didn't read the whole article, but if it says that, than it's completely wrong. According to 10,000 other studies, calcium is good for you. People with calcuim deficient diets are statistically proven to have more broken bones, more cavities, and are at much higher risk for osteoporosis. Not to mention the benefits you get from all the other vitamins in milk. Milk is bad for you?! Good Lord, next think you know, people will be claiming it's unhealthy to breathe. Shit. |
I must admit I didn't fully read the entire article because it was too long, but from what I noticed, it basically says that milk is bad because of the additives, pesticides and hormones in it. Well, give me one single food which isn't full of all sorts of chemicals. There just isn't one. Milk in itself isn't full of those substances, those substances in milk are the result of the fact that the cows which produce that milk have those substances in them. Those substances are present in that cow's meat, as well as in all other food products available. So the primary argument is false, because it doesn't say milk is bad, but it says that polluted milk is bad. Something that goes for any food.
As far as the other arguments go, like the presence of bacteria (which are mostly good for the digestive system btw) or the problems with calcium, they are completely wrong. I myself drink a lot of milk, and I have never had a cavity in my 21 years of age. I also suffered a few very strong hits to my teeth and bones, and I have only once broken a bone when I fell from 5 meters height and landed directly on my arm, something that would break anything. And it healed in 3 weeks.
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| Originally posted by cougar23 According to 10,000 other studies, calcium is good for you. |
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| Originally posted by cougar23 Milk is really good for you. Period. I have drank milk all my life, and I've never broken a bone, never had a cavity, and generally been very healthy. I love milk. It has tons of vitamins and calcium. It is GOOD FOR YOU! ... |
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| Originally posted by biznology regardless of your beef against smokers, i would say the opposite of you. i havent drank milk regularly since elementary school and i have never broken a bone and generally been pretty healthy. i have only had a few mild cavities, but i dont think that is equatable to milk consumption anyways. basically, to cut thru all the crap on that article- just look at your average milk ad. according to the US Dairy Farmers(bias?) milk: -helps you grow big and strong(genentics, exercise) -helps build strong bones(possibly calcium, but not nec *milk* calcium -helps prevent osteoporosis(this is the big issue i have) a cup of uncooked broccoli has 2x as much Vitamin C as a glass of OJ and just as much Calcium as a glass of milk. all food has some sort of chemical substance or potentially cancer causing agent in it or on it - this is moot. the problem with milk is that it causes Ca+ to leech out of your bones, causing osteoporosis. why? because if you simply look at Far Eastern cultures, which like in Japan, often get their calcuim from seaweed or other plant based sources - there is almost no incidence of osteoporosis or many types of cancer, esp breast. in fact, many people of asian descent are lactose intolerant. perhaps you could argue problems with correlation, and im no milk scientist. but when you see high statistics of cancer and osteoporosis in many Western milk drinking societies it becomes questionable. and besides...of course the Dairy Famers will tell us what is good for us. doesnt mean its true| |
think this has blown the "dangers" of milk out of proportion,
besides post war time, with rationing and all, it was a main component of many diets
It saddens me that every glass of milk I drink may be my last...
I think its unatural for us as a species to drink the milk of another animal. But it tastes good. I have slowly stopped drinking milk and started with Soy milk instead.... much healtheir in my opinion.
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King I think its unatural for us as a species to drink the milk of another animal. But it tastes good. I have slowly stopped drinking milk and started with Soy milk instead.... much healtheir in my opinion. |
Well, I never drink milk neat, hardly ever eat cereal anymore, dont do coffee or tea, and only ever use milk a bit for in cooking (say for pasta sauce).
I do eat the odd bit of cheese tho, but I use vegetable spreads instead of butter.
Icecream is yummy, but I dont eat it that often.
My main milk contributor is probs chocolate, so if this stuff is all true, I don't think I have too much to worry about
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King I think its unatural for us as a species to drink the milk of another animal. But it tastes good. I have slowly stopped drinking milk and started with Soy milk instead.... much healtheir in my opinion. |
LOL! This is hilarious.
Have you people actually gone to the site of the source? (www.notmilk.com)
It looks like a conspiracy-theory site to me. 
And look at the big picture on the left, "Target: Blacks". It links to an article that pretty much says that the US is in a conspiracy against blacks by giving poor coloured families free food and milk, disguising it as an act of "generosity" while they really want to destroy the black population by giving them "poison" (i.e. milk).
This is just as bad as the US-gov't-orchestrated-9/11 conspiracy theories.
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| Originally posted by Alccode LOL! This is hilarious. Have you people actually gone to the site of the source? (www.notmilk.com) It looks like a conspiracy-theory site to me. And look at the big picture on the left, "Target: Blacks". It links to an article that pretty much says that the US is in a conspiracy against blacks by giving poor coloured families free food and milk, disguising it as an act of "generosity" while they really want to destroy the black population by giving them "poison" (i.e. milk). This is just as bad as the US-gov't-orchestrated-9/11 conspiracy theories. |
Ahhhh...
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| Have you people actually gone to the site of the source? (www.notmilk.com) |
From what they say there it seems like milk is responsible for half the diseases known to mankind. And I love the title of the book they're offering there "Milk - The Deadly Poison".
I'm sure milk isn't the perfect food (then again, what is?) but it you can imagine this article is over-emphasising the negative aspects of milk. In some cases it's just plan wrong, eg:
Lactose: Two sugars. Glucose and galactose. Galactose has been indentified as a trigger for glaucoma. There are several columns that cover lactose (covering galactose and galactosemia).
Lactose is indeed a disaccharide comprised of one glucose molecule and one galactose molecule. However, once the body breaks lactose down into its component parts, the galactose is then converted into glucose according to a multi-step metabolic pathway. Galactosemia results when one of the required enzymes in this pathway is missing, due to a genetic defect, and thus galactose builds up. Under normal circumstances this doesn't occur. Statements like this make it hard to trust the credibility of the entire article...
- Mmmm this articles are some way bias. Milk and dairy products are very healthy indeed to you. Obviously if you have cholesterol problems or heart problems, drink the Fat Free Milk, it's not like it isn't available. My causens, and grandfather who grew up drinking milk until now, are soo damm healthy!!!! and the best milk is the milk that comes out right after it's sucked out of the cow, that's the best milk there is. That's why my granfather, been 70 years old, still plays soccer like never before. My causens, jeez they got those bones so strong, won't even get there, and he hasen't had ANY damm problem.
Yogurts are good in fact, to help you get those cells active for the metabolism, yogurt speeds it up, besides been one of the most important and best factors to eat in the morning. SO really, all those problems said to be caused by milk, don't really believe it, hence the fact that I know lots of people that drink milk as if it was water, and they are the most healthy, I hate milk though, drink it sometimes in the morning, and no problems with that.
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| Originally posted by LiquidX - Mmmm this articles are some way bias. Milk and dairy products are very healthy indeed to you. Obviously if you have cholesterol problems or heart problems, drink the Fat Free Milk, it's not like it isn't available. My causens, and grandfather who grew up drinking milk until now, are soo damm healthy!!!! and the best milk is the milk that comes out right after it's sucked out of the cow, that's the best milk there is. That's why my granfather, been 70 years old, still plays soccer like never before. My causens, jeez they got those bones so strong, won't even get there, and he hasen't had ANY damm problem. Yogurts are good in fact, to help you get those cells active for the metabolism, yogurt speeds it up, besides been one of the most important and best factors to eat in the morning. SO really, all those problems said to be caused by milk, don't really believe it, hence the fact that I know lots of people that drink milk as if it was water, and they are the most healthy, I hate milk though, drink it sometimes in the morning, and no problems with that. |
i just dont understand how people here think that just because they are healthy its due to milk...
milk is simply a substance to help baby cows grow- humans arent supposed to drink it. obviously that isnt going to stop you milk stalwarts, but why blindly believe that milk is good for you just cause thats what everyone else says?
i havent been to 'notmilk' and it prolly is a conspiracy site, but that doesnt mean that milk is some wonder substance...
if you are so hell bent on 'health' and 'healthiness' you can be healthy without milk. and conversely just because you drink milk doesnt mean you are healthy- in fact its quite the opposite|
I'm enjoying a nice cool glass right now. I drink Skim Milk, 1 glass a day. Milk is so nutritious, sure it probably contains many of those hormones and toxins but, as has been mentionned earlier, lot's of what we eat probably does also. I love Yoghurt also. Deadly poison indeed
If I'm wrong, I hope they'll be able to cure my cancer when I get it...
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