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Bowling for Columbine, the movie

I just saw this documentary and all I can say atm is (not insulting any people here personally) but America, what a sick society.
This movie opened my eyes, I never thought it was like that.
People are "all" elements of a fucked up society, not living the lives they should live.
I know I'm gonna get some bad reactions here from people, but I post this straight from the heart.
America 17100 homicides, France 160, Germany 100, UK, 68 a year....
It's not the people's fault, it's the fault of the society they live in.
What a sick world, sorry, I had to say this...
I always heard about Belgium and mostly Western Europe to be the promised land, well, I guess I have to go with this idea...

Any reactions or comments about the movie?

Never heard about it. Is it a new movie ?

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there's also a shitload more people that live in America, of course there's more homocides.

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Originally posted by lonne Never heard about it. Is it a new movie ?

Never heard of it??
It's one of the most controversial movies/documentaries of 2003
Never saw anything on the news about Michael More stated his view on the war against Bush after he received his oscar?

Check this out

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0310793

Excellent movie!!!!! Made me stick to my seat! Whoever has not watched this watch it!!! Such a good film,,

its exactly my meaning TranceSeeker, i was totally stunned after watching this movie! i would find it really interesting to hear a meaning of an amarican about this film! i mean america was always a nice country for me, also my visit was great there if i remember (with 13,now i am 18 and ALOT more wise) but now its the number one anti-country for me lol, what an sad film!

i want it as DivX so i can watch it from time to time, so i dont forget, cauze its a big problems with films i watch normaly

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Originally posted by davinox there's also a shitload more people that live in America, of course there's more homocides.

It's not only the fact that there live more people.
People are afraid to live, they all own a gun there to protect themselves, that's why it leakes out of hand and students start killing students at school...
Weapons are toys upthere in America...It's not normal anymore...
In the middle of the movie u see facts about America, killing kings/presidents of countries and kill a lot of people...they think by killing everyone they'll rule the whole world...
It's in the people's mentality, they feel like killing too...
Canada on the other side, which is also a country with loads of weapon purchases is a whole other mentality...the movie shows u the opposite of how it SHOULD be...
I think this movie is perfectly made in every way...to show people how sick America is...and it convinced me too.
The director had the intention to let people open their eyes...if u watch the movie u'll know what I mean

it was mentioned in the political room

my world issues class had to watch it for an assinment..

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Originally posted by TranceSeeker Never heard of it?? It's one of the most controversial movies/documentaries of 2003 Never saw anything on the news about Michael More stated his view on the war against Bush after he received his oscar? Check this out http://us.imdb.com/Title?0310793

Unforunately i haven`t heard about it. I think i need to take a closer look on this documentarie.

Thanks for the link btw.

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Originally posted by TranceSeeker I think this movie is perfectly made in every way...to show people how sick America is...and it convinced me too.

I agree that america is a crappy country, but you are drastically generalizing americans. We don't all own guns. In fact, i know very few people who even know how to operate a weapon.

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Originally posted by davinox there's also a shitload more people that live in America, of course there's more homocides.

yes but the gun to population ratio is bigger in canada
we're not offing each other in record numbers

this movie is great, i'm buying it as soon as it comes out on dvd

TranceSeeker; while I do agree with you, you're greatly exaggerating. You shouldn't base your view on a country from a movie when you haven't lived there yourself.

I think to render anything in America down to "America's society" is a gross and just plain wrong generalization. There are as many societies as there are people here. We take everyone. Some of those fucked up people probably came from Europe and Asia not too long ago. Try to think big picture.

Cheers

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Originally posted by TranceSeeker I just saw this documentary and all I can say atm is (not insulting any people here personally) but America, what a sick society. This movie opened my eyes, I never thought it was like that. People are all elements of a fucked up society, not living the lives they should live. I know I'm gonna get some bad reactions here from people, but I post this straight from the heart. America 17100 homicides, France 160, Germany 100, UK, 68 a year.... It's not the people's fault, it's the fault of the society they live in. What a sick world, sorry, I had to say this... I always heard about Belgium and mostly Western Europe to be the promised land, well, I guess I have to go with this idea... Any reactions or comments about the movie?

Great movie very insightful.....

Just be aware that not ALL of the facts that were presented are entirely true...ive read lots of internet sites, which claim that Michael Moore manipulated and changed alot of details to make his movie more accessible...such as the last interview where he pigeonholes Charlton Heston, blaming him for holding that rally straight after the childs death..when the rally was actually held 7-8 months after this incident.

While some of the things you see may be shocking, just remember, USA is not the worst place to live in, and most Americans are fortunate enough to live in a relatively peaceful first world country, as opposed to war-torn or poverty-stricken countries.

However, with that said, when the flaws of the USA are pointed out, it is shocking, for some, to see that the "number one" country is not as great as they thought.

But it is hardly a reason to "hate" American society, as all countries have their weaknesses.

We can criticize it, and analyze it to death, but things will remain the same for a long time. Just be thankful you live in a country where you can easily access the internet, and talk about issues like this.

It came out last year, but it's such a great movie. It proves a lot about American society that Americans would not admit. For example, the fact that fear is imposed on us by the government and ourselves, hence all the gun usage.

I cant believe how two countries so similar (CANADA AND USA) have such different laws on hand gun use...I mean in the usa, i've seen guns at walt-mart !!!!!!

TranceSeeker:

First i would like to say how ridiculous it is to judge an entire nation based off of a very small portion of the population. You condemn the entire American Society because of how many people. 17100 people out of a nation more than 280 million. How ridiculous is that.

In my opinion, you are just like Micheline.

personally i like how all american on the internet are always pro american, here in school they never teach you what united states history as done wrong

in grade school, the native americans and people from the mayflower got along and had a big feast
everythings painted in a rosy picture, nothing really anti america
goes out on the media and if it does (afghanistans dancing on the streets aafter 9/11) we regard ourselves as more moral than them and just plain "more right"


edit: I BLAME MTV

Anyone see Charlton Heston retire from NRA, they gave him a gun for a going away gift and the dude has Altimers.

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Originally posted by mndeg personally i like how all american on the internet are always pro american, here in school they never teach you what united states history as done wrong

you're right. every single american is this way. there are no exceptions. oh wait, i hate america. think before you make such a huge generalization.

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Originally posted by igottaknow Anyone see Charlton Heston retire from NRA, they gave him a gun for a going away gift and the dude has Altimers.

You think its inappropriate for the national RIFLE assosiation to give a gun as a gift to their head spokesperson?!?

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there's also a shitload more people that live in America, of course there's more homocides.

Per capitia, its a far larger number in america. Ireland and detroit have roughly the same population. Even during the worst of the terrorist attacks in ireland, that year there were 10 times as many murders in detroit.

I knew I would get some negative critique towards me, but I'm prepared for it...
I'm not blaming every single person that lives in America...I already said that in my first post.
It's the general idea, the general view on a country...
Like a guy said, teachers tell you if u fail at school u will be poor and weak in the future, what's the impact on students like u and me about that...people get depressed and forced to succeed at school, they think they are nothing, a worthless person...The general idea is that this movies shows u that America is a very manipulating country, they hammer it in you right from the start.
Those guys who fail at school get depressed and they shoot everything that moves? Why?
Yeah I already said this...
Then we have the fact that "everyone" just needs a gun there to feel safe (note everyone between brackets...)
It's not normal that there are people that need a gun to feel safe...
It's just wrong, but yeah then u have some sick heads who promote guns, and everything is possible, u can get it when u open a bank account, u can get it everywhere...
It's normal that a few people out of those millions are gonna use it in a bad way...
U know what I mean....If u walk with a gun in your hand in America, it's like the most normal thing on earth, while if u walk with a gun here, people are confused, afraid...
U won't see someone walking around with a gun here, never saw someone.
So the chance of murdering is 1000% more in America...

Not insulting Americans here, u can't do anything about it, it's the society that grew like this...

I just want a good discussion without the intention to insult a single person here

What u think about the gun thing..?

I think its a copycat syndrome. The media jumps all over "breaking news" and reports it nonstop, basically immortalizing the wrongdoer, and inspiring more kids to do crap like this.

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Originally posted by TranceSeeker Not insulting Americans here, u can't do anything about it, it's the society that grew like this...

1. whether you admit it or not, this whole thread is a huge insult to american society. i agree that there are areas in america where people tend to be more violent. this is due to lack of education involving how to deal with conflicts. you are right. per capita, americans are more violent than most citizens of european nations.

2. Saying that americans can not do anything about the violence is also an insult (1) the american education and judicial system and (2) american citizens.

think before you speak.

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