Zundel Is Kicked Out!...about Damn Time!

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Posted by torontotrance on May-03-2003 05:26:

Zundel Is Kicked Out!...about Damn Time!

After this stupid mofo denies the Holocaust and runs the hate group in Canada for yrs and after yrs of taking his ass to court. We have finally kicked him out for good.

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/05/0...eporation030502

Brillant, now this SOB can finally get prison time in Germany. Finally the cdn gov't wakes up.

Posted by trancearmada on May-03-2003 15:29:

i hear the Germans hate him as much and it's expected that he will be given life in jail by German government...

Posted by torontotrance on May-03-2003 15:35:

after all that hate that man has spread

he deserves to be locked away for life.

Posted by Skipper on May-03-2003 16:44:

This doesnt mean he's being deported.The court has to go through proceedings to decide whether they want to force him to leave Canada. There are no time limits on these proceedings, so it could be forever.

If you actually read the judgements for Zundel's appeal to the supreme court of Canada, the judges in his favor make some very interesting arguments for why his right to freedom of expression triumphs.

Posted by torontotrance on May-03-2003 17:22:

Bottom Line is he violated free speech.

I hope we kick him out asap and get rid of that racist.

Posted by E*Master on May-03-2003 22:59:

quote:
Originally posted by trancearmada
i hear the Germans hate him as much and it's expected that he will be given life in jail by German government...

Jail time is not the right term. Not only wil he go to Prison In Germany but they will throw away the key. Hate Crimes are Punished TO THE EXTREME in Germany. We have some of the toughest Hate crime law.s in the world now. On Top of that Zuendel Wilg et Ass raped DAILY as the Warden will most likely give him a "nice" cell mate to be his "bear". Zuendel Better Kill Himself b4 he goes to Jail because the rest of his life will be hell if he decides to spend it in a Cell.

Posted by Alccode on May-04-2003 15:08:

This is sad...our world is totally messed up. Making him suffer because of his crimes will not solve anything.

I see no difference between him spewing hate against Jews (or whatever he did) and you guys spewing hate against him.

Revenge begets revenge....and the cycle continues....*sigh*

Posted by failsafe on May-05-2003 03:14:

i would have used the ghandi quote

"an eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind"

Posted by TheDemon on May-05-2003 04:48:

Re: Zundel Is Kicked Out!...about Damn Time!

quote:
Originally posted by torontotrance
After this stupid mofo denies the Holocaust and runs the hate group in Canada for yrs and after yrs of taking his ass to court. We have finally kicked him out for good.

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/05/0...eporation030502

Brillant, now this SOB can finally get prison time in Germany. Finally the cdn gov't wakes up.

Good, send the ****** where he belongs. But I know the Germans will treat with extreme prejudice and kick him in the nuts until they fall off. hating a race of human is one thing, but going on and on, and doing the shit he does is unacceptable. Good riddens asshole!

Posted by DigiNut on May-05-2003 16:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Alccode
This is sad...our world is totally messed up. Making him suffer because of his crimes will not solve anything.

Of course! How silly of society to punish criminals! That will never work! Instead, we should all petition to have him go free so he can continue to commit his criminal acts!

Posted by E*Master on May-06-2003 01:50:

Posted by Alccode on May-06-2003 02:11:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Of course! How silly of society to punish criminals! That will never work! Instead, we should all petition to have him go free so he can continue to commit his criminal acts!

lol.. nice..

But I thought all he was doing was exercising his right to free speech? It's not like he's actually killing Jews or anything. Besides, I'm against all forms of "punishment." My theory is that basically, when someone commits a crime or error, it's because they are mentally ill in some way, and "punishing" that person is like punishing a handicapped person for being handicapped.

Posted by DigiNut on May-06-2003 15:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Alccode
But I thought all he was doing was exercising his right to free speech? It's not like he's actually killing Jews or anything.

I believe that killing anyone is a crime, not just jews. But anyway, as TT said, bottom line is that he violated free speech. Remember the saying "my freedom to move my fist stops at my neighbour's nose." People could use the same "freedom of expression" logic to justify killing people too, but it won't fly, the line has to be drawn somewhere. Slander is a crime too, regardless of the free speech paradigm, the sticky issue with cases like this is that slander usually applies to one specific person and not a race or religion.

quote:
Besides, I'm against all forms of "punishment." My theory is that basically, when someone commits a crime or error, it's because they are mentally ill in some way, and "punishing" that person is like punishing a handicapped person for being handicapped.

Well, I've seen your other posts and I've seen you make a lot of insightful comments, but I'm just not sure how well this particular theory works in practice. Jail time and deportation is not just a punishment, it's a deterrent to other criminals and a way of preventing convicted criminals from committing further crimes. Not to mention a deterrent to the convict from doing it again. Last time I checked, mental insanity was a valid defense in court (and even automatism - temporary insanity), so people who really do have mental illnesses will receive treatment in an institution rather than typical punishment.

One of my favourite quotes from Law & Order, right at the end:
"Are you sure we're doing the right thing? I mean, with all that he'd been through... well, he's not exactly your typical killer."
"Yes he is... he killed someone."

Posted by DigiNut on May-06-2003 15:39:

By the way, I notice that the article didn't explain much, but I studied this case in a law class so here's a bit of background for any who are curious:
- Zundel operated a web site and distributed other kinds of propaganda (pamphlets etc.) as well, denying the holocaust and promoting other forms of anti-semitism.
- He was charged under a section of the criminal code (can't remember which number exactly) which primarily dealt with the publishing of false information. The section was usually used to deal with libel cases and was antiquated. The judges struck down the original case because the written law made no sense - not really because it was unconstitutional - the law also had nothing to do with prejudice, only falsified information.
- For the longest time, that case set a bad precedent and people have been getting the wrong idea from it. The government has now stepped in and taken a different approach to getting rid of him, which is a lot easier now than it was years ago because of his ties.
- Zundel was originally supposed to be extradited to Germany, which is quite different from simple deportation. He was to be sent back there to be tried there, because the German government was rather upset with him committing acts that they consider to be crimes and "hiding out" here in Canada. Canada's original decision not to extradite him pissed off a lot of other countries, so they are [hopefully] not going to make that mistake again.

Canada is very quickly becoming known as a haven for hate groups, terrorists, and fleeing criminals. Since Chretien hasn't done much to improve international relations, I think it's good that the justice system and immigration dept. has at least set a precedent that will improve this country's reputation.

Posted by King_Mack on May-06-2003 16:19:

quote:
But I thought all he was doing was exercising his right to free speech? It's not like he's actually killing Jews or anything. Besides, I'm against all forms of "punishment." My theory is that basically, when someone commits a crime or error, it's because they are mentally ill in some way, and "punishing" that person is like punishing a handicapped person for being handicapped.

as opposed to what...have him still on the street to exercise his madness? Sure, freedom of speech is important but there has to be a certain limit. By spreading the nature of his hate to the degree that he does it, I can certainly say it can be the equivalent of verbal premeditated murder. People just dont talk about these things and keep it to themselves..they go release their anger and create racial crimes.
And your theory about him maybe being mentally ill..well lock him up in a padded room! We dont allow nut jobs to run around on the streets anyways, so regardless, he would have to be locked up.

And diginut is right, some countries were upset at canada's earlier decision not to extradite him. Canada is sought to be a very lenient country in terms of punishment...

Posted by torontotrance on May-06-2003 19:19:

Remember this is the man saying WHITE POWER and basically putting hate literature out saying the holocaust never happened and he has started numerous hate groups. He deserves everything he gets and frankly I don't want him in my country.

Zundel can frankly kiss my white ass and i hope he enjoys jail in Germany because frankly he belongs in Jail.

Posted by Alccode on May-06-2003 23:37:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
...but I'm just not sure how well this particular theory works in practice.

Would've been better to say, "You're crazy." lol!

I admit, what I said was perhaps a tad idealistic! (who am I kidding? )

quote:

One of my favourite quotes from Law & Order, right at the end:
"Are you sure we're doing the right thing? I mean, with all that he'd been through... well, he's not exactly your typical killer."
"Yes he is... he killed someone."

Good one there!

Yeah, thanks for clearing up the info about this Zundel guy, all I thought was that he was "badmouthing" Jews and suddenly gets deported for that.

Posted by torontotrance on May-07-2003 00:15:

he spreads hate literature not just about jews but about blacks and other races.

Posted by Skipper on May-07-2003 03:44:

quote:
Originally posted by torontotrance
he spreads hate literature not just about jews but about blacks and other races.

Proof of this?

Posted by torontotrance on May-07-2003 04:14:

I think this proves he is more than a bigot

http://www.zundelsite.org/ez.html

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z...nst/censorship/

zundel from a report from 1977

Wherever we look, we White people find ourselves besieged by peoples of other races who compete aggressively against us for jobs, food, housing, education and above all -- power! The Jews are particularly adept at seizing or insinuating themselves into strategic positions in our society where they wield power far beyond the extent of their numbers....Through us, the White majority of Europe and America, the Jewish minority have obtained their advantages, including their Israel, their Federal Reserve, their World Bank and their International Monetary Fund. In exchange for these advantages, the Jews give us -- their White hosts -- wars, depressions, inflation, unemployment, energy shortages, higher and higher taxes and air piracy. Like sheep, they expect us to go down the road with them -- all the way to the kosher slaughterhouse. We White people of America have done nothing so far which would frustrate the Jews' expectations or their ambitions of becoming the world's slavemasters.

1981

You may remember that I had predicted that your own ethnic group and some of your leading citizens would next be the targets of defamation, vilification and distortion and that some of you might be transported to the Soviet Union and/or Israel for torture, trial and execution because the Zionists are striving to equate anti-Communism with Fascism in the public mind. Despite the hateful depiction of Poles and Ukrainians in the Holocaust hate film,4 you did not heed my warning. And now, the Zionist hate campaign is directed at you! ....

A wedge of lies, half-truths and anti-German propaganda has been driven between us by the Zionist-Communist commissars of disinformation. This propaganda wedge was purposely designed to keep anti-Communist peoples divided one against each other. We must smash this wedge of hate and come together.