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Posted by evil_bastard on May-06-2003 14:21:

Greatest footballer ever?

Like most people I think it was Pelé but I know a lot of people think it was Maradona. Others ponder how good the likes of George Best could have been if they had laid off the beer/hadn't been injured/whatever. And what if other greats like Cruyff, Moore or Eusebio had a side as good as Pelé's 1970 Brazil side around them?

Who do you think was the greatest player of all time, and why?

And if you could choose a team of any 11 greats from the history of the game, who would they be?


Posted by chesco on May-06-2003 16:41:

goalkeeper - zoff
defender - baresi
midfield - eusebio
forward - pele


Posted by Haunted on May-07-2003 02:16:

maradona is the greatest player. thats why he received Fifa player of the century award.. and not Pele. pele is overrated. he was the best in the 50's but that doesnt say much. its like saying hendrix was the greatest guitar player ever.. thats wrong since eddie van halen is hendrix just started it up in the early days.. just like Pele did. you take Pele and put him up right now he will get raped. Maradona will survive and will dominate because hes the greatest


Posted by Xavier on May-07-2003 04:48:

Pele won the world cup when he was 17! Yes thats right 17 years of age! And theres Maradona of course. Both south americans were genuises.

Kenny Dalglish great player for celtic and Liverpool. Liverpool got him to replace the great Kevin Keegan. The question at the time was can he fill king kev's boots, he ended doing more than that.


Posted by evil_bastard on May-07-2003 11:53:

Greatest player in the 50s?? Perhaps you should actually read a biography of Pel� before you comment any further (there are many on the internet) - he was born in 1940 meaning he was a kid through most of the 50s. He was dicovered by one of Brazil's premier players, who declared "this boy will be the greatest soccer player in the world" - he was 11 years old! He went on to smash world records not broken to this day, scoring 1,280 goals in 1,360 games! The peak of his career was the late 60s, when the government of Brazil declared Pel� an official national treasure to prevent European clubs buying him for massive fees.


Posted by -CosmicFire- on May-07-2003 11:58:

pele & maradona


Posted by PacMan on May-07-2003 14:16:

Ian Rush
King Kenny

and ofcourse maradona and pele


ops! almost forgot zidane.


Posted by chesco on May-07-2003 15:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Haunted
maradona is the greatest player. thats why he received Fifa player of the century award.. and not Pele. pele is overrated. he was the best in the 50's but that doesnt say much. its like saying hendrix was the greatest guitar player ever.. thats wrong since eddie van halen is hendrix just started it up in the early days.. just like Pele did. you take Pele and put him up right now he will get raped. Maradona will survive and will dominate because hes the greatest


Fuck off and die.

Have you seen maradona lately. he's an overweight cocaine addict. pele is still doing great things for world football.

If maradona was the greatest player he would never have used drugs and disgrace himself in the way he did. Sure he was unbelievably talanted but he blew that with all the scandal and the fact that he cheated england out of a world cup. (thats coming from a scot). Pele was great from start to finish..........

Besides any of these players up agianst franco baresi was the greatest ever player.


Posted by evil_bastard on May-07-2003 17:06:

quote:
Originally posted by PacMan
ops! almost forgot zidane.


I think Zidane is really underrated. A few years ago most people agreed he was the best in the world, espescially during World Cup 98 because he was on the winning side and there was a lot of hype about him. He hasn't got any worse, yet people seem to ignore him more. IMO he's a legend and one of the best, if not the best player in the world now.

Gazza (Paul Gascgoine) could have been remembered a great, but I doubt he will because of his alcohol problems (that didn't stop George Best from reaching that status I know). If he'd kept away from alcohol I think Gazza could have been remembered alongside the greats in English football, but instead I think he will only be semi-famous in a few decades time, which is a great shame for such a talented player. His career has gone so far downhill it's not even funny - he's gone from world class football to failing to impress an unheard of second division chinese team! He'll always be remembered in Newcastle though, espescially for that goal against Scotland.


Posted by mr.marcello on May-07-2003 17:24:

quote:
Originally posted by chesco
Have you seen maradona lately. he's an overweight cocaine addict. pele is still doing great things for world football.


So what? It's all about soccer qualities!


Posted by evil_bastard on May-07-2003 18:41:

Thumbs down



Maradona's fantastic abilities at work there as he knocks England out of the World Cup


Posted by Haunted on May-08-2003 00:42:

quote:
Originally posted by evil_bastard
Greatest player in the 50s?? Perhaps you should actually read a biography of Pel� before you comment any further (there are many on the internet) - he was born in 1940 meaning he was a kid through most of the 50s. He was dicovered by one of Brazil's premier players, who declared "this boy will be the greatest soccer player in the world" - he was 11 years old! He went on to smash world records not broken to this day, scoring 1,280 goals in 1,360 games! The peak of his career was the late 60s, when the government of Brazil declared Pel� an official national treasure to prevent European clubs buying him for massive fees.


pele played in the 58 world cup


Posted by Haunted on May-08-2003 00:45:

quote:
Originally posted by chesco
Fuck off and die.

Have you seen maradona lately. he's an overweight cocaine addict. pele is still doing great things for world football.

If maradona was the greatest player he would never have used drugs and disgrace himself in the way he did. Sure he was unbelievably talanted but he blew that with all the scandal and the fact that he cheated england out of a world cup. (thats coming from a scot). Pele was great from start to finish..........

Besides any of these players up agianst franco baresi was the greatest ever player.


you fuck off and die
this isnt "best athletic role model"
this is best player
like skills..i dont give a fuck about maradona now
im saying maradona at his peak will run over pele at his peak
and again. if pele is so great he wouldve won player of the century award,and who got greatest world cup goal in history? not pele... was maradona again. thats 2 for maradona 0 for pele


Posted by Shamez214 on May-08-2003 04:03:

quote:
Originally posted by evil_bastard


wow... that is BAD.... REAL BAD. and as for haunted, that would be like saying 'babe ruth sucks compared to today's baseball players' athletes will continually get stronger, faster, and better as the years pass. so if you put the all stars of today against the all stars in the 50's, 60's and 70's, odds are the millenium team would win. in any sport.


Posted by Dj-HordasH on May-08-2003 06:04:

ZINEDINE - Zizou - ZIDANE


Posted by mr.marcello on May-08-2003 07:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Haunted
you fuck off and die
this isnt "best athletic role model"
this is best player
like skills..i dont give a fuck about maradona now
im saying maradona at his peak will run over pele at his peak
and again. if pele is so great he wouldve won player of the century award,and who got greatest world cup goal in history? not pele... was maradona again. thats 2 for maradona 0 for pele


That's what I mean! It's all about soccer and nothing else!


Posted by evil_bastard on May-08-2003 08:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Haunted
pele played in the 58 world cup


He was 17, and it was the first of 4 world cups he had with Brazil. He was born in 1940, which means in 1951 he was 11, in 1955 he was 14. You're comments about him being limited to the 50s are wrong, he was only a kid then.


Posted by evil_bastard on May-08-2003 08:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Haunted if pele is so great he wouldve won player of the century award,and who got greatest world cup goal in history? not pele... was maradona again. thats 2 for maradona 0 for pele


Pele did win player of the century award.


Posted by TranceGiant on May-09-2003 07:13:

Beckenbauer
Maradona
Platini
Pel�
Van Basten
Gerd Mueller
Zidane
Baggio
Ronaldo


Posted by Disney on May-09-2003 16:52:

Why has no one mentioned Johan Cruijf yet...


Posted by Haunted on May-09-2003 21:18:

quote:
Originally posted by evil_bastard
Pele did win player of the century award.


hahah fifa is so fucking gay
just read this..

maradona leading with 78 000 votes ahead of Pele with 26 000 votes for fifa player of the century award.. and Fifa didnt want to leave pele empty handed so they split the award in half
fifa is fucking gay


Posted by evil_bastard on May-10-2003 11:27:

Actually FIFA conducted two polls, an internet poll and a magazine poll. The internet poll produced suspicous results (whatever you may think the vast majority of the world does not think it was Maradona). In the internet poll, Maradona recieved 56 percent of the votes, Pele just 18 percent.

The Argentinian Football Federation was accused of launching a concerted campaign to swing the vote Maradona's way. The results of FIFA's magazine poll were completely the opposite - Pele got 72 percent, second was Di Stefano with 9 percent and third was Maradona with just 6 percent.

FIFA decided to give 2 Player of the Century Awards.


Posted by evil_bastard on May-10-2003 11:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Disney
Why has no one mentioned Johan Cruijf yet...


I mentioned him in the first post.


Posted by jp on May-11-2003 13:35:

Ruud van Nistelrooij will be the best player ever

12 Goals scored in this years Champions League


Posted by chesco on May-12-2003 12:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Haunted fifa is fucking gay


Now theres the comment of a mature individual.

I don't know how you can call a cheat the best player ever.

Everybody always seems to overlook defenders and goalkeepers when it comes to these questions.

For me baresi all the way.


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