what vibe does Tiesto's NYANA give out???

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Posted by Aldrian on May-07-2003 06:32:

what vibe does Tiesto's NYANA give out???

is it fast uplifting usual tiesto stuff or does he depart from that and does a Sasha Airdrawndagger on us????

some say it is boring and some are saying it is nice to listen to.

Posted by mikefasssy on May-07-2003 06:52:

Well, I would say its a lot differenty than the good ol magik series, and yes some parts are boring, but I think the vibe I get is a relaxed cd of what he really wanted to compile, not necassarily what was new and hot etc.

Posted by Arsalan on May-07-2003 07:03:

the CD gives the good old Tiesto VIBE, its all about the Tiesto VIBE

Posted by Choobak on May-07-2003 07:07:

it gives out an "i'm not very good at mixing; not even studio mixing" vibe...

Posted by Christopher B on May-07-2003 08:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Choobak
it gives out an "i'm not very good at mixing; not even studio mixing" vibe...

heheh. Don't really agree with you, but funny nonetheless.

Posted by ambrus07 on May-07-2003 08:40:

usual tiesto.. great track selection, shitty mixing and programming. they balance out to give a pretty good CD. nothing special, really.

Posted by DjDeComp on May-07-2003 08:42:

the track selection is good but the way they are placed doesnt appeal to me

Posted by basd on May-07-2003 09:19:

Re: what vibe does Tiesto's NYANA give out???

quote:
Originally posted by Aldrian
is it fast uplifting usual tiesto stuff or does he depart from that and does a Sasha Airdrawndagger on us????

Comparing it with ADD is like comparing a Lada with a Maserati..

But that's maybe just because I'm not into trance that much.. Though I like the Venus track..

Posted by PitchBend on May-07-2003 11:19:

It's a good album with interesting tracks, but sometimes it's a little boring or even annoying with tracks like Frank Biazzi remix of obsession I hate that track!.
As sayed above nothing special.

Most interesting tracks of cd1 for me:
venus
tears from the moon
gtr- mistral

and of cd2:
Gabriel & Dressden remix of Beautiful things
as the rush comes
north pole

Posted by Mr.Mystery on May-07-2003 12:25:

quote:
Originally posted by ambrus07
usual tiesto.. great track selection, shitty mixing and programming. they balance out to give a pretty good CD. nothing special, really.

Maybe you've been listening to a different album than me but I can't hear anything being wrong with the mixing...

Posted by Pio on May-07-2003 12:35:

I'm not going to have this discussion a million times. The mixing is perfectly fine. People that say that the mixing sucked have issues with the way he transitioned from different genres and vibes in a brusque manner. I actually enjoy those contrasts, as they are very musical and all have a rationale that does wonders in the dancefloor. Tiesto once again proves his talent for in-key mixing by doing amazing harmonic/melodic progressions from track to track. Most of you don't even know how that system works so it's quite funny that you call him a bad dj. Nyana is indeed the best of both worlds, representing the harder and softer sides of Tiesto's sets as of late. Another eternal classic by Tijs

Posted by Hitman on May-07-2003 14:22:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ P�O
I'm not going to have this discussion a million times. The mixing is perfectly fine. People that say that the mixing sucked have issues with the way he transitioned from different genres and vibes in a brusque manner. I actually enjoy those contrasts, as they are very musical and all have a rationale that does wonders in the dancefloor. Tiesto once again proves his talent for in-key mixing by doing amazing harmonic/melodic progressions from track to track. Most of you don't even know how that system works so it's quite funny that you call him a bad dj. Nyana is indeed the best of both worlds, representing the harder and softer sides of Tiesto's sets as of late. Another eternal classic by Tijs

same here

stop bitching about the mixing or the trackorder...

Posted by speedracer_mec on May-07-2003 15:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Hitman
same here

stop bitching about the mixing or the trackorder...

or the tracklisting for that matter

Posted by MaGiK54 on May-07-2003 15:20:

Nyana thread 1.000.000

Posted by Choobak on May-07-2003 16:23:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ P�O
I'm not going to have this discussion a million times. The mixing is perfectly fine. People that say that the mixing sucked have issues with the way he transitioned from different genres and vibes in a brusque manner. I actually enjoy those contrasts, as they are very musical and all have a rationale that does wonders in the dancefloor. Tiesto once again proves his talent for in-key mixing by doing amazing harmonic/melodic progressions from track to track. Most of you don't even know how that system works so it's quite funny that you call him a bad dj. Nyana is indeed the best of both worlds, representing the harder and softer sides of Tiesto's sets as of late. Another eternal classic by Tijs

I have an idea... let's call Tiesto's mixing something that can only be appreciated by an elitist group of classically educated musicians... that way we can fabricate reasons to defend his technically deficient mixing...

Posted by Mr.Mystery on May-07-2003 16:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Choobak
that way we can fabricate reasons to defend his technically deficient mixing...

Care to elaborate that thought or would you just like to carry on the random bashing?

Posted by T_2199 on May-07-2003 18:16:

Posted by Pio on May-07-2003 19:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Choobak
I have an idea... let's call Tiesto's mixing something that can only be appreciated by an elitist group of classically educated musicians... that way we can fabricate reasons to defend his technically deficient mixing...

I don't need to fabricate anything, his over 20 compilations (all made in live turntables) speak for themselves. Obviously not only classically educated musicians can appreciate his mixing since most people that like Tiesto's mixes, and even Tiesto himself, are not classically trained in any way. I've never said that Tiesto has great beatmatching abilities, I know he doesn't compared to a lot of other djs out there. Tiesto's mixing is brilliant and unique for other reasons, he has a great ear for music and his mixing shows it off. I don't mind a shady transition where the beats aren't perfectly synchronized as long as the tracks are laid out and connected with good taste.

If there are any trainwrecks in these CDs please let us know about them so we can discuss them concretely. There are couple of shady-but not off-transitions but as I said before that's part of the live mixing, no human being is a perfect metronome.

You hate Tiesto yet you keep downloading his music and going to his gigs. Why bother? Do you get off from the thrill of flaming and criticizing his work?

Posted by INDY on May-07-2003 21:39:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ P�O
I'm not going to have this discussion a million times. The mixing is perfectly fine. People that say that the mixing sucked have issues with the way he transitioned from different genres and vibes in a brusque manner. I actually enjoy those contrasts, as they are very musical and all have a rationale that does wonders in the dancefloor. Tiesto once again proves his talent for in-key mixing by doing amazing harmonic/melodic progressions from track to track. Most of you don't even know how that system works so it's quite funny that you call him a bad dj. Nyana is indeed the best of both worlds, representing the harder and softer sides of Tiesto's sets as of late. Another eternal classic by Tijs

AMEN im soo tired and sick of all these motherf**ckers bitching about the mixing, programming blah blah....dude i swear if you cant do it yourself , dont say shit PERIOD!!!!!!!!!

Posted by ampburner on May-07-2003 22:11:

I don't hate tiesto, In fact I love him and I'm looking forward to saturday, BUT...

I agree that the mixing on this compilation cd is mediocre at best. I'm not gonna whine about beat-matching, because I don't think it's that bad at all (better than on ISOS 3), but some of the transitions are just standard (read unimaginative

and sometimes the songs just don't fit well together (basslines/keys/tempochanges etc.)I'm not saying I don't like variety in a set, but it has to have a certain flow to it, and frankly, I miss that when listening to (insert random example) "u write the rules" into "nothing"

luckily the tracklist more than makes up for this!

maybe tiesto should try not using fitting this many *BIG*, WONDERFUL (can't stress this enough!) tunes on his compilation cd's and play some tracks that are less know, maybe even less quality (individually) but that contribute to each other, making an overall better compilation.

as an example, I'd like to suggest you go and compare

DJ Ti�sto - Summerbreeze to
Noel Sanger - Summerbreeze II (cd2)

not many floorfillers on the last one, but noel sanger managed to make an IMO much better blend/journey compilation on the 2nd one.

Posted by StalkerElmo on May-07-2003 23:27:

you know.. after listening to nyana quite a few times.. i've realized something.. the great "hype" on this album well.. please don't hate me but.. i think this album just threw up some delicious tunes with average mixing skills put into it.. the track selection was nice but i didnt like the way how he ordered it..

it's a good cd.. but.. definitly not tiesto's best Imo

Posted by mikefasssy on May-08-2003 00:45:

mixing isn't the greatest I have to say, sometimes I was like wtf is this really tijs behind the decks?? (or however it was mixed)

Posted by Choobak on May-08-2003 01:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Care to elaborate that thought or would you just like to carry on the random bashing?

I carried out lengthy arguement about this after seeing him here in october. If you're really so interested in valid reasons, go do a search in the New York thread about it. This mix cd is just a continuation of his ever growing disregard for good mixing.

quote:
Originally posted by T_2199
I have an idea... STFU

Great idea. You've really contributed a great deal to the conversation. I salute you!

quote:
Originally posted by DJ P�O
I don't need to fabricate anything, his over 20 compilations (all made in live turntables) speak for themselves. Obviously not only classically educated musicians can appreciate his mixing since most people that like Tiesto's mixes, and even Tiesto himself, are not classically trained in any way. I've never said that Tiesto has great beatmatching abilities, I know he doesn't compared to a lot of other djs out there. Tiesto's mixing is brilliant and unique for other reasons, he has a great ear for music and his mixing shows it off. I don't mind a shady transition where the beats aren't perfectly synchronized as long as the tracks are laid out and connected with good taste.

If there are any trainwrecks in these CDs please let us know about them so we can discuss them concretely. There are couple of shady-but not off-transitions but as I said before that's part of the live mixing, no human being is a perfect metronome.

You hate Tiesto yet you keep downloading his music and going to his gigs. Why bother? Do you get off from the thrill of flaming and criticizing his work?

I always end up arguing with you. I'm always criticizing his technical mixing skills and you always agree that he's lacking tachnical skill. So you're never really bringing up any good counterarguements to my claim but rather are just mentioning ways in which his mixing makes him unique and what not. I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT TECHNICAL SKILL!

The reason I keep engaging in these arguements is because I really loved tiesto when I was first getting into trance in the mid and late 90s. He was really great up until early 2001 after which his mixing got really bad. I swore I'd never go to another one of his shows after last october but I've been hearing great things about him from friends who saw him at the WMC and I'm willing to give him another chance.

So, I'm gonna go see him next Friday and I'll see whether he's really improved. Otherwise, I stand by my original opinion.

quote:
Originally posted by politcs_of_danc
AMEN im soo tired and sick of all these motherf**ckers bitching about the mixing, programming blah blah....dude i swear if you cant do it yourself , dont say shit PERIOD!!!!!!!!!

Indy, I was hoping you wouldn't read this . Anyway, I think everyone has different reasons he or she goes and sees a DJ. Some people go for the track selection, some people for the energy/crowd. I go for the technical skill. That's why I'm making such a big deal about it. There's a lot of djing skill out there and there are plenty of bedroom djs who can pull off better transitions with the tracks tiesto's uses in his cd.

Posted by dj tek on May-08-2003 01:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Choobak
"i'm not very good at mixing; not even studio mixing"

Ladies & Gentleman, The #1 DJ In The World..... TIESTO !!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO

Posted by djinnom on May-08-2003 01:27:

quote:
Originally posted by politcs_of_danc
AMEN im soo tired and sick of all these motherf**ckers bitching about the mixing, programming blah blah....dude i swear if you cant do it yourself , dont say shit PERIOD!!!!!!!!!

How about this...

If I can find all of the tracks on MP3, I'll mix them in the order that they should have been in the first place, all with flawless mixing and end up producing a quality CD set. Then I'll post it here.

Don't get me wrong. Tiesto has always been and always will be my favorite DJ. BUT, this double CD has some major flaws in it. The order, the list, the mixing all are flawed. The mix between Track 5 and 6 on CD 2 is so horrendous, I almost spilled coffee on myself while driving to work today. THAT's how bad some of the mixing is on this double CD. Period.

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