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question about pitch?
what is considered a huge difference in pitch? My question comes b/c sometimes i have two tracks that sound like they are pretty close in speed, but when i finally get them matched, one pitch is at 0 and the other is at say +1.0. Is that a huge difference?
That's peanuts. If you're playing a song of 140, +1% = 141.4. so 1.4 beats more in one minute. It's hardly noticable.
I consider from 6-7 a huge difference.
Re: question about pitch?
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| Originally posted by Hootchis what is considered a huge difference in pitch? My question comes b/c sometimes i have two tracks that sound like they are pretty close in speed, but when i finally get them matched, one pitch is at 0 and the other is at say +1.0. Is that a huge difference? |
ohhh, thanks!
did you often find when you first started that counting the bpm's was helpful in matching the tracks.
nah, counting bpms is useless. just match them up with the slider.
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| Originally posted by JohnSmith nah, counting bpms is useless. just match them up with the slider. |
And you don't have to have that sensitive ears to hear that the track isn't running at the right speed
On most cd players...
a pitch of 0.7% increases the track by 1 bpm
a pitch of approx 1.1% increases the track by 1.5 bpm
a pitch of 1.4% increases the track by 2 bpm
a pitch of approx 1.8% increases the track by 2.5 bpm
a pitch of 2.1% increases the track by 3 bpm
a pitch of approx 2.5% increases the track by 3.5 bpm
a pitch of 2.8% increases the track by 4 bpm
a pitch of approx 3.2% increases the track by 4.5 bpm
a pitch of 3.5% increases the track by 5 bpm
a pitch of approx 3.9% increases the track by 5.5 bpm
a pitch of 4.2% increases the track by 6 bpm
a pitch of approx 4.6% increases the track by 6.5 bpm
if the incoming track is faster than the outgoing
just follow the above, just know its a negative eg -0.7, -1.4 to decrease the pitch.
Hm, maybe you shouldn't worry so much about the difference in pitch between two songs as the difference in pitch in one song. What I mean is this:
Put on a record that you want to evaluate, and play it. Put your finger on the pitch and close your eyes, and listen carefully to the music! Slowly increase the pitch until you come to a point where the song doesn't sound good anymore. Then look at the +X number. You can also slow it down like this and see how low it can go before it doesn't sound right.
I don't know if I'm making sense here, but basically it's a good way of seeing the acceptable "range" of pitch that you can force on a single record. That way, when mixing, you can see if what you are about to mix in will sound like junk when you actually do.
In fact you don't even have to do this in advance, just do it on the fly. When you are considering mixing vinyl X into vinyl Y, which is playing, go to the middle of X in your cue, and just approximately beatmatch it and see how it sounds. If it's off then don't play that record. 
Doing qualitative comparisons like these, IMHO, is always better than figuring out things in advance by counting, etc.
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| Originally posted by Alccode Hm, maybe you shouldn't worry so much about the difference in pitch between two songs as the difference in pitch in one song. What I mean is this: Put on a record that you want to evaluate, and play it. Put your finger on the pitch and close your eyes, and listen carefully to the music! Slowly increase the pitch until you come to a point where the song doesn't sound good anymore. Then look at the +X number. You can also slow it down like this and see how low it can go before it doesn't sound right. I don't know if I'm making sense here, but basically it's a good way of seeing the acceptable "range" of pitch that you can force on a single record. That way, when mixing, you can see if what you are about to mix in will sound like junk when you actually do. In fact you don't even have to do this in advance, just do it on the fly. When you are considering mixing vinyl X into vinyl Y, which is playing, go to the middle of X in your cue, and just approximately beatmatch it and see how it sounds. If it's off then don't play that record. Doing qualitative comparisons like these, IMHO, is always better than figuring out things in advance by counting, etc. |
lovin the cdj100's master tempo
one more question for you guys, since you all seem to be so helpful.
Do you ever use the VU meter to just the pitch of the cued track compared to the present outgoing track. Or do you just simply you use your ears to judge everything.
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| Originally posted by Hootchis one more question for you guys, since you all seem to be so helpful. Do you ever use the VU meter to just the pitch of the cued track compared to the present outgoing track. Or do you just simply you use your ears to judge everything. |
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| Originally posted by Nabistai Don't use any help, no beatcounters, no VU meters. Forget about the bloody BMP's. When you listening to the bass of track A, go to track B and 'guess' what % you should put it at and then compare. The more you do this and the more expierienced you get, the more chance you get that your on it from the first time! |
besides, BPM counters suck, Most of the time they're not accurate at all...
to be honest, i dont use any form of counting or any method mathcing other than my ears...... i dont want this to sound big headed in anyway but after youve been micxing a while (ive had my decks 8 years).. you can tell by the sound of a mix in cue if it needs slowing or speeding, i cant explain it, but its just becomes natural to you.
the only time i ever use any methods, is when im mixing a track i dont know, then i count beats and bars for the next break
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| Originally posted by Ghostface lovin the cdj100's master tempo |
Master tempo allows you to control the pitch without changing the key. Usually I can tell right off if someone is using though because it has a tendency to mess up the track and skip sometimes, so I avoid it.
turntable adjustments
What if you've performed surgery on your TT's n modified the pitch screw inside. Cuz thats what I did. However, i really didn't notice a huge difference in pitch change. I would imagine then that after adjusting that screw in ther that those pitch levels would be different. Anyone have any info on this?
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| Originally posted by DJ Nuclear Master tempo allows you to control the pitch without changing the key. Usually I can tell right off if someone is using though because it has a tendency to mess up the track and skip sometimes, so I avoid it. |
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| Originally posted by raveanddie so you are saying , whenever we mix .. the master tempo has to be always on? i did notice that my mixing became a bit better when i turned on master tempo. btw, what do you mean by changing the key? |
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| Originally posted by IntegraR0064 Key is like...the frequency of the sound. You know how when you speed up a track way too much the voices sound like chipmunks, and when you slow it down too much everyone sounds like arnold schwarzenegger? That's because the key is changed as well as the tempo. By what has been said here, i'm assuming the master tempo on those is like on my str8-100s's "key correction", where you move the pitch slider, but it doesn't change the key. Then if you sped it up too much, the voice wouldn't be all chipmunky...since the key is the same, only the tempo is different. It would just sound like the person is talking/singing really fast. It's an amazing feature... Damn...that's harder to explain than i thought. Hope that helps. |
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