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ok what to buy ?

went to this party the other night, and only 2 dj's turned up. so by like 9am they were pretty fucked. so i had a go.

like id messed around before.

anyway i had such a blast, that ive decided im ganna buy me some turntables.

thing is i have no idea what to look for.

soo um how much would they be ? where would i get em etc

are there some second hand ones ? like id only want some cheep dodgy ones to start with.

anyway.

ta

basic set up consists of two turn tables, a mixer, headphones, carts + stylii, slipmats, some monitor speakers [home stereo system shud do] and some records!

to get a rough idea of retail prices check out these sites

www.djbasement.com
www.storedj.com.au

but if ur lookin for something cheap, definitely check out the local trading post. mm. are u in melb by ne chance?

Hey mate, welcome to the addiction

I'd suggest getting Technics 1200 Mk 2's. These are the industry standard decks...They are SOLID as, and are @ every club....anything else you have to adjust from or upgrade from at some point. Cartridges, I suggest if you have spare money, Orotfon Concorde Nightclub E's By far the best for a trance DJ and the kit is $600...The standard Stanton 500's are good if you can't tho...Or the Ortfon OM series...

Mixer, Industry standard in a Small/Average club is the Pioneer DJM-600 That's about $3k?. Vestax 175 is a VERY good mixer that's not as expensive and has awsome quality (loud/can be pushed harder then the DJM-600, but lacks effects).

headphones, if you got the dosh go the seinheiser 25 or 25sp's...that's abotu $400....otherwise I donno, the sony's are OK, are the technics...I haven't used the Pioneer one's Armin has, hear they are better then the seinheiser and a bit cheaper...

A good setup is NOT Cheap but will save u having spare gear lying around after you've had to upgrade.

Let me know if I can be of any help. I'm in Sydney CBD.

Cheers,
djway

If you cant afford Technics, check out the Stanton STR-100's..they're quality

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Originally posted by Pointy If you cant afford Technics, check out the Stanton STR-100's..they're quality

I suggest waiting as long as u have to to get Technics......Stantons are good (i've swapped a mate 4 a few weeks) but they are sooo much touchier, even tho, i've read like 10 reports of them having the same tourque.....there's a MASSIVE jump in the quality of the platter, and the general feeling between the two....

I'm in tears learning to beat match again, a challange i'm certainly enjoying, but a few times i've wanted 2 belt out a set instead of trying 2 mix...

--djway

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Originally posted by Pointy If you cant afford Technics, check out the Stanton STR-100's..they're quality

From all the prices I have seen, Techs are being sold a bit cheaper than the stanton decks (at least new).

if you only want cheapies to start off, stanton str8-30s/60s aren't too bad, but I would only recommend starting off on cheap decks if you aren't sure whether you'll stick with DJing. even if you only want to do it for a hobby, if you're going to DJ longer than maybe a year you will probably get frustrated with crappy decks.

I bought str8-30s 6 mths ago and now I am probably going to be getting some techs in a couple weeks, so the pair might be up for sale soon

but i am glad i made the choice for cheap decks because I have like 50 vinyls now compared to being able to afford about 10 if i had bought a pair of technics decks

get technics if ur positive bout stickin to the hobby.

for a beginner i suggest stanton str8 series decks.
nice, tho sensitive.
mixer, 2 channels, 3 band eq. e.g. djm300
carts, hehe i'm using ortofon OM PRO s.

do ur research and i'm sure u'll find something that suits your needs. shop around a bit too, as they're always sets going up for sale as ppl are constantly either upgrading or having trouble finding the time to dedicate to their gear.

I've rarely heard anyone that knows their stuff saying to get anything other than technics. The cheapest place in Aus that I've seen is www.keelo.com.au though they are definitely solid enough that buying a decent second hand pair would probably be slightly cheaper and, assuming they haven't been hammered, should be in fine condition. You probably won't save all that much as they hold value pretty well though due to the quality of manufacture. Check out the DJ booth section of this website for more info on equipment etc.

Oh another thing: people going overseas and bringing back equipment is probably even cheaper than prices in Aus. A friend picked up a couple of pairs of Sennheiser HD25s for $305 each in Singapore. Catalogue price here: $470 (though you can often get them for around $400ish)

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Originally posted by djway Mixer, Industry standard in a Small/Average club is the Pioneer DJM-600 That's about $3k?.

Sorry wade the djm - 600's you can get new for just under $2000 try DMC Lighting and Sound, best prices in Sydney without a doubt!

but if you have money to burn buy a Allen Heath Xone 62 mixer, you can grab that for $3200 or there abouts! that mixer will do you for life! best ever!

Doubt fall into the trap ofd saying "im only new, i dont need a big pro mixer" because with dj'ing you progress quickly and before you know it your wanting more features! TRUST ME! i outgrew my mixer in a year! so get something up there the DJM-600 i would go for if money was an issue if not then go the xone!

Good luck!

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Originally posted by waXology Sorry wade the djm - 600's you can get new for just under $2000 try DMC Lighting and Sound, best prices in Sydney without a doubt! but if you have money to burn buy a Allen Heath Xone 62 mixer, you can grab that for $3200 or there abouts! that mixer will do you for life! best ever! Doubt fall into the trap ofd saying "im only new, i dont need a big pro mixer" because with dj'ing you progress quickly and before you know it your wanting more features! TRUST ME! i outgrew my mixer in a year! so get something up there the DJM-600 i would go for if money was an issue if not then go the xone! Good luck!

Thanks for the correction I do agree, if you've got the cash to burn go aN Allen Heath mixer....They are a "professional" mixer, not just a toy.....i dream about such mixers....i've said too much... :P

--djway

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Originally posted by djway Thanks for the correction I do agree, if you've got the cash to burn go aN Allen Heath mixer....They are a "professional" mixer, not just a toy.....i dream about such mixers....i've said too much... :P --djway

*hands wade a tissue*

you ok man, just sit down for a bit, have a rest...its ok!!

haha!

Thanx Cam, all better now (C u @ Liberty BTW :P)

mi7ch:- let us know how things are going BTW

--djway

i would have to disagree with most of the above. Pioneer make fairly poor mixers and the vestax 175 isn't very good either. If you want a decent but cheap mixer go for the vestax pcv 003 i think it is, instead of a pioneer 300, and you'll save about $300, if you want 3 channel go for a vestax pcv 275, much better than the 175, and only a hundred bucks more or so. If you got the cash though go for an allen &heath, or rane, but otherwise, i would not recommend pioneer. Vestax make much better mixers at less cost. As for decks, stick with technics, best quality, and best resale value

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but if you have money to burn buy a Allen Heath Xone 62 mixer, you can grab that for $3200 or there abouts! that mixer will do you for life! best ever!

Allen & Heath X ZONE 62 Mixer
4 music channels, 2 mic channels, built-in filter & balanced output
AU$2799

i'm pretty sure you can get discount on that as well.......

Ecler SMAC Pro 40
4 Channel, 8 input mixer with 3-way EQ, VCA fader, clean output and excellent gain structure. Ideal for clubs or pro's
AU$1389

haha, someone pointed out how cool these look


PIONEER DJM600
4 Ch. DJ mixer with built-in effects and sampler, plus balanced output.
AU$1999

there is nothing wrong with these!!


i wouldnt mind that valve mixer by stanton though

its in the order of $6K last time i checked :/


I just have a stanton rm3-s, haha, yer it may be crap, but its fine for in the bedroom, one day, ill get one of the above depending

but yer, if you are just starting out, no reason not to get cheaper stuff, just for a while.

get ortofon OM pro (S) cartridges, bloody good value for money there

.....and then theres records, damn it gets expensive..........

ok um a few questions.

1) EDIT: i should pay more attention.

2) i dont get channels, like if its got 8 inputs but 3 channels ? whats going on there ? u can plug 8 things into it ? and dont you only want 1 output ? or 2 i guess one for the headphones.


and 3) do u have to relearn to mix with different decks ? like djway said he is relearning on new decks, if thats the case id better get something standard then hey ?




i think ill go the str8-30's or maybe the next model up.. being uni student doesnt really earn me that much cash

cant really decide about a mixer tho. will probably have to get the cheapest. but i would like 3 inputs so i can get a sampler as well. altho i see that some mixers come with a sampler built into them.

hmm, will have to keep lookin around.

and err i live in northern nsw, so um the second hand market is quiet like what it would be in a city.


oh yeah venomdx if ya still wanna get rid of ur decks gimme a buzz. im not sure if ill be getting anything else real quick.


thanx for the help everyone.

-mitch

my advice is...


if you are really serious about taking it up then you should get technics otherwise if your just gonna mess around and have some fun start off with cheap decks!

well um how will i know that unti ive had some turntables for a while ?

and if i wait till i got the dosh it couldtake another couple if months and i wanna play now dammit.


and um whats a belt drive ? like are some not belt drive ?
whast the go there ?

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Originally posted by musicman007 my advice is... if you are really serious about taking it up then you should get technics otherwise if your just gonna mess around and have some fun start off with cheap decks!

Agreed....Save Save Save.....please trust us on this....it is really worth hanging back a few months on this one.....

--djway

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Originally posted by mi7ch and um whats a belt drive ? like are some not belt drive ? whast the go there ?

the others IE technics are driven by magnets...... :tripping: lol...

if u like it a little bit and like music, there's a VERY good chance your going to grow to love it

--djway

I won't rehash the TT or mixer comments, it's all been said.

I will say though that I checked al the types of headphones (HD25, HD25SP, 1200, 1210) and settled with the new pioneers. Got em for $260 which is 200 bucks less than the hd25's. At the moment I can't fault them. I prefer the larger ear cup and IMO there's no way the hd25s are worth $200 more, if any.

belt drive = stay away from.

belt driven turntables are not useful for djing (they are however great for other uses).

so you pretty much have to get direct drive.

hmm, my setup was about $2500 about 2 years go

2 x technics
rm3-s mixer
2 x ortofon pro

its fine.

sure i want more, but meh!

more moeny ouy spend on hardware, less on records.

ummmm

hows ruff cutz going ghostface?
still alive?

Alright! Get the Pioneer DJM600 90% of all venues convert back from the allan and heath to the djm600 and the pioneer is the easiest to use and best feeling of the controls knobs and faders etc. I personally own the djm600 and where ever i've played, they have it so it's like being at home for me. Don't buy anything other than the Technics 1200 mk2 they are everywhere and you may as well use what everyone is using. Vestax and others just have a theory on what decks should be like but technics are what turntables should be and they have been for many years.
Headphones are a personal choice and vary depending on your ability to monitor. Most dj's use the HD25 sennheisers except they output mid highs and hurt my ears when monitoring. I personally prefer the Sony MDR-V700 as they have a 50mm driver and the output is clear and distortion free at any level. The output capacity is 1000mW i think, from memory, it is double that of the sennheiser HD25. It means they can handle double the output load even at peak levels.

Ultimately it's what suits you and your budget not what we think, so get out there and start checking the shit out! If you need help buying and stuff pm me and i'll be glad to help.

BTW. I paid $1700 for my mixer mid last year and $800 each turntable as well. $309 for headphones

Chris Pana

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Originally posted by christos I personally prefer the Sony MDR-V700 as they have a 50mm driver and the output is clear and distortion free at any level. The output capacity is 1000mW i think, from memory, it is double that of the sennheiser HD25. It means they can handle double the output load even at peak levels.

i can't beatmatch on these things!
they add so much emphasis on the bass to create a "bwuuuuuum bwuuuum bwuuuum" effect, i find it difficult to accurately distinguish the beats. sexiest dj phones i've layed my eyes on tho.

ok ok, its been decided. im ganna get me some technics.

thanks for all the advice everyone.

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Originally posted by christos Alright! Get the Pioneer DJM600 90% of all venues convert back from the allan and heath to the djm600 and the pioneer is the easiest to use and best feeling of the controls knobs and faders etc.

Which 90% of clubs would you be talking about?

From my very small, and personal experience, the DJM600 is a good mixer in small and medium clubs, but I can't(and haven't) see/n it being used in professional studios and large clubs.

Once again, from personal experience, it seems that I can push my Vestax (or any other Vestax mixer) louder[without distortion] then the DJM600.

It also makes sense in my mind that the seeing as Allan and Heath are (as far as I'm aware) ONLY in the high quality audio industry they would be better then someone like pioneer who is known most of all for the car systems.

--djway

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