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Posted by Fast Turtle on May-21-2003 02:27:

How many CD DJ's buy actual CDs as opposed to burning them?

So, how many of you do? There may have been a thread earlier about it but the 4 letter minimum makes it hard to search for.

I personally use both CD and vinyl but I do buy CD's too, to be legal and to support the artists...


Posted by Ghostface on May-21-2003 04:32:

Search for mp3 like this: *mp3* it will work as a wildcard search.

I basically use mp3 burnt onto cdr for hard to get tunes and unreleased stuff. Once the tune is released I'll buy it. The best thing mp3s are for is to preview the tune to see if it's worth buying.

People who only play off burnt cd's make me fucking sick. Not only for raping the artists they supposedly love but why should I pay $20AU for a vinyl and support the industry when they get it for free. They're fucking leeches and they should rot in fucking hell in my opinion.

More labels are releasing full tracks on CD now. Also remember some people playing off cdr have uploaded their vinyl onto their hard drive and then burnt it to cd to preserve their vinyl.

Music I've tried to buy but couldn't find, I'd DL, burn and play without guilt, but people who DL to save themselves money well...


Posted by Nell on May-21-2003 17:59:

i do, there cheaper and you get more on them


Posted by FuzzyGreen on May-21-2003 18:53:

As soon as I save up enough money I'm gonna buy a CDDJ 1000 because I'm spending way too much money on records. Also, if I have a CD player I can play my own remixes and productions too. But I wont stop buying records completely, especially the fun to mix progressive records.


Posted by Dj Flesch on May-21-2003 23:27:

I burn all of my cds--but I also buy quite a lot of music too!

I record all of my vinyl (about 70-80 now) to my hard drive, then burn it on cd. This way, as stated above, I preserve my vinyl collection. Not only this, but several months ago Dj Irish (from www.digitallyimported.com) had his flight case full of vinly stolen or lost on his flight to NYC. I never want that to happen to me, so I make sure that everything I own, I own forever, whether I loose it or it gets stolen, etc.

In addition, I only have one TT and two decks atm, so I don't want to limit myself to spining only one vinyl track in a row.

As I think most people think on this board, it is wrong to burn CDs because you can't afford it, or "because vinyl is getting too expensive". If it is too expensive, then get a better job or a cheaper hobbey.


Posted by DJ A.i on May-22-2003 14:02:

i dont know a single CD dj that plays 100% or even 50% bought CD's.... most DL and burn


Posted by Nell on May-22-2003 16:20:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ A.i
i dont know a single CD dj that plays 100% or even 50% bought CD's.... most DL and burn


your talkign shit there cos i do and so do most bar djs where i come from.


fuzzy, why dont you buy the 800's they like �500 instead of �800 and the only thing they dont have is the memory card option, also they have new more features. check it out!


Posted by benoitfan on May-22-2003 17:18:

I buy all my CDs.. but in most bars I see mostly burned stuff.


Posted by quddha on May-22-2003 17:24:

Hehe, No one is gonna admit that they only download mp3's and spin them at parties. They'd get so much flaming for being a leech.

I'm proud to have spent $$$ to support these artists..


Posted by TranceInMySoul on May-22-2003 17:55:

I've been a loyal subscriber to the CD Pool for years, paying to get promos on CD every month. So, I buy quite a few tracks on CD. Then, for everything else, vinyl is the only choice.

I personally would play 100% off CD if I had the time to burn all my vinyl to CD, or if I could actually get the tracks on CD in the first place.


Posted by JohnSmith on May-22-2003 18:03:

I just posted this on another forum, so it's slightly out of context, but it applies to this dicussion. it was in response to a post by a canadian producer, DJ alucard. Excellent tracks and remixes, really nice guy too. anyway, he was saying something about how it was good that a popular mp3 site got shut down, and i agreed that it was good they closed the mp3 portion, but not the other site.

quote:

Regardless of the law, i think sharing mp3s is a GOOD thing. Personally, i'd never heard of DJ alucard, and i'm glad i did. if your songs get pressed on vinyl, then i will buy them. I would NEVER burn your stuff to CDR and spin it to a crowd, unless of course, i had no other way to drop the track.

your point of "if you don't have the equipment, then don't play" is a good one. I bought the equipment, two tech 12s and a mixer, cuz i love this music. I'm a vinyl addict, i can't stop buying them, and i don't even have CD decks. However, some tracks are IMPOSSIBLE to get on vinyl. either they have never been released, or they only had 100 copies pressed and they go for thousands of dollars on ebay or whatever. Or maybe your own fresh track you just finished that afternoon, burned to CD and played that night at a rave. for these, i believe it is OK to play a burned CD.

As for your contention about the 30% of people that steal music, i'd say your probably right, in fact, it could be as low as 10% or even lower. whatever the case, i am in that percentile.

now, consider this. imagine mp3 downloading was completely eliminated (this will never happen, but just for arguments sake, imagine it)

now, that 70% of people that steal music, would be out of luck, and would have none. but those people are leechers, and wouldn't buy it anyway, they just take it cuz it's free. so the record industry loses nothing.

but, those 30% that preview, then buy, would NOT be buying any more! so, the record industry is killing their sales!

Personally, i've bought only a handfull of vinyls that i had never heard before. and most of them SUCK. So i stopped. now i preview the track. regardless of if it's in a live set, a radio mix, a full rip mp3, a crappy only-djs.com preview, i ain't buying without listening!

Who's fault is mp3? the RECORD LABELS. those slimy bastards that sit in their suits and manage talented artists like yourselves, and rake in the cash riding someone elses coattails. it's they're releases of 45 minute "albums" with one good track and eight shit ones, no liner notes whatsoever, and not even well mastered disks, that caused this. then they charge $25, with $0.70 going to packaging and production, $0.30 going to the author of the tune, and $24 going to the labels pocket. This is what caused mp3, and the rise of napster, soulseek, kazzaa, morpheus et al.

and, they will NEVER stop it now. it's like the mythical hydra, cut off one head, and the other 9 will spring forth. the mp3 distribution model is out there, in the minds of millions if not billions. they can never kill it now.

I have further thoughs on this, i will elaborate later, i am at work now.


Posted by skip on May-22-2003 18:27:

i buy all the cds i can find, well almost all, because i can't afford everything yet! i'm no dj though, yet! i have only one cdj-100s ATM, but when i'll get my gear, no matter where i spin (probably only in my bedroom) i'm going to spin just cds that i have bought of otherwise acquired, no burnt cd at all, because it's wrong!


Posted by Psylence on May-22-2003 18:56:

Hey skip, enjoy playing about 5 cds then lol!

Until labels start releasing worthwhile shit on cd, you are gonna be stuck burning your discs if you want stuff that's worth listening to.

Yeah, recording my vinyl to cd is a pain, but what else are ya gonna do?


Posted by skip on May-22-2003 19:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Psylence
Hey skip, enjoy playing about 5 cds then lol!

Until labels start releasing worthwhile shit on cd, you are gonna be stuck burning your discs if you want stuff that's worth listening to.

Yeah, recording my vinyl to cd is a pain, but what else are ya gonna do?



hey fuck you too! i have many cds, here's some


they release pretty much good stuff nowadays on cd and it's getting better all the time. i've been buying cds for a bit over a year so far, so the collection isn't that big, but it's growing constantly! i can get most tracks that i wan't on cd, legally, so your comment was pretty stupid!


Posted by FuzzyGreen on May-22-2003 20:57:

John Smith I 100% agree with you. I even posted something similar in response to John Flemming's messageboard post about stopping production due to mp3s.

If it wasn't for mp3s I wouldn't have bought most of my vinyl and cds, actually I probably would still be listening to rock (smashing pumpkins, mogwai, cure, new order, ect) on CD and never had bought my tts or gotten into trance.


Posted by DJXTC on May-22-2003 21:45:

Burn'em

I also can't see where you can get the single songs(ones that aren't mixed at stores). FOr me i burn my cd's for mixing. The only other alternative is go buy records and if you know...they can get real expensive.


Posted by Ghostface on May-23-2003 05:55:

Are you forum fishing?


I spose though these producers only slave away dedicating their life to creating we love so I agree we should steal it.


Posted by DJ Kibon on May-23-2003 23:48:

I think you'll agree that most vinyl DJs are extremely annoyed by the fact that they MUST make the investment in vinyl in order to play a track, while a CDJ (or even better, those new MP3Js) will be able to play any track that is available by download.

When I first started doing mixing on my computer, I had no choice but to download MP3s, but my mixes were primarily for my own enjoyment (thought I ended up with a bunch of people downloading my mixes and greatly liking them).

When I bought turntables in January, I knew that vinyl would be expensive. Dropping $100-$150 in a single go is common for me, and I don't exactly have tons of coin.

That said, I am finally actively supporting the music that I love through purchasing vinyl, so I feel that I'm doing my small part in the overall industry. When I eventually buy some Pioneer or other brand CDJs, it will mostly be for the purpose of getting comfortable on them, as well as mixing in the odd track that is impossible to find on vinyl (such as older tracks). I also like the archiving concept, though I'm not sure I would ever spin entirely on CDs.



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