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Posted by Ste on May-22-2003 12:28:

Sounds mike used in the new push remix.

is it me or has he really devovled his sounds, like when you hear the bassline doesnt it just sound way to basic, and the main lead too, the synth on it seems very basic too.

also some of the effects r recycled from live another life.

that coupled with the semi recycling of the legacy melody, i think mike is getting more lazy, even though he still comes out with great tunes (love angel, live another life) at the same time, i find this wierd.

i also felt this way about his back to cali remix when it came out, yet only a little while later he made tranceformation which is great!

was wondering if anyone else noticed this?

Posted by TOR on May-22-2003 12:36:

i think it all depends on the time he has available.. when he has to do a remix on a very short notice, i think it's only normal.. same goes for tiesto, for instance.. you often see him produce mediocre tracks and remixes, but then all of a sudden he comes up with a stormer.. i don't think it's because the producer's lazy, i think it has a lot to do with the deadline..

btw, you must admit it's a great track for having used rather basic sounds..

Posted by Mr.Mystery on May-22-2003 12:39:

Re: Sounds mike used in the new push remix.

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Originally posted by Dumonde Trancer
is it me or has he really devovled his sounds, like when you hear the bassline doesnt it just sound way to basic, and the main lead too, the synth on it seems very basic too.

was wondering if anyone else noticed this?

Yes, I definitely noticed the bassline. While the remix is good otherwise the bassline (that sounds like a fruityloops preset) is really horrid and completely brings the tune down...

Posted by demons on May-22-2003 12:54:

you got to remember that artists dont make any publishing or royalties from a remix on someone elses tune. its just a flat fee. why should a producer put his best sounds into a remix when he could save them for his original work. instead he may just use melodies or sounds that have defined that production name in the past and combine them with the original he's remixing. and as theres no where near as much money in remixes these days i think something like the nrc remix is great value...

Posted by chris_norris on May-22-2003 12:54:

I dont know...I know they're all rehashed sounds, and he's definitely used them before, but I actually like the track. The synth and notes of the main melody are reminiscent of The Legacy, but I dont mind that much. About the bassline - it is a bit basic I definitely agree with that, but again thats probably due to deadlines and stuff like that.

Overall Im a fan of the tune though.

Posted by kr00t0n on May-22-2003 13:02:

I've never been a Push fan, and its mainly because of his basslines, they do sound really basic and uninspiring.

Posted by Ste on May-22-2003 13:10:

Re: Re: Sounds mike used in the new push remix.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
(that sounds like a fruityloops preset) ...

yeh thats the feeling i was getting.

also

belgian bonzai & demons - even if he doesnt have much time or doesnt want t use any of his new good sounds i would of thought he would use his other bassline he has used before rather than make a new really amature sounding one

Posted by Luke Terry on May-22-2003 13:11:

tbh mike kicks + basslines have always been fairly crap imo, live another life was the first one i really liked

Posted by TOR on May-22-2003 13:26:

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Originally posted by Dumonde Trancer
even if he doesnt have much time or doesnt want t use any of his new good sounds i would of thought he would use his other bassline he has used before rather than make a new really amature sounding one

if u listen very carefully, u'll notice it is exactely the same one as in live another life and love angel, he's just used a slightly different pattern and a different kind of reverb..

Posted by Sid on May-22-2003 13:28:

Urban Shakedown owns you all

Posted by Ste on May-22-2003 14:11:

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Originally posted by tor8024
if u listen very carefully, u'll notice it is exactely the same one as in live another life and love angel, he's just used a slightly different pattern and a different kind of reverb..

the bassline?

they aint the same....

Posted by demons on May-22-2003 14:53:

Re: Re: Re: Sounds mike used in the new push remix.

quote:
Originally posted by Dumonde Trancer
yeh thats the feeling i was getting.

also

belgian bonzai & demons - even if he doesnt have much time or doesnt want t use any of his new good sounds i would of thought he would use his other bassline he has used before rather than make a new really amature sounding one

amateur is the new cool in producing, didnt you know? the more basic you can get the more genius the music is

Posted by Ste on May-22-2003 14:59:

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Originally posted by demons
amateur is the new cool in producing, didnt you know? the more basic you can get the more genius the music is

then that wud make me the best trance artist i nthe world

Posted by demons on May-22-2003 15:07:

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Originally posted by Dumonde Trancer

then that wud make me the best trance artist i nthe world

hehe...2nd only to me

Posted by Floorfiller on May-22-2003 16:26:

THANK YOU!!!!

i've always been critical of mike's work simply for this fact...i mean he has good melodies, but the sounds just aren't up to par. i think he needs to spend more time on songs or make some new sounds because that's what turned me off from most of his productions (or course i still like the big one;s aka univeral nation, strange world etc)

demons...

how about putting your best effort into a tune because you have a reputation as an artist. that would be my biggest concern not making a crap remix just because i'm not making as much...you might aswell not do the remix and keep working in the studio. i know producers don't have much time for remixes but i don't think they do a shit job on purpose because they want to keep there sounds...

Posted by zarathustra on May-22-2003 17:50:

Get him in the studio with Oliver Lieb.

Posted by Floorfiller on May-22-2003 18:04:

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Originally posted by zarathustra
Get him in the studio with Oliver Lieb.

amen to that....lieb is such a great producer...everytime i hear one of his remixes it sounds new...innovative...great stuff.

Posted by Christopher B on May-22-2003 19:43:

A lot of producers use the same sounds over and over.

Armin, PvD, Mirco de Govia, Ronski Speed, Max Graham, even BT and Sasha.

All of them are great producers, IMO, but they can't reinvent their style with every track. Deadlines are indeed a major factor in the quality of production. If you hear a remix by an excellent producer that sounds basic and formulaic, they probably didn't have enough time to decently produce it, or didn't have the desire. MIKE still uses old sounds I guess, but they still get the job done for me at least.

Posted by demons on May-22-2003 20:02:

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demons...

how about putting your best effort into a tune because you have a reputation as an artist. that would be my biggest concern not making a crap remix just because i'm not making as much...you might aswell not do the remix and keep working in the studio. i know producers don't have much time for remixes but i don't think they do a shit job on purpose because they want to keep there sounds...

err...its his living. they offer him money, he does a suitable job. sorry if he doesnt make a top 40 smash for them for a modest fee so they can make �50,000 or more from it im sure he'd rather be the one making �50,000 from his best ideas. this is his lively hood, work in the dance industry at the moment is tight and if you are offered a remix of a good tune (one you like) youre inclined to accept it. as long as its produced to a fair standard (and lets face it mikes 'fair' standard is still pretty high)then whats the problem? most of the push remixes i have heard have appealed in one way or another to a good number of people so therefore, job done! i certainly dont find them too generic...most have at least something original to offer anyway.

id rather he saved the best effort for his own original work as that comes from the heart and means a lot more than adapting someone elses idea

Posted by ExOn on May-22-2003 22:00:

MIKE is waay overrated imo.. his music is like "Hmm, yeah? And?"
Not exiting at all..

Posted by Dave_Masters on May-23-2003 10:04:

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Originally posted by Dj_ExOn
MIKE is waay overrated imo.. his music is like "Hmm, yeah? And?"
Not exiting at all..

WTF?

So if his music is like that, name some producers that arent...

IMO, MIKE and Airwave are THE best trance producers.

Posted by robstar on May-23-2003 11:25:

What tune are u all talking about?
I'd like to hear it.

Posted by TOR on May-23-2003 12:28:

quote:
Originally posted by DaveC

IMO, MIKE and Airwave are THE best trance producers.

this is what the french call "une lapalissade"

Posted by djVersus on Jun-04-2003 23:56:

I don't know what the heck you guys are talking about with his basslines.

He has one of the most unique basslines / hi hat combos among the lot of producers.

It's very atmospheric and hoovering and airy and deep with really nice bounce. Listen to it closely in your headphones or in a good sound system.

Posted by offbeatbassline on Jun-05-2003 00:51:

This debate will never be resolved. Here's why...

The people on this site who know their gear and the horizons possible in music will immediately see that Plastic Boy "Silver Bath" is very immature. Aside from a good melody, it is does not push music forward in any way.

Those who have never touched a JP-8000 and have no idea what a TR-909 looks like will obviously like "Silver Bath" because it has a melody that sounds good to the ear.

SUMMARY: These two groups of people are using TOTALLY different criteria to evaluate music. The former judge by complexity, the latter judge by emotional response. Therefore, the debate will never be resolved.

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