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So is he?

The topic I'd like to discuss has been talked about before on this board. Many of us got out of control about it, and others just gave their childish two-cents and disappeared.

I'd like to bring up the topic of whether or not we all feel Arafat could be considered a terrorist.

I'm sure most of you know my view on who this man is.
We had many in the past try and justify his actions to those of Sharon. We had many in the past say that he isn't a terrorist although his own Fatah organization (which he himself controls) overrules the Al Aksa Martyrs Brigade (which has conducted many of the homicide bombings we have seen in the past 2+ years).

Many documents have surfaced that show direct links to terror groups and terrorists. The fact that up to 200 known terrorists take refuge in his Rammalla headquarters should also be noted.

So now I ask you all once again, is Yassar Arafat (marshemo) a terrorist?
(This time without baseless claims and flames)

get over it... Arafat does what he thinks is necessary for the survival of his own people, as does Sharon.

Both are terrorists.

I know you're smart enough to know this but you love to denigrate arabs and stick to the IDF terminoligy, but deep inside you, you know you're playing the propaganda game.

Please spare us the bullshit and be honest with us and yourself.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek get over it... Arafat does what he thinks is necessary for the survival of his own people, as does Sharon. Both are terrorists. I know you're smart enough to know this but you love to denigrate arabs and stick to the IDF terminoligy, but deep inside you, you know you're playing the propaganda game. Please spare us the bullshit and be honest with us and yourself.

Once again you go and justify the actions of Arafat to those of Sharon. Arafat sends out worthless souls to go kill innocent civilians; Sharon sends men of honour to risk their lives weeding out the terrorists to make life easier and safer for a peace wanting nation. You are comparing apples and oranges, worthless animals with non-combatant humans.

Arafat does nothing for the survival of his people... he wishes that they all be recruited to be the next bomb-strapped terror monkey. He really doesn't care if the Palestinian people get their own nation or not.... this is evident in the obstacles he puts in front of Abu Mazen. He wants nothing but the annihilation of Israel. This doesn't seem to be getting through your head.

Defaming ones character is not my objective here... Arafat seems to have done a good job doing that himself. Making Arabs look like vicious animals is also not my goal here... for all the Arabs I know and have grown to love are sour on the outside, but sweet on the inside. So please don�t come bullshitting your way around here making false accusations about my motives, I�m simply trying to figure out what it would take for a person like you to process the fact that this person is nothing but a disgrace to all Arabs and Muslims around the world. This person is terror infested, and should be eliminated from the face of the earth. I don't understand how you so strongly support this person when what you have in front of you is enough evidence to have him executed 1000 times over in any normal society!

If my main objective here was to spread propaganda, it would be all too evident to others. I am here discussing such issues out of passion, respect, and honour for those who love life. For those who cherish everything good and humane. Do you think I�d be filled with such emotion if I was just pouring out propaganda? If you feel like pointing fingers, I suggest you look directly at the sources of information you read and fry your brains with. I'm sure you'll find prime examples of propaganda, incitement and hate within those pages. And yea, the BBC and the Guardian are the most dignified news agencies around.

Now since you�re the first genius who posted, I�d like to use you as an example of what I don�t want this thread to turn into. Baseless accusations directed towards me, as oppose to discussing the topic at hand. Your lot seems to be good as moving the discussions away from where it really gets you hard. When it gets tough, blame Israel (or the U.S. for that matter)!

Although nothing you have ever said on these boards I could agree with, I'd like to know why you would consider Arafat a terrorist given all the evidence against him. Once again, bullshit replies are not wanted! If you have a brain somewhere in that head of yours, I�d be more than happy to hear from it.

mike habibi do you ever post anywhere else on this forum?
on top of all you always post about the same subject, why don't you find another one for a change

Mike, for God's sake listen.....
You post threads like this (which is completely fine, altho toooooo overdone). You ask a question i.e. is Arafat a terrorist. You ask for replies. When you get a reply that doesn't suit you, you get upset and automatically accuse the person that responded that he/she flamed you. Guess what Mike, life isn't fair. You come here and post on these forums, YOU ARE GOING TO GET ANSWERS THAT YOU DON'T LIKE. It's called diplomacy, Mike. It's called being able to justly and validly present a statement, defending it, but also being able to sustain and FAIRLY rebute a rebuttal.
Mike, please continue to post in this forum. PLease continue to supply us with "vivid" threads, but DO NOT get all psycho just because someone disagrees with you. It's just immature and UNWANTED.

Thanks,
DR86

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Originally posted by ZinG mike habibi do you ever post anywhere else on this forum? on top of all you always post about the same subject, why don't you find another one for a change

My account activity is none of your concern... you and every other hater should have started registering this by now.

I post about what I hold dear and true to me... I post about the assholes that deserve to rot (Arafat, Hamas, PLO, and every other bastard who wants Jew's dead). I post about Israel. A country just 55 years young and has done more to advance technologies and societies than any of its neighbours (who's countries have existed far longer).

By me posting about this topic shows you all the determination and the will that I and every Jew has. I won�t take your bullshit because that�s exactly what it is... bullshit. I know the truth of the matter; I know what�s right and what�s wrong. No matter how strong you may feel your nations are, I will always and forever stand up to your anti-Semitic ideologies, your deep rooted incitement-filled-hate for Israelis and westerners.

Unless I�m banned... trust me you'll be seeing a lot more criticism of the Terror groups, the nations that support them and the whole lot who march in rally of them.

To the Muslim Brethren: Just because they are Muslim, doesn't make them right. Just like I believe with my own Jewish brethren. I understand the bond you may feel to them; I understand that it's family, and the strong urge to stand by them�no matter what. But there comes a time when you must step back and say... Whoa -- my family is fucked up! And a clear indication of that is when they start blowing their bloody hate infested organs left, right, and centre. We all see how this �helps� your �cause�.

Looks like Aria has a nice line-up for the summer.

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Originally posted by melech_mike Once again you go and justify the actions of Arafat to those of Sharon. Arafat sends out worthless souls to go kill innocent civilians; Sharon sends men of honour to risk their lives weeding out the terrorists to make life easier and safer for a peace wanting nation. You are comparing apples and oranges, worthless animals with non-combatant humans.

that is exactly the IDF terminology...

terrorists as you call them, are seen by their people as brave and courageous for fighting with so little...

while, your brave soldiers are seen as cowards for attacking defenceless civilians bulldozering their homes, ruining their crops, imposing ghetto like conditions on villages and cities with one of the most powerful army in the world...

its only a matter of perspective my friend...

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Arafat does nothing for the survival of his people... he wishes that they all be recruited to be the next bomb-strapped terror monkey. He really doesn't care if the Palestinian people get their own nation or not.... this is evident in the obstacles he puts in front of Abu Mazen. He wants nothing but the annihilation of Israel. This doesn't seem to be getting through your head.

note the use of the term monkey to desribe palestinians/arabs, you seem to classify them as your army and govt does as being sub-humans... that sounds like the apartheid and your beloved friend Hitler

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Defaming ones character is not my objective here... Arafat seems to have done a good job doing that himself. Making Arabs look like vicious animals is also not my goal here... for all the Arabs I know and have grown to love are sour on the outside, but sweet on the inside. So please don�t come bullshitting your way around here making false accusations about my motives, I�m simply trying to figure out what it would take for a person like you to process the fact that this person is nothing but a disgrace to all Arabs and Muslims around the world. This person is terror infested, and should be eliminated from the face of the earth. I don't understand how you so strongly support this person when what you have in front of you is enough evidence to have him executed 1000 times over in any normal society!

again "animals".......

Arafat is a disgrace for the Arabs and Muslims for not being stronger and giving less concessions, that what Arabs are saying... terrorism isn't a case, they call it resistance, you forgot that?

I don't support him and I don't support your country, I wish we could go back 55 years in history, and create Israel somewhere in Africa or South America as it was first planned... not in Palestine where people live.

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If my main objective here was to spread propaganda, it would be all too evident to others.

you ARE evident...

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I am here discussing such issues out of passion, respect, and honour for those who love life. For those who cherish everything good and humane. Do you think I�d be filled with such emotion if I was just pouring out propaganda? If you feel like pointing fingers, I suggest you look directly at the sources of information you read and fry your brains with. I'm sure you'll find prime examples of propaganda, incitement and hate within those pages. And yea, the BBC and the Guardian are the most dignified news agencies around.

Are you implying that I don't cherich life and respect others? For those who have met me from this forum (yes Jews too), they know how I am and how I'm a fun loving guy... check the other forum sections where I DO post and you'll see by yourself. The only times where I get irritated is when I see your propaganda BS here, and yes my sour side surfaces like you nicely try to describe ALL arabs

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Now since you�re the first genius who posted, I�d like to use you as an example of what I don�t want this thread to turn into. Baseless accusations directed towards me, as oppose to discussing the topic at hand. Your lot seems to be good as moving the discussions away from where it really gets you hard. When it gets tough, blame Israel (or the U.S. for that matter)!

let me tell you something, you take a subject and point it directly toward a specific layer tainted with your opinion then you want to be sure people would answer in a manner that you would like... well guess what, some people here still have their brains and don't want to play your game.

if you want real discussion, you should start a thread saying for example: "what do you guys think of the new developments involving the Israelis and Palestinians..."

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Although nothing you have ever said on these boards I could agree with, I'd like to know why you would consider Arafat a terrorist given all the evidence against him. Once again, bullshit replies are not wanted! If you have a brain somewhere in that head of yours, I�d be more than happy to hear from it.

I DO consider him a terrorists (in your definition) but you have to accept that Sharon shall be called the same because the same definition applies to him.

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Originally posted by melech_mike Looks like Aria has a nice line-up for the summer.

Ya why don't u pay us a visit mike, maybe you'll change your mind about being haters and all

so controversial it's not funny...

i've never ever seen melech_mike's other threads, nor do i want to go back on them...

but in the end there's a line in movie that makes much sense of the matter of 'terrorists'...

"one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"

everything is relative, and in terms of countless dead (israeli and palestinian) the other will always be terrorist.

sharon is a terrorist to palestinians and arafat is a terrorist to israelis.

BTW, men of honour is a load of crap! just because you are IDF and legitimately take part in a 'reprisal' against terrorists doesn't make you any more (or less for that matter) a terrorists in a palestinians eyes!

Re: So is he?

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Originally posted by melech_mike The topic I'd like to discuss has been talked about before on this board. Many of us got out of control about it, and others just gave their childish two-cents and disappeared. I'd like to bring up the topic of whether or not we all feel Arafat could be considered a terrorist. I'm sure most of you know my view on who this man is. We had many in the past try and justify his actions to those of Sharon. We had many in the past say that he isn't a terrorist although his own Fatah organization (which he himself controls) overrules the Al Aksa Martyrs Brigade (which has conducted many of the homicide bombings we have seen in the past 2+ years). Many documents have surfaced that show direct links to terror groups and terrorists. The fact that up to 200 known terrorists take refuge in his Rammalla headquarters should also be noted. So now I ask you all once again, is Yassar Arafat (marshemo) a terrorist? (This time without baseless claims and flames)

No one cares. he's old news right now. there are far more important things happening than Arafat. This is another blatant attempt to show jewdism in a positive way and islam in a negative way.

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Originally posted by ZinG Ya why don't u pay us a visit mike, maybe you'll change your mind about being haters and all

LOL!!! oh my god. thats just priceless.

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Originally posted by melech_mike To the Muslim Brethren: Just because they are Muslim, doesn't make them right.

Yah, and just cause you're jewish don't make you right either so shut the fuck up. and judging by your account, I dont think its ever seen anything else other than this forum.

IT is people like mike.. and im sure there are alot of them in Israel, that will still give palestinians bullshit even when their nation is formed, if it is formed, in the year 2005.

Give it up mike.... the PALESTINIANS ARE NEVER LEAVING....AND THE JEWS ARE NEVER LEAVING.... so they have to figure something out.

P.S you say that Israel has acomplished so much... do you think those things would be still accomplished if there was not the world largest power there to aid you governmnent?

P.P.S I cant wait till the day when PALESTINE is formed.... that will be a very joyous event.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King P.P.S I cant wait till the day when PALESTINE is formed.... that will be a very joyous event.

Do you have a figure of how many Jew's you plan to assault that night?

nothing is going to change

arafat and sharon are both not helping the peace process. Suicide bombers kill people then the army goes after ppl and more innocent lives are gone. My question is how many innocent lives must be lost before somebody wakes up and decides to make peace.

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Originally posted by torontotrance nothing is going to change arafat and sharon are both not helping the peace process. Suicide bombers kill people then the army goes after ppl and more innocent lives are gone. My question is how many innocent lives must be lost before somebody wakes up and decides to make peace.

Arafat is not a factor in peace anymore... the only impact he could have on what happends is how much more terror he'll conduct from his rammalla headquarters.

look stop promoting this pro isreali and anti palestinian crap. It takes 2 sides to wage a war and it continues and both sides are to blame (not one more than the other). They continue this war which innocent lives from both sides are lost. Sharon needs to wake the fuck up (so do the isrealis) and the palestianians need to wake the fuck up....we need peace. They need to put aside their differences and work a fucking solution out. How many more ppl will be killed by both sides until this madness is stopped.

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Originally posted by melech_mike Do you have a figure of how many Jew's you plan to assault that night?

I dont understand what you're implying.. but if you are saying that i will attack jews when palestine is formed.... i think you need psychological help.

we need peace

plain and simple.

Andy can i kick your ass now?

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Originally posted by Cyrus King I dont understand what you're implying.. but if you are saying that i will attack jews when palestine is formed.... i think you need psychological help.

Classic. Indeed there will be street parties the world over that night, and an inspiration to oppressed peoples all over the planet to resist oppression and imperialist occupation, to fight for what is just and expose the occupation "armies" (Brit, Irsaeli, etc.) for the terrorists they really are.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King I dont understand what you're implying.. but if you are saying that i will attack jews when palestine is formed.... i think you need psychological help.

yes, indeed. you (mike) do need pschological help!
I know a psychologist who charges $10/hr. Although he's a self-proclaimed psychologist...hence he dropped out of high school and all...but the guy needs some help.....so help the brotha make some dough...in return he will take care of your problems...by hitting you upside your head to bring some sense into you

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Originally posted by biodigit yes, indeed. you (mike) do need pschological help! I know a psychologist who charges $10/hr. Although he's a self-proclaimed psychologist...hence he dropped out of high school and all...but the guy needs some help.....so help the brotha make some dough...in return he will take care of your problems...by hitting you upside your head to bring some sense into you

Thanks for that informative post, have a cookie!!
That was pointless and stupid. I feel like my IQ dropped after I read that, thanks!

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Originally posted by melech_mike My account activity is none of your concern... you and every other hater should have started registering this by now. I post about what I hold dear and true to me... I post about the assholes that deserve to rot (Arafat, Hamas, PLO, and every other bastard who wants Jew's dead). I post about Israel. A country just 55 years young and has done more to advance technologies and societies than any of its neighbours (who's countries have existed far longer).

Not true. Ever heard of algebra????

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Andy can i kick your ass now?

you baseless little pos

the region needs peace

plain and simple

hell people can argue forever about this, the damn hate goes forever but how many MORE INNOCENT PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES WILL LOSE THEIR LIVES FOR THIS!

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