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What makes cheese?
In your opinions..what makes a track cheesy?
for me...
Gay vocals
Overthetop sweetness
No/little Bassline
Shit Beats
and you guys?
Re: What makes cheese?
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| Originally posted by JulesPLees What Makes Cheese? |
mooooo
Re: Re: What makes cheese?
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| Originally posted by Hybrid Junkie A cow, mooooo |
Good intelligent answers...thats what I like to see
For me it's two things, the vocals and the same old shitty dance beat that can be thrown over anything these days. Current example the version of moonlight shadow doing the rounds.
The vocals make a track cheesy. If they are too high in pitch like someone is screaming into a microphone etc. Soft, smooth vocals are awsome when done correctly. Heaps of very nice vocal tracks coming out soon- eg. Orange 3- In your eyes, As the rush comes, Beautiful things etc.
Vocals can make or break an otherwise good trance track., A good example is the 4 strings tracks diving and take me away. They were top trance tracks, but now with the vocals thrown in, there all of a sudden cheesy as hell.
i dont think ive heard a song with no bassline?
interesting..
this whole thing about cheese shits me now.. one mans trash is another mans treasure.. ill just like what i do and not complain.
nah, pitch on vocals has nothing to do with it.
flip and fill have actaully openly said they make shit, and they dont care, cos its gets $$s.
cheese is normally stuff made to sell, instead of being a showcase of the producers talents.
also ive noticed that, in general, girls like to sing along to songs, and dont care how it sounds, as long as they can sing along, guys, in general, prefer the big bass etc.
so, throwing down a doof doof doof doof beat under some 80s song generally suffices as a "new trance chart topper" and is lapped up, because the girls can sing along, and the guys can show off thier stereos.
a lot of good producers make cheese just to get in the $$s as well, classic example = ferry corsten.
hmm, there is a fine line though between cheese and quailty though sometimes, and its really up to you whether you think its a good track, or you've just been sucked in by a catchy vocal or deep bass line.
well thats my thoughts anyway.
in my honest opinion, i think cheese is determined more by the listener than the actual music.
like dave said, one person's perspective of cheese does not necessarily constitute the same for another.
once again if i can be frank, i hate the word cheese and all it's connotations. it creates an unnecessary segregation amongst music lovers and often (not always) it leads to these 'genre or sub-genre wars" that are so prevalent in music discussion forums (ie. itm).
i also hate it when a particular artist/dj is pigeon-holed as one of these cheese-dicks and their whole musical persona is based on this imaginary word.
if i like it - i like it, if i don't - i don't, no labels necessary...
but that's just me.
it deserves to be called cheese though.
its given trance such a bad name.
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| Originally posted by gumble it deserves to be called cheese though. its given trance such a bad name. |
Cheesy track is a track that's made to please as many people as possible, made to follow the trends of the day.
GGGRRRR and i class cheese as female vocals always singing about love or some pathetic bullshit.... there are always exceptions to this tho...
but most ppl know im not a fan of vocals
*cough* We come one *cough* <<--- GGGRRR 
However, i dont like when a song gets some air-play on the radio, thats when it get's called cheese.
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| Originally posted by MichaelDudikoff how so? |
imo cheese is really just overcommercialised music with a target audience of young girls/guys who know only of "techno" music and not of all the other genres that come under what i call electronic music. Good examples are things like remixes of Kylie Minogues Cant get you out of my head put over New Order's Blue Monday. Cheese in my opinion is really just popular songs put over a danceable beat or electronic that has been commercialised far too much by record companies (can anyone say Darude's old days?)
simply put - cheese is the sort of shit that you will hear on fox, mmm, and nova - overplayed overcommercialised crap that people think is new
Lol I had a rude awakening 2 days ago when my alarm (radio) came on.
Nova announcer: okay maurine well I'm gonna play an awesome new track that has just hit #1 in the uk and all over europe's dance charts, and I want you to shake and have a dance to this great new track called "Tomcraft - Loneliness"
I almost coughed to death.
Wtf!
I mean it's kinda cheesey...Sure the vocals are so/so, but I've always quite enjoyed it. Puts a smile on my face.
....but I'd stay away from playing it in clubs now definately UNLESS it's a commercial club.
But god, can't wait to cruise past the glenferrie and see the drunken jocks singing karaoke.
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| Originally posted by Hybrid Junkie But god, can't wait to cruise past the glenferrie and see the drunken jocks singing karaoke. |
nice thread.
as dave n dudikoff have pointed out, definition of cheese is pretty subjective. a techno or hardstyle listener, would classify our uplifting trance cheesy, while a listener to the uplifting stuff, would classify the same for euro trance [which i don't think anybody doubts].
personally, for me, the greatest factor which influences how fluffy or cheesy a tune is, are the the way the synths are used. in terms of the sound, and the melody in which they're encapsulated. both determine the depth of the tune, whether it was created for the sake of "catchy-ness" or with a greater meaning. followed by that are the vocals of the tune.
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| Originally posted by -=M=- simply put - cheese is the sort of shit that you will hear on fox, mmm, and nova - overplayed overcommercialised crap that people think is new |
Naw Saltwater definatley aint cheese....
...but then what would I know..I think the AvB remix of Solarstone is a little corny
It's all a matter of interpretation and personal taste....there are tracks that I would have considered cheesey but you would consider absolute gems.....it's what you've been exposed to more or less that decides this for you.
For me it is in the melody, use of the synths, and if there are vocals I prefer them to be female and appealing (as in deep and sexy, not high pitched and squealy). Again, it's just what 'you' like and if you are a DJ you need to cater for everyone even if someone (or a group of people) in the crowd thinks it's cheese.
Chris
anything by these so called producers
Scooter,
Scot project,
Arome,
das licht,
basically ALL hard 'trance.' Dunno why its called hard trance in the first place.
Fragma,
Ian Van Dahl,
Milk inc,
Dumonde(anything released [production/remixes] after never look back),
ATB,
Darude,
Alice Deejay,
DJ Sammy,
J & R Project,
DJ Quicksilver,
Talla 2xlc,
Alligator,
Cosmic Gate,
Novaspace,
Aqua,
Eiffel 65,
Sylver,
Greencourt.
and a track like Southside Spinners - Luvstruck
Anything played on Nova Sydney on Saturdays before 12:00am any hi-nrg
xavier my man, we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. if it wasn't for your god-given talents i would not be so lenient.
c'mon dude ALL hard trance, thats a bit much!!!
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like it has been pointed out... one man's trash is another's treasure... labelling tracks as cheese is almost as bad as saying all prog tunes are the same...
Just because an artist seems to follow the same formula, it doesn't make it cheese. Why are ppl like Armin, Tiesto, PVD, etc allowed to have their own sound and stick to it, but the moment someone else does it, it's labelled cheese?
As for Southside Spinners - Luvstruck. Hmmm... This is one of the tracks which i fell in love with the first time I heard it, and I still love it?
There's a fine line there... Just because a song is popular, it shouldn't make it cheese. For instance, I don't believe Iio - Rapture is cheese at all, but it's VERY popular nonetheless...
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| Originally posted by Xavier anything by these so called producers Scot project, Arome, Dumonde, basically ALL hard 'trance.' Dunno why its called hard trance in the first place. |
Cheese is cheese. Mostly everyone knows that its cheese. But some dont like to profess that they like cheese, so they claim it isnt, while others think that they are cheese connoisseurs, and in this arrogance, feel the need to claim everything that isnt up to their 'HIGH' standards is in fact cheese (when it probably isnt)...I hope this makes things clearer for you Mr Plees
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