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i just bought a cd, actaully the new placebo album, and anyway, it has "Copy Control Technology"
this basically means, i cant play it in my pc as cd audio, it opens up its own shitty little player and plays 48kbps mp3s (or some compression form @ 48 kbps)
it plays fine in normal cd players.
anyway, since i OWN this cd, i am therefore allowed to make copies of it for my own personal use, and i do this with all my cds, so i can just play the mp3s and leave the cds on the shelf.
SO
i was wondering, anyone found a utility of know a way of copying the cd audio tracks of the cd, as this isn't illegal as long as i dont distribute them.
thanks 
I think Phillips make a home stereo that has a normal CD player and a burner 
Specifically designed to copy audio CDs!
Failing that, try using a program like CloneCD or Alcohol 110% to rip the audio directly off the CD itself...
this would suck, but you could download the cd from the net if there was no way to get it on the computer. Could you play it in a stereo which had a line out? and run that through your computer?
*Shit below is my opinion about copyright, mp3s, DRM, read if you want.*
I think that labels copy protecting cds by not allowing them to be played on the PCs is poor. Its going to stop your average joe listener from copying the stuff, thats it. Release groups end up with promos/advances which usually dont have any of this sort of protection. The people who make mass copies of cds end up just pressing the cd using the bought one as a master, i dont specifically know but i doubt they would rip it to a computer and then burn from that. Even if they did, see my point about release groups.
If i bought a cd then that cd is mine to play where i want. I may not own the songs on the cd, but i do own that cd. Companies efforts to stop piracy do nothing, and until MS introduces Palladium (a digital rights management os, bad news, probably wont ever see light though) and gets hardware vendors on side then mp3s will be unstoppable. Even then a new format would come about, either that or a black market for normal computer parts and software.
Actually... no.. u are not allowed to make a BACKUP copy of an AUDIO cd that you bought... those are the rules of copyright.. you are aloowed to copy software, like windows 2000 cd or whatever.
Suck? no not really.. you have the original... = quality!!!
If you want to rip it to share on the net...
/slaps hand... "naughty gumble!!!"
LOL...
No backup copies of Audio CD's allowed.. period..
bassaholix... read my post again, hahah, i have no intention of sharing it with anyone, i just want to do it for convenience, and im allowed to do that, cept, THE MAN WON'T LET ME!
fight the power!
stick it to the man!
oh, and don't put a label on me!
at this stage, im just going to run it through a normal cd player record the whole thing in sound forge, and use the proper track times to cut up the file, thats as good as i can do.
The companies have spent heaps on this new 'technology' but a simple texta shits on their face. Basically, an audio CD reads from the inside of the disc, to the outside. Data CDs, read from the outside in. Seeing cdrom drives are in computers, they expect data cds therefore the laser goes straight to the outside of the CD and reads. These new copy control cds have put a bit of data on the rim of the CD, so when u throw in it ur drive, it thinks its data - you followin? So pull out a black marker (go a whiteboard marker before a permanant) and draw a thin (thin thin) line round the outside of the cd - yes over the silver part, not the picture. Chuck it in ur computer and hopefully it'll work 
Its how the l337 hax0rs are ripping all the copy control discs.
"don't try this at home kids"
hahha, mmm, ok i might try this, cos i heard this ages ago, but not where to mark the cd, so its on the outside, yup that all makes sense.
you done this yourself pointy? :P
yep i've also heard of this texta beating million dollar technology before as well. never tried it out personally however... never had to. yes i'm one of those mofos who havn't bought a cd in 5 yrs
AHA! now it all makes sense
I was ripping hepas of cds today for the catalogue at the radio station i help out at. Was ripping heaps of stuff, then when i put in the sound of goodbye and yet another day, this fucking little player pops up. Closed that down but the tracks wouldn't register. How fucking stupid.
what radio station ghostface???
i lived in that shithole for most of my life as well :P
well, north of the state, but a year or so in hobart
well hmm, non-permanent does fuck all, im off to find more pens!
Edge Radio. It's basically the University radio station (is run from the hobart campus). Only got the permanent license in January but is going pretty well.
hahahah
well i put too much texta on that time, and then i realised it was permanent. lucky i have a bottle of vodka next to me!!
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| Originally posted by bassaholix Actually... no.. u are not allowed to make a BACKUP copy of an AUDIO cd that you bought... those are the rules of copyright.. you are aloowed to copy software, like windows 2000 cd or whatever. No backup copies of Audio CD's allowed.. period.. |
ok, this texta thing IS working!
ive got first 4 tracks so far, but its a lot of trial and error, and being neat
SO the texta does work?
i dont have a stereo atm and cant listen to my LEGALLY bought b & j album. Really pisses me off, as i bought it fair and square, and cant listen to it...
im off to do the texta thing too 
new Radiohead Cd has the protection as well, and just on a side note - Hail To The Thief FUCKIN ROCKS!!!!!!
Radiohead have created another amazing album, good work boys!!!
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| Originally posted by gumble ok, this texta thing IS working! ive got first 4 tracks so far, but its a lot of trial and error, and being neat |
I don't condone copying CDs for any illegal purpose 
THE tool for this job is Exact Audio Copy
I've been able to rip quite a few copy protected CDs and burn them out as something useable in a CDJ-1000/PC/etc
Make sure you go into advanced mode, and enable "Secure Copy" and "Secure Gap Detection".
On some Cactus-100 or Cactus-200 protected discs you may need to use "Detect TOC manually" to find the actual tracks.
What follows is a bit of a technical explaination of how Cactus Datashield works.
Basically, a normal (stamped) audio CD has only one TOC (Table Of Contents), showing the player where all the tracks are.
However, there's also multi-session discs. What they do is have multiple TOCs, with the last always being considered the "proper" one.
MOST consumer grade CD players will only read the first TOC if the following TOCs are corrupted. Cactus plays on this fact. They put a valid TOC in first, and an invalid one (that points tracks to the "null" area). The normal audio players will use the first, PCs the second.
They also put a "null" area on some discs (the band you can see near the outer disc). This area is full of specially corrupted sub-data. This sub-data is normally used as a "ecc-parity". If you scratch a normal disc, the player can figure out what /should/ have been in this area using the sub-data.
Normal players won't have a problem because the "normal" TOC doesn't point into the null area. The corrupted TOC however does.
This TOC can also contain "bad" data, pointing to areas outside the physical disc, tracks that end before they start and other nasties.
Of course, none of this is a real challenge to get around, and in fact, software for doing so has been around longer than the protection itself, to-whit, cd-paranoia under *nix
Some of what I said above may be a bit confused. That's what 4am calls about tricky DNS problems does to my cognitive abilities
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| Originally posted by -=M=- errrrrrm..... you really gotta learn that it isnt in fact the copyright that you are buying when you buy a cd, it is in fact a licence of that product... what people talk about in terms of "backup cds" is in actual fact... uhhh.... backup cds - meaning that if you buy a copy of microsoft office 2000, you legally own one licence of that product - meaning only one computer is allowed to have the software installed at one time. thats pretty well the whole reason why people call them backup cds, because you can just keep a copy in case the original gets trashed, lost, whatever, you can give the software to friends, just as long as you dont continue using it for yourself i did a loooottta research into this on a gaming forum, if you have any questions, just pm me |
WARNING: I am probably talking out that big thing I sit on.
I was led to believe at some point in the past that case law had held that transfer of music from one media to another was legal IF THE ORIGINAL MEDIA WAS UNUSABLE by the person who bought it.
The cavet emptor to that may well be that the ruling was made about analog media, so held that the quality loss made the likelyhood of piracy low.
Do take what I just said the a ton or so of salt, as I said, I probably do not know what I'm saying here. I certainly haven't privately done the research to back up those statements
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| Originally posted by -=M=- errrrrrm..... you really gotta learn that it isnt in fact the copyright that you are buying when you buy a cd, it is in fact a licence of that product... what people talk about in terms of "backup cds" is in actual fact... uhhh.... backup cds - meaning that if you buy a copy of microsoft office 2000, you legally own one licence of that product - meaning only one computer is allowed to have the software installed at one time. thats pretty well the whole reason why people call them backup cds, because you can just keep a copy in case the original gets trashed, lost, whatever, you can give the software to friends, just as long as you dont continue using it for yourself i did a loooottta research into this on a gaming forum, if you have any questions, just pm me |
ok, well i don't care much for legalities or whatever.
fuck it, im copying this cd.
anyway, ive heard that its all done in complete disredard for some FAIR USE POLICY in some random countries set in some random year.
the point is i want to listen to this cd, i dont actaully have a cd player other than my discman, so im copying it onto my comp.
im gonna try what bragi suggested, texta thing got me first 4 tracks.
Copy Control Technology has no PLUR!
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