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Posted by weymouth on Jun-19-2003 04:24:

How do big name remixers remix?

Hey everyone. I have tried to make my own remixes using just my TT's and the knobs but they still sound a lot like the same song. Do the big remix people use a computer and music equipment(synths and drums) to remix or do they actually use the turntables?

Weymouth


Posted by CarlosM on Jun-19-2003 04:42:

yeah, u can make a song sounds a little different with the TTs,just mixing two tracks but if u want to make a real REMIX of a track u need an studio or production programs so u can build ur own track.


Posted by Tony Morello on Jun-19-2003 07:46:

often when people are asked to do a remix they're given a DAT or something similar which has all the different elements of the track which can be isolated
this way they can just swap the basslines or do a major overhaul


Posted by Jakhira on Jun-19-2003 10:43:

The easiest way to do a remix is get a midi file of the melody or whatever, that's how we do it anyway


Posted by Tiger777 on Jun-19-2003 11:09:

Yup, when you want to remix a song, you need to have the keys of that song. The midi file contains those keys. You have to put them in a synthesiser or in a program.


Posted by RobertRollie on Jun-19-2003 18:17:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ_Shockwav
often when people are asked to do a remix they're given a DAT or something similar which has all the different elements of the track which can be isolated
this way they can just swap the basslines or do a major overhaul


MOst remixes are paid work from the record labels who want to put a big name on a track they think will sell by a producer no one knows :P Or at any rate, when a record company asks someone to do a remix they give them the original samples and sequence list for the song.

If youre trying to remix just by ripping the samples with a computer or something youre in for a rough ride. If youre serious about it contact the record company and ask them if you can do one.


Posted by Dj Thy on Jun-19-2003 18:53:

You have two aspects : djing and producing.

When you dj, you spin already produced tracks.

When you produce, you make your own tracks out of separate elements.

Remixing is to be placed under producing. As you get several elements and you make your own tune (a remix is nothing else than a composition that can stand on its own, but that is based on an existing composition).
You can get a midi file, but you can start over from scratch also (that's done a lot also you know, even more than starting from midified tunes imo). For a tune to be called a remix it has to have elements from an existing tune. That can be (part of) melody, samples, progression, ...
Some remixes are so "original" that you have a hard time finding out it's based on another tune...

PS : the opposite is true also, some so called "original" tunes are so unoriginal you'd think they are a remix of something else.

What you are doing with the TT's and EQ's is merely altering the sound of an existing tune, not remixing...


Posted by weymouth on Jun-19-2003 19:17:

creating tracks

Now are their producers that create tracks just using their computer and maybe a synthesizer? Are these of as good of quality as high end produced songs that use tons of equipment? I have noticed that some TAs have created their own songs, do most use just a computer program? An example of a good solid program?

Thanks for anything answered,
Weymouth


Posted by Martin McG on Jun-19-2003 19:46:

most people on here use Reason or Fruityloops

i myself use fruity!


Posted by Dj Thy on Jun-19-2003 20:22:

Owning a huge amount of equipment doesn't guarantee you good songs. In some occasions it's even the opposite. It's the way you use your equipment that results in a good or bad tune.


Generally people that own lots and lots of equipment don't know how to use half of them at their full extent. When you're working with limited stuff, you'll be much more prone to push your gear to the maximum of their abilities.


Posted by ChavezHype on Jun-19-2003 20:38:

so you're suggesting mainly computer then?
I know that generally you can have a whole studio from computer programs synthesized right on your screen. Then why do so many producers have full studios with all their grooveboxes, euromixers, synthesizers... etc.? I guess it takes many years to learn it all.
BTW, how hard is it generally to produce tracks? I know there's a huge difference on whether the track being good or not, but genereally is it difficult?


Posted by JohnSmith on Jun-19-2003 22:53:

it's not that hard. get fruity loops, you can throw together a track in a few minutes. it won't be good or anything, but it's easy enough.


Posted by IntegraR0064 on Jun-20-2003 07:08:

Very rarely...and I mean very rarely..you find a track with acapella's on the single. Or parts with words and very little to no music behind them. With those, you could find another song without words or whatever(or make a song on the computer and feed it into one channel on the mixer) and then mix them and that could be called a remix.

But that's only vocal songs.

There's also weird stuff you can do...with two of the same record for example. But you can't do anything really major, and if you do it it would be using another song. It'd be really hard to do enough to a track to have it be as different that the professional remixes are. professional remixes are done in the studio or on a computer.


Posted by RobertRollie on Jun-20-2003 11:42:

MOst people these days, including big name remixers, use a computer to do it. I would guess that this is largely due to the fact that alot of tracks being remixed are doen by unknown producers, and as i said before, the record label wants to put a name on it.

'Back in the day' people did all their producing with dedicated equipment like samplers, seqencers and a keyboard, or units like the Roland TD-303. There are some purists out there that still prefer to do things this way (notably fatboy slim), but theyre a dying breed.


Posted by Dj Thy on Jun-20-2003 18:39:

Hardware is still used massively. The difference lies mainly in the sequencer. Before it was mainly dedicated hardware, now with computers sequencing gets more versatile.

But that doesn't mean that everything is done with computers. Very few pro studios/producers use an all software package nowadays. Most of the time it's a main computer for sequencing and recording, but the actual sound generators are still hardware (and sometimes some softsynths/samplers are added).
Much is still done with hardware synths, samplers and a keyboard, it's just the thing that controls all that is replaced by a computer.

Why not all software? Software sound generators have only gotten public attention the last couple of years because computers are getting powerful enough. Don't forget a synth like the Virus C, to name one of the most famous, is stuffed with dedicated DSP's that are only doing what they are designed for.
A computer has several more levels : it has to control more peripherals, keep the OS running at all time, ...

If you have to make a very complicated sound, a hardware synth will do it without a hassle. If you do it with a computer, you'll bring it to its knees pretty quick.



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