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Posted by Eugene on Jun-21-2003 14:29:

CD samples - not "plug'n'play" ?

I just got a commercial Trance sample CD, with thousands of pro basses, drums, etc.

My question is, the bass WAVs are 3-4 sec. long, some of them with different fx, and they can't be readily plugged into my track as short clips, so do I have to shorten and change them myself? Is it standard for sample CDs to include "unpolished" sounds like that?

I guess my problem is there's no easy automatic way to plug them in in Fruity, so I'd have to go to a wav editor like Wavelab to do that.

Posted by DJMikeyP on Jun-21-2003 20:25:

Sometimes they just suck ass. I've heard a few where it was nothing but chords, FX, etc - never a clean one which I really wanted.

Have you tried just giving the wav a release envelope, so the delay or whatever isn't so easily heard chopping out?

Posted by NicklessGuy on Jun-22-2003 02:38:

No, no
As DJMikeyP mentioned, the secret is on the envelope.
U must create an vol envelope for the sample. try zero attack, hold and decay, maximum sustain, and decide on a release value yourself to match your needs.
So the wav will only play for the lenght of the bar u write on the piano rool.
If its a really pro cd, it may even hav loop points on the samples, so u can make them sound infinite (turn loop points on, in the sampler settings).

U may also need to do a filter cut envelope so it sounds really like the sample ended, not just cut down at the middle.

The best samples are these ones that came in a way u can modify them as you need, not that ones comin with given lenghts and everything already done (and unchangable)

Posted by Eugene on Aug-01-2003 20:24:

quote:
Originally posted by NicklessGuy
No, no
As DJMikeyP mentioned, the secret is on the envelope.
U must create an vol envelope for the sample. try zero attack, hold and decay, maximum sustain, and decide on a release value yourself to match your needs.
So the wav will only play for the lenght of the bar u write on the piano rool.
If its a really pro cd, it may even hav loop points on the samples, so u can make them sound infinite (turn loop points on, in the sampler settings).

I'm sorry but I don't understand.
Let me give you an illustration.

I have a 0:05 bass WAV sample (which is obviously too long for normal offbeat bass) and I'm trying to use it like you said. I opened the Envelope panel and tweaked all the knobs like crazy, without knowing what the hell I was doing.

Something changed but certainly not what I wanted.

Here is the illustration.

help ? thanks

Posted by J.L. on Aug-01-2003 21:49:

try using a wav editing software such as cool edit or soundforge and shortening the length of the sample by half by compressing the length of it by a factor of 2... (note: not compression as in mastering)

Posted by DJ-Fuq on Aug-02-2003 00:37:

u have the volume attack set to 1 step on that bass sample so its gonna take 1 16th of a bar to get to full volume from 0. Set it to 0

Posted by DJ-Fuq on Aug-02-2003 00:51:

set the delay to 0 too

Posted by Eugene on Aug-02-2003 01:06:

OK but then it will just play from the beginning which is too long

I need to cut it -- I can either cut it from the front, or from the back. Right now I'm trying to do it from the "front" by doing volume attack as you can see but even that is not enough,

Posted by iLLicit on Aug-02-2003 17:37:

Maybe you should post a sample of the bass, so we can all try to twiggle it to our needs?

Posted by DJMikeyP on Aug-02-2003 22:38:

Dude do the attack to 0, delay to 0, then put the hold to maximum.... All that has to do with the note starting and lasting according to your piano roll...

Now to make it decay properly at the end, you can either :

1. Put decay to 0, sustain to full, and then fuck with the release knob - this will determine how fast it fades after your piano roll ends. Apply this same envelope to the CUT as well as the volume, maybe adding a little resonance (the permanent resonance at the bottom). You'll also probably need to adjust the release tension (by clicking TNS so the lines turn purple), as i HATE how it is now. Make sure to go back to TIME (red lines) afterwards.

2. You can also just put sustain/release to 0, and just mess with decay. This is about the same thing

3. You can make it so the decay goes down a little, then the release lingers somewhere near the bottom for a little longer. This is advanced and not something I always use - it makes the bass cut when your note ends, but kind of bleed lightly into the next note still.

Once you get this how you like it, make the bass notes shorter than you want them, so you can hear the fade reach 0 at the right time or whatever.

Did that help any?

Posted by Eugene on Aug-02-2003 23:26:

quote:
Originally posted by DJMikeyP

Did that help any?

YES! Thank you, MikeyP!

Posted by Sirocco on Aug-03-2003 04:57:

COMPRESSION

Posted by nyun on Aug-06-2003 00:44:

hi eugene

hi eugene, sorry i can't help you with your particular question but i was wondering if you can tell me where i can get trance sample cd's? greatly appreciate your help!

Posted by moth on Aug-06-2003 04:56:

Load your samples into a sampler. Then use loops points and tweak the attack and decay to make it sound more smooth and natural. A great sampler is Native Instruments Kontakt. It is very simple to get your samples to loop properly.

Posted by iLLicit on Aug-06-2003 07:53:

Kontakt is the best software sampler available!!!