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US Gay Marriage Ban??? wtf

Has anyone else seen this horseshit put forward by Bill Frist?? Goddamn I hate religious conservatives. However, it appears that Bush is hesistant to endorse such an amendment which is surprising.
Hopefully gay republicans will speak out and divide the vote such that this bs won't be passed. At any rate I highly doubt something like this would actually make it through congress.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS....gay/index.html

CRAZY shit. it's insane the way people are becoming less and less tolerant of others. The neo-cons, on the other hand, want to make gay sex illegal, even if the couple is in the privacy of their own home.

Actually people are becoming MORE tolerant. I think I saw a poll on CNN or somewhere where the number of people that think gay sex is ok has been ever increasing since the 70's. It's just the few bible belt south states that have idiot representatives who come up with crazy amendments about all sorts of crap. Hehehe even though I think it's retarded, I secretely gloat whenever the US supreme court makes silly decisions such as striking down the saying of the pledge of alliegance in school (because of the God comment), and all sorts of other wierd decisions about hte separation of church and state. WTF comes out of Tennessee anyway except for elvis and homophobe congressmen???

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Originally posted by occrider of alliegance in school (because of the God comment0

I think that there have been some serious proposals to permanently strike the "God" clause in schools.

And nothing else comes out of Tennessee, o wait...AL GORE!!!!!!

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Originally posted by occrider Actually people are becoming MORE tolerant. I think I saw a poll on CNN or somewhere where the number of people that think gay sex is ok has been ever increasing since the 70's. It's just the few bible belt south states that have idiot representatives who come up with crazy amendments about all sorts of crap. Hehehe even though I think it's retarded, I secretely gloat whenever the US supreme court makes silly decisions such as striking down the saying of the pledge of alliegance in school (because of the God comment), and all sorts of other wierd decisions about hte separation of church and state. WTF comes out of Tennessee anyway except for elvis and homophobe congressmen???

IMHO, people are being forced to be more tolerant. I doubt much of it is voluntary. People have to accept the fact that this or that is around.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 I think that there have been some serious proposals to permanently strike the "God" clause in schools. And nothing else comes out of Tennessee, o wait...AL GORE!!!!!!

I'm all for separation of church and state, but things like that are just silly. What's next ... removing the in god we trust from the currency?

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Originally posted by occrider I'm all for separation of church and state, but things like that are just silly. What's next ... removing the in god we trust from the currency?

True. Again, this whole notion of being "politically correct".

No, no, guys, the word "God" is still required in schools.

Remember how a guy from Cali tried to challenge that, and then everybody -- like 99% of the people and the unanimous Congress -- started yelling at him and making threats against him.

Back to the topic: All these Southern Bible-beltists are retarded, but they wield enormous power in this country in terms of social policies. The US is different from Canada, Europe, Australia, and other democracies. Our country is rooted in Puritanic traditions and it's solidly Christian in its government, policies, and voting base (despite all the ado about "diversity", "melting pot", etc.)

As a matter of fact, Canada is more of a melting pot than America. They have more immigrants there, and there's little or no debate about "national character" or how those immigrants "fit into" something "one" and "patriotic."

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 True. Again, this whole notion of being "politically correct".

Perhaps they should change the phrase to "in nothing deemed offensive we trust"

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Originally posted by occrider Perhaps they should change the phrase to "in nothing deemed offensive we trust"

hahaha.....watch them do it. I swear, one day it might happen.

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Originally posted by occrider Perhaps they should change the phrase to "in nothing deemed offensive we trust"

LOL HAHA

It is very ironic that the US, whic claims to have literally invented civil rights, remains so backward and bigoted still, compared to countries that never even had "civil rights revolutions" or other dramatic "freedom" events -- and which are, paradoxically, freer and more tolerant.

Consider the example of prostitution.
Prostitution is legal everywhere except the US and the Muslim world.

It's legal in Europe, Latin America, Canada, Australia, Mexico, democratized Asian countries, ... But not in the #1 democracy in the world.
How's that for separation of church and state?

^That's what I always think about, how I can't stand these ultra-patriotic Americans who claim the US has so many freedoms, blah blah blah. In reality, we are restricted a lot more than other countries, such as like you said with prostitution, but also possession of pot. There are probably others but I'm too lazy to post them.

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Originally posted by Eugene It is very ironic that the US, whic claims to have literally invented civil rights, remains so backward and bigoted still, compared to countries that never even had "civil rights revolutions" or other dramatic "freedom" events -- and which are, paradoxically, freer and more tolerant. Consider the example of prostitution. Prostitution is legal everywhere except the US and the Muslim world. It's legal in Europe, Latin America, Canada, Australia, Mexico, democratized Asian countries, ... But not in the #1 democracy in the world. How's that for separation of church and state?

The prostitution point is an excellent example of the backwards thinking that is evident in American culture. I can point out another thing like that. In europe, it is a common gretting to give two kisses, one on either cheek. here, people are beginning to do it, but many still find it rather...well...homosexual.

BTW: Eugene, who is that in your avatar?

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 BTW: Eugene, who is that in your avatar?

that's the "girl next door" from Denmark
cute, isn't she?
they're all like that there

@ occrider - where exactly in the DC area are you?
I live in Baltimore but I'm in DC all the time (mostly Bethesda & northwestern DC)

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 The prostitution point is an excellent example of the backwards thinking that is evident in American culture. I can point out another thing like that. In europe, it is a common gretting to give two kisses, one on either cheek. here, people are beginning to do it, but many still find it rather...well...homosexual. BTW: Eugene, who is that in your avatar?

Well ... I'm all for prostitution and whatever, to each their own. And I've lived in Europe so I most certainly don't think that two guys kissing each other is gay. But really ... it's hard for me to think of anything I would want to do less than get inches away from a rough, masculine, hairy cheek and give it a big wet one.

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that's the "girl next door" from Denmark cute, isn't she? they're all like that there @ occrider - where exactly in the DC area are you? I live in Baltimore but I'm in DC all the time (mostly Bethesda & northwestern DC)

Dude I've been staring at your avatar for the longest time. She's one fine poa! Anyway, I'm living in philly during the week for work and I'm in DC during the weekends. Right around the Georgetown area on 37th St. I hit up glow all the time ... you?

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Consider the example of prostitution. Prostitution is legal everywhere except the US and the Muslim world. It's legal in Europe, Latin America, Canada, Australia, Mexico, democratized Asian countries, ... But not in the #1 democracy in the world.

uhh... I don't know about that. Prostitution is definately not legal in Canada.

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Right around the Georgetown area on 37th St. I hit up glow all the time ... you?

Holy shit dude, you live near me. Sorry that was off topic.

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Originally posted by Superstar uhh... I don't know about that. Prostitution is definately not legal in Canada.

Yes, it is legal in Canada.

What is illegal is pimping. However, sex for money is allowed.

@occrider - yep, I go there too. Mostly Fri nights though, when it's called "the Spot". Georgetown is a good area, actually I was there last weekend.

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Originally posted by Vesa Neocons have also written some puritanic opinions lately on the pages of their paper Daily Standard

Another pro-Republican, pro-Bush, radically neo-conservative right-wing newspaper is the Washington Times.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/

(NOTE: Don't confuse it with the Washington Post. The Post is the #1 newspaper and is very good, objective, and more liberal.)

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Originally posted by Eugene Another pro-Republican, pro-Bush, radically neo-conservative right-wing newspaper is the Washington Times. http://www.washingtontimes.com/ (NOTE: Don't confuse it with the Washington Post. The Post is the #1 newspaper and is very good, objective, and more liberal.)

I was gettin scared there until I read the NOTE. I was wondering with the Washington Post would write that Neo-Con bullshit...

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 I was gettin scared there until I read the NOTE. I was wondering with the Washington Post would write that Neo-Con bullshit...

I think "in god we trust" should be removed from money because it is religious... and thee are many people who dont even beleive in a god.

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Originally posted by Eugene As a matter of fact, Canada is more of a melting pot than America. They have more immigrants there, and there's little or no debate about "national character" or how those immigrants "fit into" something "one" and "patriotic."

I wouldnt think Canada as a melting pot because everyone that comes here as immigrants still have their faith or culture, just as in the United States. I really dont think Canada and the United States are all that much different with diversity. To say Canada is more of a melting pot than America is utter bull shit. The difference in this matter is that Americans are more patriotic than Canadians as a country, but Canadians are more patriotic with beer and hockey.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King I think "in god we trust" should be removed from money because it is religious... and thee are many people who dont even beleive in a god.

well...you could argue that to do that would stretch the limit.

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Originally posted by Vesa To be fair to Weekly Standard after all my bashing, some of its articles at least admit that homosexuality is largely genetic, in contrast to the Christian hardline view of a disease or lifestyle disorder: http://members.aol.com/gaygene/pages/standard.htm However, the writer's thoughts on the possible elimination of the effects of the homosexuality gene may have less than noble intentions, leaving open the possibility of illegalizing homosexual behaviour. So Neocons are moralists who want to separate the issues of legality and biological inclination.

Homosexuality gene? wow. I always thought there was some small genetic part, but it was mostly due to surroundings and upbringing.

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