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Posted by Vanilla on Jul-05-2003 18:00:

The Matrix SOLVED

http://www.ngemu.com/forums/showthr...?threadid=38092

Prepare to be mindfucked.

LONG(!!) and obviously SPOILER ridden.


Posted by noikeee on Jul-05-2003 19:01:

that's very interesting.. and it explains a lot. but i dunno if the wachowski bros really made it with all that detail. it's a bit hard to believe, we'll have to wait until november.

btw, what the hell is 'Second Renaissance' ? seems like I'm missing something here


Posted by _Nut_ on Jul-05-2003 19:13:

That so goes against everything that I originally thought..


Findfuck forsure.


Posted by _Nut_ on Jul-05-2003 19:14:

quote:
Originally posted by PaRaNoIk0


btw, what the hell is 'Second Renaissance' ? seems like I'm missing something here


Its from the Animatrix DvD


Posted by DJ Chrono on Jul-05-2003 19:14:

Very interesting, and it makes sense to me. I'd actually be very happy if this is how the movie turned out. I like it.


Posted by Psionic on Jul-05-2003 19:18:

Second Renaissance I believe was the time where we discovered artificial intelligence and turned into the sedentary, computer-obsessed livestyle that we live today.


Posted by Choobak on Jul-05-2003 19:19:

quote:
Originally posted by PaRaNoIk0
that's very interesting.. and it explains a lot. but i dunno if the wachowski bros really made it with all that detail. it's a bit hard to believe, we'll have to wait until november.

btw, what the hell is 'Second Renaissance' ? seems like I'm missing something here


the second renaissance is when the machines took over the world... you can see it in a short snimated film in the Animatrix collection...

that was an interesting read... educated guessing it seems...


Posted by ++ EGO ++ on Jul-05-2003 19:45:

wow... I guess we'll have to wait and see!
This made me more impatient!


Posted by Photo_bot_2k1 on Jul-05-2003 20:35:

it cant be that detailed and complex.....
i dont think a bunch of lazy ass movie directors would spend THAT much time making sure every little piece of symbolism got in and then
tell all the people who made the animatrix to put that detailed symbolism in THIER short films

its cool if its true but if its not...
i wanna see the look on that guys face when they say "dur...matrix within a matrix"


Posted by ++ EGO ++ on Jul-05-2003 20:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Photo_bot_2k1
it cant be that detailed and complex.....
i dont think a bunch of lazy ass movie directors would spend THAT much time making sure every little piece of symbolism got in and then
tell all the people who made the animatrix to put that detailed symbolism in THIER short films

its cool if its true but if its not...
i wanna see the look on that guys face when they say "dur...matrix within a matrix"


LMAO!!!

..probably gonna be something stupid like that! or...oh NEO SAVE THE WORLD!!


Posted by AnotherWay83 on Jul-06-2003 00:38:

its definitely plausible but lacks what most ppl. look for in any great movie, and thats why i think it would be reckless to say that this is the correct interpretation of the movie

usually ppl. like movies in which there is a human element, a human struggle in which the good guys win in the end...but if what that guy says is true, then there is no good guy, there is no 'real' conflict because it's all happening inside the matrix...so in the end ppl. will come away thinking 'what a bunch of crap, i cant believe i spent all that time watching a bunch of AI robots fighting each other'

besides, i think that ppl. will feel cheated and will not consider that matrix trilogy as great as it is if it really turns out that way because of what i said...i dont think the producers would want that to happen...thats why i doubt the validity of this theory..just my 2 cents..


Posted by Dj Dovla on Jul-06-2003 00:43:

this is some fucked up shit ...... but really good written


it surely makes you think //////


but from all that this is what I liked the most .

"There are worse things than blindness... Knowledge can be more terrible than ignorance if you're powerless to change your world."

so true


Posted by DJ Chrono on Jul-06-2003 02:19:

quote:
Originally posted by AnotherWay83
its definitely plausible but lacks what most ppl. look for in any great movie, and thats why i think it would be reckless to say that this is the correct interpretation of the movie


I disagree, many great movies have endings that are not always conventional.

And appearently the bros have already said "dur...matrix within a matrix" is not how it ends up.


Posted by elena on Jul-06-2003 03:19:


Posted by Drifter on Jul-06-2003 04:56:

i think i'm more confused now ...jk nah well written, we'll just have to wait to see


Posted by conk on Jul-06-2003 06:10:

I am so mindfucked right now...wow

Well, I think I'm gonna have to go back and read it again but with all the weed im smoking this summer, I doubt I'll be able to remember this explanation by November :\


Posted by TuanAnh213 on Jul-06-2003 06:11:

the matrix series have got to the most overrated films in history


Posted by Spike on Jul-07-2003 15:53:

quote:
Originally posted by TuanAnh213
the matrix series have got to the most overrated films in history


are u fuckin stupid?!! did u even read what galvatron said?? if he is right then the matrix trilogy is one of hell of story. and besides, even if what he said turns out to be wrong; there arent that many people out there who love the matrix films so much to make your claim (that the movies are the most over-rated in history) true!


Posted by Michael Russo on Jul-07-2003 16:11:

quote:
Originally posted by AnotherWay83
its definitely plausible but lacks what most ppl. look for in any great movie, and thats why i think it would be reckless to say that this is the correct interpretation of the movie

usually ppl. like movies in which there is a human element, a human struggle in which the good guys win in the end...but if what that guy says is true, then there is no good guy, there is no 'real' conflict because it's all happening inside the matrix...so in the end ppl. will come away thinking 'what a bunch of crap, i cant believe i spent all that time watching a bunch of AI robots fighting each other'

besides, i think that ppl. will feel cheated and will not consider that matrix trilogy as great as it is if it really turns out that way because of what i said...i dont think the producers would want that to happen...thats why i doubt the validity of this theory..just my 2 cents..



Umm... have you ever read any literature?


Posted by TuanAnh213 on Jul-07-2003 17:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Mumbo Joe
are u fuckin stupid?!! did u even read what galvatron said?? if he is right then the matrix trilogy is one of hell of story. and besides, even if what he said turns out to be wrong; there arent that many people out there who love the matrix films so much to make your claim (that the movies are the most over-rated in history) true!



how old are you? 10? 12? 8?
anyway...who the fuck is "galvatron"? is this guy supposed to convince me that the matrix story is so "Great?" gimme a fucking break, wtf is so special about the story? the only thing that keeps me awake in these movies are the action/special effect scenes...the acting, plot, the pointless dialogue are terrible...at least for reloaded...the first one was at least ok


Posted by Spike on Jul-07-2003 18:07:

10, 12, 8??? after reading your reply i'd say you are about that age...


Posted by Michael Russo on Jul-07-2003 18:40:

quote:
Originally posted by TuanAnh213

how old are you? 10? 12? 8?
anyway...who the fuck is "galvatron"? is this guy supposed to convince me that the matrix story is so "Great?" gimme a fucking break, wtf is so special about the story? the only thing that keeps me awake in these movies are the action/special effect scenes...the acting, plot, the pointless dialogue are terrible...at least for reloaded...the first one was at least ok


Oh my... this is coming from the genius that tried to tell me Terminator is brilliant.


Posted by AnotherWay83 on Jul-07-2003 18:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Michael Russo
Umm... have you ever read any literature?


not much since i graduated high school, im an engineering major, so i tend to read mostly technical books...lots of them...its been a long while since i read any fiction

besides, i think my point is still valid, considering that most of the ppl. who will be watching the trilogy will probably not be english/literature majors, and those are the people i was talking about.


Posted by occrider on Jul-07-2003 19:06:

No ... freaking ... way. This is hollywood we're talking about. I'll shoot myself in the foot if this guy is right. First of all, I thought about the question of the first EMP blast in the Matrix 1 immediately and I thought that the author did a poor job of dispelling that argument. He claims that it's possible that they, the humachines, "woke up" after the blast without realizing their period of unconsciousness. I find two faults with this argument ... first, an EMP blast does not merely render electronics "unconscious." It essentially induces damage by producing a tremendous surge in current or voltage that overheats or even melts the electronic device. Therefore they should have been destroyed. However, if you make the assumption that they have adaptive, damage control devices caapble of self-repair (a very large assumption), then why didn't the sentinels (who would be similarly equipped one would like to think) wake up at the same time that the "humans" did? Maybe this guy addressed this issue but I'm too lazy to read every post in that thread.

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/5971/emp.html


Posted by TuanAnh213 on Jul-07-2003 19:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Michael Russo
Oh my... this is coming from the genius that tried to tell me Terminator is brilliant.


i never said it was brilliant or worthy of oscar awards but i guess we all have different movie tastes so there is no point in arguing what's actually good or not


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