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Posted by specialK on Jul-13-2003 00:35:

Goa = separate genre?

Lately I've been seeing the genre "goa" appear . . . what makes this different that regular trance/progressive trance? What classifies something as "Goa Trance"?

Posted by Omegasox on Jul-13-2003 00:38:

Have you heard of Psy Trance? Imo Goa is very similar to Psy, much more similar than to any other genre of trance.

Infected Mushroom is Goa, I'm sure you've heard some material from them. If not, seek it out, that's your best example of Goa. Atleast from my understanding of it, maybe someone more knowledgeable will come along.

Posted by allstar on Jul-13-2003 01:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Omegasox
Have you heard of Psy Trance? Imo Goa is very similar to Psy, much more similar than to any other genre of trance.

Infected Mushroom is Goa, I'm sure you've heard some material from them. If not, seek it out, that's your best example of Goa. Atleast from my understanding of it, maybe someone more knowledgeable will come along.

I'd personally consider Astral Projection as the best example of psy/goa.

Posted by TrAnCeAkI on Jul-13-2003 01:45:

yeah i agree with what S2k said!! i kinda like this stuff too..must be cuz my freinds were so into it that i heard it BEfore trance i have some pretty mint ones too!

Posted by moncster on Jul-13-2003 01:53:

quote:
Originally posted by S2K
I'd personally consider Astral Projection as the best example of psy/goa.

...and... THE MAN WITH NO NAME

Posted by The Master on Jul-13-2003 02:16:

First you need to know there's no difference between Goa and Psy, it is the same genre of music. I prefer to call it Goa Trance. It is a subgenre of Trance because it uses psychodelic elements (that's why some people call it Psy) as strange noises, fast beats and very complex and unpredictable sounds. You definitely need to hear some of it to understand it. As you seem to know a little about it, I'll give you some classics for you to check out:

Man With No Name - Teleport
Infected Mushroom - Bust A Move
Yahel - Intelligent Life
Astral Projection - Mahadeva

I really like Infected Mushroom as they have the wider spectrum in terms of sounds, check out these tunes and you will see they seem to be from different artists:

Infected Mushroom - Dancing with Kadafi
Infected Mushroom - Shakawkaw
Infected Mushroom - Overload

Posted by moncster on Jul-13-2003 02:24:

Summary of goa:

Astral Projection - Aurora Borealis

Posted by yuvy on Jul-13-2003 03:02:

get anything from infected mushroom / astrix / gms / skazi / alien project

these artist are goa/psy trance for me

Posted by MaxC on Jul-13-2003 03:51:

quote:
Originally posted by The Master
First you need to know there's no difference between Goa and Psy, it is the same genre of music.
I disagree (kinda). I see it as more of a continuum, Psy on one end, and Goa on the other. Compare minimal psy like Koxbox to full-on stuff like Pleiadians. Most artists probably lie somewhere in between. If you look at Astral Projection's mp3.com page, they actually classify some of their own songs as Psytrance while labeling others as Goa. These guys have been around the genre(s) for a long time, and they seem to be able to discern a difference.

Regarding the original question, the biggest difference between Goa and traditional trance/progressive, is that they sound completely different .

Oh and as far as a recommendation; check out "The Nommos - Djembe" (the original, not the 'Rough Mix'). That's like the quintessential Goa song, and it owns hard core .

Posted by davinox on Jul-13-2003 04:38:

Psy doesn't really have as much melody or synths as Goa.

Posted by armandzadza on Jul-13-2003 05:00:

If a track is produced by a DJ from Israel it's Psy/Goa...

Seriously, the name Goa comes from an area in India that was popular with hippies in the 60-70's. Goa/Psy trance has a strong jazz influence and is normally associated with drugs (therefore, the name "Psy").

Astral Projection and Infected Mushroom are probably the best known
Goa/Psy producers - look for their tracks or sets.

Posted by calum on Jul-13-2003 05:42:

This site will answer all your your questions about psytrance and goa trance

www.psynews.org

Check out the reviews sections - it has pretty much every goa album ever made the ones highlighted red are recommended

In general I personally differentiate between psy and goa

psy - generally tends to have a more futuristic sound
goa - has a more earthy sound to it (natural sounding instruments)

Dont know if that makes sense to you guys??

Then you can further classify it as

minimal psy- eg. Atmos, Ticon, Matenda, etc..
full on psy- eg. Psydrop, MWNN, Infected mushroom
"psy pop"- eg. Alien Project, 1200 Mics, ect <-(the artists that haven't bothered to progress the sound of psy, instead just rip off and reuse the standard GMS baselines)

I personally cant stand psypop its ok to listen to 1 or 2 times then it just gets really boring (ie. throw away trance). There needs to be innovation not immitation...

Calum gets of his high horse

Posted by moncster on Jul-13-2003 06:26:

Lim Cheese->0 (Melody^999)/(cheese)

Posted by calum on Jul-13-2003 07:20:

quote:
Originally posted by moncster
Lim Cheese->0 (Melody^999)/(cheese)

Ah this reminds me of maths and L'Hopitals rule (correct me if im wrong)

This statement depends on what value melody takes

ie. if melody<1, then it becomes '0/0' ~>1

if melody>1, then it becomes 'very big number/0' ~> infinity

QED...

Posted by J.L. on Jul-13-2003 07:29:

quote:
Originally posted by calum
Ah this reminds me of maths and L'Hopitals rule (correct me if im wrong)

This statement depends on what value melody takes

ie. if melody<1, then it becomes '0/0' ~>1

if melody>1, then it becomes 'very big number/0' ~> infinity

QED...

good ol' calculus

Posted by raditz on Jul-13-2003 07:56:

I also agree that goa and psy are totally different. Psy is just that, psy-trance, the style is quite easy to get, as it's quite fast, with tons of synths making weird noises, and as it was mentioned it rarely ever has a melody, it's just a repetition of those sounds over and over. Now about goa, that's more in the spiritual side, it's like a blend between progressive and melodic-uplifting trance, with a little twist and faster bpms. It has quite a hard feel to it that makes you feel totally high, way more than the "normal" psy-trance, it's quite nice once you get to like it, it kinda relaxes you while at the same time makes you wanna jump and run around like crazy (no, i'm not on drugs heh) it's quite special.