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DJs: Ever get bored of simply beat matching?

Lately when ive been mixing ive been bored of just simply get the beats matched, gradually bringing it in, and gradually taking out the out going track.

I find my self mixing a lot more progressive, because you can do more interesting stuff with it. Layering tracks on top of each other (to an extent), Adding samples in, and even scratching. Although im not too sure how good any of this sounds at the moment

On to the question, what do you guys do while mixing besides beatmatching? Regardless of the genre you mix?

Same shit really, once you've got the tracks close enough to beatmatched to be able to let em go together for about 16bars or so without getting too much out I fuck around with switching the bass etc, stuff like that, i'll scratch a bit in the cue but not much through the master, as....well, let's be honest, I can't scratch for shit really

Sampling's good fun if you've got the right tracks, or a CDJ.

Something i'm trying 2 do is find 2 tracks 2 "mash-up".....something different.

Trance you can't really do too much more, the way the tracks are strctured they don't allow you to do much more (hard trance is GREAT for doing shite over tho [dun worry, i dun like it :P]).

Prog, go for 1-2min mixes...go for phrases of mixing.

Also start key matching your mixes.

--djway

There's not really too much more you can do with trance, sometimes I like mixing house.
1. It's much easier to mix than trance
2. You can fuck around with it heaps and no-one will care.

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Originally posted by djway Also start key matching your mixes.

I'll never be able to tell you what key a particular record is in, but through good track selection I know what will work with what and i think that's more important. But you are right, in that a beatmatched mix can still sound fucking terrible if there's clashing harmonies.

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Originally posted by Ghostface I'll never be able to tell you what key a particular record is in, but through good track selection I know what will work with what and i think that's more important. But you are right, in that a beatmatched mix can still sound fucking terrible if there's clashing harmonies.

Same here. There is no way in hell im going to find out the key for all my records, but you just know what works.

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Originally posted by escee Same here. There is no way in hell im going to find out the key for all my records, but you just know what works.

well through continuous listening to the same record, you understand the record more and more i guess. You'll will get the hang of what records DON'T and what record DO go with whatever record.

You can always just mix the song out gradually at around the file part of song, at around 56 seconds at 138 BPM. obviously this would be a shorter mix but atleast its not going to clash with any big melodies or anything

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Originally posted by djway Sampling's good fun if you've got the right tracks, or a CDJ. Something i'm trying 2 do is find 2 tracks 2 "mash-up".....something different. Trance you can't really do too much more, the way the tracks are strctured they don't allow you to do much more (hard trance is GREAT for doing shite over tho [dun worry, i dun like it :P]). Prog, go for 1-2min mixes...go for phrases of mixing.

Yeah yeah.. Mash-ups are the way to go.. I've been throwing down breaks with prog/tech house to create some cool funky tracks.. Been working on doing a few tracks at home like that and burning the mash-up to cd.. That way I can play it out without worrying about mixing it (cause I like doing whole song mixes, so I have to beat-match in about 15-30 seconds and hold it for like 4-5 minutes.. I can do it sometimes, but don't want to risk a mega-trainwreck when I'm playing out!)

Here's one to play with...

Lamb - Sweet (Lee Coombs Vocal Mix) / Plump DJs - Scram .. They were made for each other, I swear!

get gigs

party tricks, stops, spin backs scratchity scratch =p
um, time to invest in an fx unit? *shrug*

maybe the music is boring you a lil? incorporate a variety of other stuff into ur mix. personally, i'm headin towards where dj pulse is.
tek-house, tek-trance and exploring nu skool breaks

dirty dirty bass. that's where its at!

edit: dont forget accapellas

haha i wish i was as cool as you slade

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Originally posted by JayKuE maybe the music is boring you a lil? incorporate a variety of other stuff into ur mix. personally, i'm headin towards where dj pulse is. tek-house, tek-trance and exploring nu skool breaks dirty dirty bass. that's where its at!

i dont think its the music thats boring me, the fact that when ive got them matched i stand around and do nothing, if i was playing out maybe i could go hit on girls or something, but the eq knobs != girls

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Originally posted by escee i dont think its the music thats boring me, the fact that when ive got them matched i stand around and do nothing, if i was playing out maybe i could go hit on girls or something, but the eq knobs != girls

man, thats the funnest part.
thats when u pose in front of the mirror
n sweat on how hot u look with ur headphones!

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Originally posted by escee Same here. There is no way in hell im going to find out the key for all my records, but you just know what works.

Lol, I was asked what else there is to do, to enhance mixes, I bust out key matching, and The responce? Fuck that, too hard.....Lol (i see your point tho, key matching is a bitch, but it's worth it...but if ur bored anyhow, why not it's the next level).

waXology key matches

--djway

have you sat down at a keyboard/computer with everyone of your records to determine its key? i doubt it. After playing records you just know what records sound good with the other ones.

I dont know for 100% sure that i mix in key, sometimes i probably dont, but i know what mixes sound good and what ones are crap, even though they are properly beatmatched.

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Originally posted by escee have you sat down at a keyboard/computer with everyone of your records to determine its key? i doubt it. After playing records you just know what records sound good with the other ones. I dont know for 100% sure that i mix in key, sometimes i probably dont, but i know what mixes sound good and what ones are crap, even though they are properly beatmatched.

I wouldn't worry too much. Most people are tone deaf, and the people that do notice are usually DJ's but I wouldn't worry about them either cos they can be just way to fussy or hard to please (well some of them).

I don't key mate, i'm with you lot You asked what was the next level, that's all It is logical progression for even better mixes to key matched tho

--djway

Well what about this arguement : Does key matching improve a set ?

Personally, i think it depends. If a whole set is played within a particular key, the set will sound to predictable, and thus imo, too boring.

Re: DJs: Ever get bored of simply beat matching?

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Originally posted by escee Lately when ive been mixing ive been bored of just simply get the beats matched, gradually bringing it in, and gradually taking out the out going track. I find my self mixing a lot more progressive, because you can do more interesting stuff with it. Layering tracks on top of each other (to an extent), Adding samples in, and even scratching. Although im not too sure how good any of this sounds at the moment On to the question, what do you guys do while mixing besides beatmatching? Regardless of the genre you mix?

booha slowly but surely trances pitfalls is rearing its ugly head isnt it NIEL HUH HUH! YEAH MOTHER******.

i think you have too do something else any clown can learn to beatmatch i think the innovative djs do shit whether it be tease people with tracks, scratch, layer, play back loops or samples, accapellas whatever, just generally work you know, make the most of themselves, and chookie trance is so much more easier to mix then house man, listen to someone like derrick carter, or sanchez listen to what there doing and tell me thats easier then a tiesto spinback...

also if you have all that spare time... i guess you should be in your crate and really be thinking/trying differant records to get that perfect track selection... (please refer : stacey pullen)

oh and as far as doing shit, trance and progressive i think pales compared to something like... techno... imo techno djs are the hardest working guys around...

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Originally posted by GelatinPufF Well what about this arguement : Does key matching improve a set ?

in my eyes, of course! thats what differentiates the musically talented DJs from the average DJs

I don't get bored of beatmatching, because I suck at it

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Originally posted by GelatinPufF Well what about this arguement : Does key matching improve a set ?

Makes mixing a lot smoother and therefore better in my opinion.

Nah I wouldn't assume that Key mixing makes things 'smoother'

However, it does make you avoid bass & melody collisions.

But at the end of the day, you still have to deal with the elements of each track as well as dealing with correct phrasing etc, so just because you've keyed your tracks, doesn't mean you've guaranteed yourself a smooth mix.




I must admit I have gotten rather bored with practice mixing lately. Its probably due to factors like me completing a decent cd, and the fact that I've grown in confidence in my abilities. Lately I'll go for a mix and be lucky to play more than 4 tunes. There are the odd occasions when I'll get on a roll and bang it out for an hour or two. But I think the key is to not pay a lot of attention to your mixing, otherwise it'll turn out like other things (chores, burdens, etc) Just keep a balance.

If you can mix in key, you don't HAVE to...IE you can change the key up, and do a few more in the new key and move on.

I think Key matching does make a mix smoother, as WTF are u doing trying to key match if you don't know how to phrase and or beat match....The general progression in my mind is beat match, phrase THEN comes the tricks, such as mashup, accapella's and key matching......(so we agree :P)

--djway

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