Odd/Interesting E-Bay Vinyl Auction (Legit?)

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Posted by Wretched on Jul-19-2003 20:53:

Odd/Interesting E-Bay Vinyl Auction (Legit?)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...item=2545702310

Supposedly it's a Perfecto vinyl released in 98 that features:

A1. Mansun "Wide Open Space" (Perfecto Mix)
A2. BT "Fibonacci Sequence"
B1. The Dream Traveller "Time" (Original Mix)
B2. BT vs. Paul van Dyk "Namistai"

Now to my understanding Namistai was unreleased, and is only available as a white promo printed without a label (Discogs says the same thing). Discogs also says that Fibonacci Sequence was only ever released once, by itself, on the Headspace label. Both are very rare.

The guy hosting the auction says it's not a bootleg and that Perfecto is etched into the vinyl, but I can't believe him.

Any expert opinions?

Posted by Technaut on Jul-19-2003 20:58:

fake.

Posted by Wretched on Jul-19-2003 20:59:

HA - even better, he's offering FIVE of them on e-bay.

Yeah, I'm sure this is real.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...item=2545699357

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...item=2545702086

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...item=2545702230

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...item=2545702310

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...item=2545868367

Posted by DaveSZ on Jul-19-2003 21:00:

Not real (I don't think....)

Namistai was not exlusive to a promo release however.

I have a vinyl from vandit with namistai, tell me why, and love from above on it; Made back in the days when vandit made good quality records.

Out there and Back also has Namistai, as does a vinyl album of BT (not sure which).

Posted by Wretched on Jul-19-2003 21:02:

I just wrote him an e-mail saying I'll be telling the winner's of all the auctions not to pay him. I'll just give them the discogs links showing that Namistai and Fibonacci Sequence were only ever printed separately.

Posted by Wretched on Jul-19-2003 21:04:

If someone is willing to register a fake e-bay account and win every auction (with no intent to pay), that'd be awesome.

Posted by Technaut on Jul-19-2003 21:07:

do it ur fucking self!

Posted by joeh on Jul-19-2003 23:32:

or how about just leaving it?

I mean the artists who made these tracks obviously don't like making any money - or they would have had larger pressings. If they didn't want people to pirate their music they should have made sure than anyone who wanted to buy it could.

So why not just let him sell these bootleg vinyls? Unless of course there arent even any vinyls and this is a scam or something.

Posted by Wretched on Jul-19-2003 23:36:

I wouldn't care if he MARKETED IT AS A BOOTLEG. He's leading people to believe that the vinyl is an OFFICIAL Perfecto pressing, which is bullshit.

Posted by joeh on Jul-19-2003 23:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Wretched
I wouldn't care if he MARKETED IT AS A BOOTLEG. He's leading people to believe that the vinyl is an OFFICIAL Perfecto pressing, which is bullshit.

Yeh but he might get in trouble from ebay from saying its a bootleg? just a thought

Posted by ilovetrance2k3 on Jul-20-2003 00:16:

quote:
Originally posted by joeh152
or how about just leaving it?

I mean the artists who made these tracks obviously don't like making any money - or they would have had larger pressings. If they didn't want people to pirate their music they should have made sure than anyone who wanted to buy it could.

So why not just let him sell these bootleg vinyls? Unless of course there arent even any vinyls and this is a scam or something.

good point, but littel flaw, pvd, obviously a greedy fuck only to play his shit in his sets, doesnt need to make money from record sales, he has those high pay gigs, he probably doesnt have to release another record in his life. and what was the fuckin deal with nby, releasing garbage versions

Posted by DJ Mikey Mike on Jul-20-2003 00:48:

quote:
Originally posted by DaveSaenz

Out there and Back also has Namistai, as does a vinyl album of BT (not sure which).

The Namistai on the OTAB album is PvD's own version. It is different from the BT vs PvD version. However, u can find the BT vs PvD version on a very ltd Promo release, or on one of J00F's EP's.

Posted by DJ Mikey Mike on Jul-20-2003 00:53:

quote:
Originally posted by ilovetrance2k3
good point, but littel flaw, pvd, obviously a greedy fuck only to play his shit in his sets, doesnt need to make money from record sales, he has those high pay gigs, he probably doesnt have to release another record in his life. and what was the fuckin deal with nby, releasing garbage versions

And u clearly dont hav a fucking clue. For a start, NBY (Original) has been saved for the Reflections Album (u remember, just like he did with Face to Face on OTAB), and as for the other stuff he does not release such as reworks and re-edits, its all to do with legal reasons, not becoz he just doesnt want to. Example, He remixed Fischerspooner - Emerge which was a dam fucking great tune. However, Fischerspooner does not like dance music and refuses to let PvD release. A lot of the stuff that has gone unreleased was becoz of how Deviant fucked him over. So get ur facts straight before you go calling someone a greedy fuck for not releasing his tracks.

Posted by ilovetrance2k3 on Jul-20-2003 01:03:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
And u clearly dont hav a fucking clue. For a start, NBY (Original) has been saved for the Reflections Album (u remember, just like he did with Face to Face on OTAB), and as for the other stuff he does not release such as reworks and re-edits, its all to do with legal reasons, not becoz he just doesnt want to. Example, He remixed Fischerspooner - Emerge which was a dam fucking great tune. However, Fischerspooner does not like dance music and refuses to let PvD release. A lot of the stuff that has gone unreleased was becoz of how Deviant fucked him over. So get ur facts straight before you go calling someone a greedy fuck for not releasing his tracks.

ok

Posted by DJPrototypeX on Jul-20-2003 04:50:

if the people biddin knew the facts they wouldnt have in the first place...i wouldnt trust him though...

Posted by hakky on Jul-20-2003 05:25:

This guy sold me a fake northern exposure 2 cd on his old ebay account which got suspended. He then sold a box of 100 of them:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...3&category=1561

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...0&category=1561

This guy does not respond to emails anymore after he made the sale. Also check his feedback. Why would someone just leave neutral feedback when receiving a bootleg cd???

Definitely do not bid on this guys auctions. Pretty sad how some people make their money.

Posted by Wretched on Jul-20-2003 05:59:

For the person that asked, you CAN sell bootlegs on ebay.

hakky: that's sad

Posted by 12 inches big on Dec-06-2003 00:22:

i know this is an old subject, but i ordered one of these off ebay recently, (the 4 track vinyl) the sound is really good, but all the tracks were just slaughtered, i mean he took all the tracks right off cds, all of them are not full tracks and they have the next track that was on the cd mixing in, just brutal, bts fabonnici sequence, is just pieces of the track spliced together, dream traveler cuts off and starts namistai before it reaches the end, on the bright side, i complained and got a full refund for shipping and everything.

Posted by placebo on Dec-06-2003 03:08:

quote:
Originally posted by 12 inches big
i know this is an old subject, but i ordered one of these off ebay recently, (the 4 track vinyl) the sound is really good, but all the tracks were just slaughtered, i mean he took all the tracks right off cds, all of them are not full tracks and they have the next track that was on the cd mixing in, just brutal, bts fabonnici sequence, is just pieces of the track spliced together, dream traveler cuts off and starts namistai before it reaches the end, on the bright side, i complained and got a full refund for shipping and everything.

Suprised the guy gave you a refund..

Posted by Psygnosis on Dec-06-2003 03:25:

Re: Odd/Interesting E-Bay Vinyl Auction (Legit?)

quote:
Originally posted by Wretched
Now to my understanding Namistai was unreleased, and is only available as a white promo printed without a label (Discogs says the same thing).

It's on the Paul Van Dyk Out There and Back EP, i'm sure there is two versions of the song.