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Definition of cheese?
Is was reading the June issue of Mixmag and they said Tiesto was the king of cheese!?(pg 168 for the people who also have this issue)They also mentioned Liquid Child(not familiar with) and ATB(pretty cheesey). When I think of cheese I think of Venga Boys ,Eiffle 65 and shit like that. But Tiesto?? What do you TA's think?
I think that the guys at Mixmag have a problem with trance ! They don't make the difference between wonderful trance and 100 % cheesy and crappy dance stuff like Venga Boys !
They suck
Many people outside the trance scene look upon the whole genre as cheese
When stigma released his contribution to "the first" series, Fragma's album got a better score in a norwegian mag because they (quote comming up-->) focused more on the melodies!!
Now that is just too fucking stupid. I couldn't believe my own eyes when i read that.
Peace
Cheese is anything by the following artists, ATB and darude. They suck big time and same with sonique.
I would call Darude and ATB more commercial, than cheese. I have downloaded sets by huge name DJ's (1999-early2000) who were pumpin ATB and Darurde. People liked it, nobody complained or called it cheese. It was when you started to hear it everwhere, radio, music television, every dance compilation. You hear them at least 5+ times a day and they drive you nuts and make you sick. When I heard 9PM till I come and Sandstorm, the first couple of times I didn't mind them, but the next 1000+ times, well thats a different story.
Cheese is usually a vocal track talking about love and "I want you back" and crap like that... pretty much anything that's been done a million times before
im getting kinda angry
i hate it how you guys bash darude and ATB, give them credit they made good ORIGINAL songs. i think that people have to distinguish between 'commercial songs' and 'cheesy songs'.
the two i mentioned definitly went commercial, and anyone who hates the songs just because of it is wrong in my book. commercial songs arent nessicarly of lesser quality. its a different issue if you didnt like it to begin with, then i have no problem.
cheese in my book is something bad and ironicaly does make it big... like vengaboys and here in america 'that band that sings... "all around the world la la la la" man i hate that song.
Re: im getting kinda angry
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| Originally posted by Izzy i hate it how you guys bash darude and ATB, give them credit they made good ORIGINAL songs. i think that people have to distinguish between 'commercial songs' and 'cheesy songs'. the two i mentioned definitly went commercial, and anyone who hates the songs just because of it is wrong in my book. commercial songs arent nessicarly of lesser quality. its a different issue if you didnt like it to begin with, then i have no problem. cheese in my book is something bad and ironicaly does make it big... like vengaboys and here in america 'that band that sings... "all around the world la la la la" man i hate that song. |
the same thing happened in Bluelight a few weeks ago.....
someone, on their very first post, asked for track recommendations of some kick ass songs like sandstorm, castles in the sky, and til i come.....he proceeded to get crushed by everyone, calling all that stuff cheese
so i posed the question "just when does a track become cheese", cause my claim was that when i first heard all these tracks i definitley liked them, but then when a track becomes SO commercialized that people who know nothing about our club scene and music begin to like the song, or when in america a track gets radio play on a pop station, all of us who are trance-literate call the some cheese and act like we are above listening to or liking a track that has become so popular........the thread got lots of responses
my opinion is that sometimes people in any "underground" circle get annoyed when something becomes popular and people outside that circle start to like only those one or two popular things......
so when my cousin who has a nipple ring, metallica posters and iron maiden ticket stubs all over his bedroom walls, and listens to slipknot all day, comes up to me and goes "dude check out this techno song, its awesome" and turns on sandstorm, we get annoyed by it
i know i didnt verbalize my thoughts too well, but you might get my point
my defenition of cheese is: music that's made for many people to buy, the track isn't created for the music but for the money and that's a bad thing, that's why i hate cheese.
one of my most hated things in the world is the radio!! all they fucking do is take a GOOD original trance song and play it AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN until every little 5 year-old in britain can hum the tune.... yuck! that is satanism!!! BASTARDS!!! such as "time to burn" ...i remember that being AWSOME when it was only just out over the net ripped from the vinyl promo... then the radio caught it in their clutches..... they played that fucking track i swear 10 times an hour!!!! i STILL like that track, but it just hasnt that same feel at all to it!... all thanks to FUCKING RADIO 1!!!!! trance killing assholes!!!! anyways.... i hope u enjoyed my little thought...
my definition of cheese is
a stupid term that people cheaply use to bash something they don't like. i've always felt that music is and should not be classified as GOOD or BAD or in this case GOOD or CHEESE. i've always classified music as something you would LIKE or DISLIKE. just because you think something is cheesy doesn't necessary mean everyone think its cheese. its a matter of opinion. i mean look at this thread and check out the numerous definitions of cheese. there is no definition to this term.
about a year ago when darude sandstorm was released, no one even put cheese and darude in the same sentence. now we can't go about discussing darude without having someone call it cheese.
i just think this term is way overused. if you don't like it fine but it doesn't necessary mean its cheese.
IMO darude sandstorm still rocks. yes its commercialized and totally played out by the radio but the tunes haven't changed. its still the same song that thrilled almost all of us when we first heard it. isn't it?
well thats it for my rant. agree or disagree.......its only my opinion on this.
Yevat, I agree totally.
Heard 'Castles In The Sky' on Chris Moyles show for fuxxsake... 
Mixmag is crap. I've never bought an issue in the 5 years or more I've been buying both DJ and Muzik.
well paul wilson will give you a good definition of cheese,since he hates it so much
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| Originally posted by cyberia well paul wilson will give you a good definition of cheese,since he hates it so much |
My deffinition of cheese is rally bad vocal house!!! or realy bad bad vocal commercial crap. I would say that atb and others would be Commercial dance.
TIESTO IS NOT CHEESE
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| Originally posted by NZWaverider TIESTO IS NOT CHEESE |
Well........ thats just my opinion anyway
That's the real problem with some of you supposedly TAs: Egocentrics.
its like a religion to some, bunch of fundamentalists. Cheese this, cheese that, some of you guys are walking cheese spitting factories!!
I don't mind ATB, Darude, or Venga Boys (a few songs). Do not classify those artists as cheese as you won't be any better than a death metal freak who thinks Trance reeks moldy cheese.
we bunch TA have alot of passion for this music, but sometimes it clouds our objectivity.
I think it's an error
I have listened to Magik 7 - it's not cheesy 
I hope that it's just an error
Re: I think it's an error
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| Originally posted by CJ Slater I have listened to Magik 7 - it's not cheesy I hope that it's just an error |
Here's an example of some stereotypical cheese:
DJ Jurgen "Better Off Alone"
Liquid Child "Diving Faces"
ATB "9PM Till I Come"
These all have simple, catchy and repetitive synths, cheap melodies, limited sound layers. "Better Off Alone" and "Diving Faces" both have simple, catchy, beepy riffs and are stereotypical cheese. A track will also be labelled cheese if it's unoriginal and annoying. take Public Domain "Operation Blade". They new it would be huge if they put in a sample of the Blade theme ("Confusion"). Not only did they rip that from another tune but they used a Public Enemy sample ("bass to your face London") which they didn't get the rights to so they changed it to something which sounded very similar. Warp Brothers "We Will Survive" is another example, just a rip off of Josh Wink "HSOFC". A tune can also be killed by annoying vocals. Fragma "Everytime You Need Me" (the worst "trance" track in existence in my opinion) which suffers from both cheap production and horrendous vocals! That's my definition of cheese for you!
Follow these simple and comprehensive guidelines when looking for good music.
A song immediately sucks if...
A.) It's produced then immediately marketed without it blowing up in the underground scene first.
B.) People who don't understand, nor like trance find the song 'catchy'
C.) The song incessantly drumrolls itself into every plateau.
D.) Twangy synth is used by the specific artist in every damn track. (Die ATB, die!)
E.) You see it advertised on T.V.
A song has merit when...
A.) You hear it on a white label.
B.) It evokes something spiritual when you listen to it.
C.) It defines itself from all other tracks with uniqueness and originality.
D.) Nobody else but you likes it!
E.) The producer has no other motivation than to make music from his/her heart and soul for a select group of avid listeners.
Follow these simple guidelines and you shall be free from all cheese and commercialism in the electronic music industry.
Enjoy,
Default` (Yes, I am from Bluelight)
i disagree with some of your points. i can object to more than a few of your points, here's a few:
"People who don't understand, nor like trance find the song 'catchy' "
not true, a few of my roomates who have never loved trance come to love non-cheesy catchy trance songs darude - sandstorm being one (agian i dont consider tha song cheese). and what about robert miles - children? very catchy yet thats one of the songs that brought many people into trance and its definitly not cheese.
"You see it advertised on T.V. " - thats big bull. michillen (or some other tire company) had azzibo da bass (timo maas mix) as their song, agian that is not cheese.
Darude "Sandstorm" certainally is cheese. It's, simple, repetitive and not even catchy. It's absolutely impossible to even hum!
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