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burning mp3's onto CDs without gaps btwn tracks?!

anyone know how to eliminate the gaps around the mp3 files when burning a music CD (i'm not talking about the gaps that the CD burning program creates but the ones encoded in the mp3 file itself)?

i tried to circumvent the problem by converting the mp3's to wav, but then my Easy CD Creator f-d up the transitions anyway (it made each wav overlap a little with the next).

this is a huge drawback of the mp3 format...i make many coasters this way. ayudame, por favor!

cue + cdrwin

This isn't the appropriate thread to post that kind of question but oh well... try using the search button, this topic has been handled many times
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ghlight=burning

Re: burning mp3's onto CDs without gaps btwn tracks?!

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Originally posted by beat-a-holic anyone know how to eliminate the gaps around the mp3 files when burning a music CD (i'm not talking about the gaps that the CD burning program creates but the ones encoded in the mp3 file itself)? i tried to circumvent the problem by converting the mp3's to wav, but then my Easy CD Creator f-d up the transitions anyway (it made each wav overlap a little with the next). this is a huge drawback of the mp3 format...i make many coasters this way. ayudame, por favor!

well, the only way to really do it it is the rip the tracks as wavs and then encode to mp3,and even then you still hear that little gap. the best way is the download teh cd as one big file and use the cue sheet. or even better way, go purchase the fuckin cd

i think when files are made into mp3s, it cuts off a very very little part of teh file, therefore making it sound somewhat fucked, although i have done it where it hasnt made those gaps,but hey, how about buying the cd and supporting the artist

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Originally posted by Abscond This isn't the appropriate thread to post that kind of question but oh well... try using the search button, this topic has been handled many times http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ghlight=burning

Serious! what does burning MP3s have to do with new releases!?

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Originally posted by Provitex Serious! what does burning MP3s have to do with new releases!?

got me, lol. Closed anyone?

Re: Re: burning mp3's onto CDs without gaps btwn tracks?!

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Originally posted by ilovetrance2k3 i think when files are made into mp3s, it cuts off a very very little part of teh file, therefore making it sound somewhat fucked, although i have done it where it hasnt made those gaps,but hey, how about buying the cd and supporting the artist

It's something about mp3 encoding that makes anything encoded to it have about a .02 or .03 second gap. Might be the way the headers are read, but not all types of compressed audio has gaps, thankfully.

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Originally posted by shao It's something about mp3 encoding that makes anything encoded to it have about a .02 or .03 second gap.

You're right. In an MPEG-1 layer 3 file, the frame size is calculated as:
FrameSize = 144 * BitRate / SampleRate + Padding (if there is padding)

So, the smallest quantised chunk in a 192kbps 44.1kHz mp3 would be 144 * 192000 / 44100 = 626 bytes. 626 bytes is 5008 bits. And that equates to 5008 / 192000 = 0.026 seconds of music. So the extra silence at the end of an mp3 can be up to 0.026 seconds long, which is unavoidable.

Either use a compression format that doesn't have this restriction (tsk tsk, we should all be using OGG Vorbis by now anyway), or convert all your tracks into WAV, use a sound editing program to remove the silence manually, and burn. As for the comment about Easy CD Creator screwing up WAV transitions, either don't enable that overlap mixing thingy, or use something like Nero, which I'd recommend.

Hope that helps,

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You're right. In an MPEG-1 layer 3 file, the frame size is calculated as:

mr_smidge has PhD in Mp3

just use nero express and select the option "no pause inbetween tracks"

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Originally posted by djrory mr_smidge has PhD in Mp3

It's all a cunning attempt to make everybody here think that I'm really weird... must be working

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Originally posted by schmagekie just use nero express and select the option "no pause inbetween tracks"

they're not talkin bout that gap, they're talkin bout the really tiny gap that you still get even when you tell nero to have 0 second gaps

I ain't gonna start reading all the posts but just fucking use an mp3 cutter!

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Originally posted by mr_smidge (tsk tsk, we should all be using OGG Vorbis by now anyway

*checking out ogg vorbis*

bah, it'll never take off.

Whatever happened to bitrates in standard multiples of 16?
Vorbis picks random bitrates from 115kbps to 120kbps?
That would anoy the hell outa me =P
128/160/or 192 4 me.

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Originally posted by doof doofer *checking out ogg vorbis* bah, it'll never take off.

It already has, just not enough.. I use it pretty much exclusively. It's just that educating the public is nigh on impossible, especially when they have mp3 out there already which is "good enough" for most people. It's just that open standards are a lot more important to me, and hence I use Vorbis. Not to mention the much better quality .

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Originally posted by Allied10 Vorbis picks random bitrates from 115kbps to 120kbps? That would anoy the hell outa me =P 128/160/or 192 4 me.

Trust me, it's not random. Think of it as very specific VBR. If a section of music only needs 115kbps, why bother encoding it at the next multiple of 16 when it doesn't need it? It is a comperession algorithm, after all...

P.S. Why is thread still in CD Reviews / Releases? Please move it to the relevant forum room, dear moderator.

In case you're reffering to the tiny 0.02 sec-Gap - it's in the specs of mp3, so you can't avoid it (unless you decode the mp3s to wav-files and cut the silence manualy; but as soon as you encode them back to mp3, the silence will be there again).

Here's my workaround for DJ-Mixes, Liverecordings (where those gaps can get pretty annoying) etc. in Nero:

- activate "remove silence at end of file"

- change the default pause between songs from 2 to 0 seconds. (you have to keep the 2 seconds for the very first track though)

- most important: make a "cross fade with previous track" for each song. This cross fade should only last about 4 frames (which is about 0.05 seconds). You can do this by opening the context menu of a song with right clicking -> properties.

there you go, no gaps whatsoever.

mods: move this one to Frequently Asked Questions / Tutorials / How do I? forum please

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(tsk tsk, we should all be using OGG Vorbis by now anyway)

I know I'm getting a little bit of track, but what's the advantage of using OGG files? Haven't looked into it.

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Originally posted by Piero Cristiani I know I'm getting a little bit of track, but what's the advantage of using OGG files? Haven't looked into it.

You can find complete details at the official website, but to put it simply..

If you want/need a better quality format than mp3, then Ogg Vorbis would be your ideal choice in most cases. It's distinctively better quality than mp3 per bitrate (the normal comparison is that a 128kbps Ogg is of the same quality as a 256kbps mp3 file). But there are other important reasons why you'd choose it over other formats (WMA, etc.)..
Most importantly that it's an open format, not bogged down by patents. This means that anybody can write software that uses Ogg without having to worry about licensing issues (not the case with mp3 and others). And you can be certain that you'll always be able to play back your Ogg files any time in the future (imagine Microsoft decided to charge hugely extortionate royalties for any piece of software/hardware that could play back WMA-encoded songs.. now how the hell do you listen to your old WMA music collection without forking out a mint? - corporate lock-in - it's very bad)

Hope that helps,

Great response, thank you very much.

No problem .

Mods: This thread really should be in the FAQ forum..

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