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Exploration of drums & percussion
okay here's another one of thoose exploration threads again 
my problem is that I suck on creating percussions and drums...I mean I can do a fairly good kick...lay it down in a 4/4 beat but that's about all good I can do with it and I've also noticed that others here in the forum has the same problem
so just type down any good advices you have for creating drums and perc, can be everything from getting that perfect kick to laying down the hihats perfect or whatever
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one thing I use to do with my kicksound is to layer like one kick with a little brighter and more distinct sound together with a deeper kick...that way you can get a bigger range on the kicksound if you know what I mean
Ooh, percs, my favourite subject 
I usually use a shuffled breakbeat loop (take away the bass) on the background, gives a nice touch. I also tend to use varying patterns of closed hihats with subtle clicks and/or bongos...
Uh... that's not much of an advice, is it? It's much harder talking about it than actually doing it... 
I first start with the kick. Usually I use two or more kicks, just like Vizay said: one dry kick to make it punchy and one deeper one to make it rock.
Then I just keep adding stuff, like closed hihats, open hihats, bongos, congas, etc, until I got the sound I want. Just try to give every instrument another rhythm, that will make it sound more richer.
Another thing you can do is sample your favorite track and add it to your mix. I usually sample the beginning of tracks, which contain only percussion and no basses. Mix this with some of your own percussion and you get a pretty professional sounding result in no time.
I also think it depends on what program u use. Most of the time I start with the percussion in Fruityloops, because you can easily add stuff there. Then I export the loop to Cubase or Logic, or I rebuild everything there and add synths, basslines etc...
Hope this helps?
A Great idea, i really hope this thread fills up and teaches me a trick or two 
tezz
I Also suck at percussion 
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Well.. I could make some percussion rex loops if anyone is interested...
Mr.Mystery that sounds like an excelent idea
well for some more things....I've had a friend over yesterday and we co-produced a little....I've suddenly realized that you should not be afraid to use many different percussion-sounds...
I mean right now we have 4 redrums up and we will probably need a fifth :P
Well i learn quickly 
, if i do i will create sum stuff too if im not too occupied people .
tezz
Ok, here's a top little pluggin Scuzz 6
And this is what it can do 2 a hat loop
Hat loop dry
Now 2 with the Scuzz on it
Hat Scuzz 1
Hat Scuzz 2
Hope this is of help
thx m8... cool plugin
It sure is!!!
another important thing to think of when laying down the percussions is to make shure you never have any dead moments...
okay so you didn't quite get what I mean...well as an example...the kick hits every 4:th beat...and then maybe a cymbal every 4:th offbeat...then maybe a ride on the same beats as the kick...
that's a perfectly fine basic setup of percs but it wont sound very spacey and it will defenetly NOT fill the song enough....
what I mean with dead moments is the beats between every 4:th beat and offbeat, try and fill those dead spaces...
shakers and extremly cutoff closed cymbals at fast speeds usually works this problem out
this might have been a bit weird and hard to understand but I hope you got it
I personally think pauses or little silences in your beats can really add some cool effect. Maybe this isn't really something for real trance songs, but if you produce some more progressive tracks, these pauses can really make the track groove.
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| Originally posted by Vizay another important thing to think of when laying down the percussions is to make shure you never have any dead moments... okay so you didn't quite get what I mean...well as an example...the kick hits every 4:th beat...and then maybe a cymbal every 4:th offbeat...then maybe a ride on the same beats as the kick... that's a perfectly fine basic setup of percs but it wont sound very spacey and it will defenetly NOT fill the song enough.... what I mean with dead moments is the beats between every 4:th beat and offbeat, try and fill those dead spaces... shakers and extremly cutoff closed cymbals at fast speeds usually works this problem out this might have been a bit weird and hard to understand but I hope you got it |
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| Originally posted by Damie Mckeown I take it your not a breakbeat fan |
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| Originally posted by ABSYNTH Ok, here's a top little pluggin Scuzz 6 And this is what it can do 2 a hat loop Hat loop dry Now 2 with the Scuzz on it Hat Scuzz 1 Hat Scuzz 2 Hope this is of help |
A bit of a stereo atmosphere on the drums is a must aswell.
E.G. pan some of the perc samples to different speakers. Remember to always keep the bassdrum & clap central, but experiment with everything else.
Also try creating many layers of percussion. Each migh sound simple on its own, but combined can sound awsome.
Dont be afraid to experiment and throw shit in random places. It works somtimes 
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| Originally posted by Bren-F A bit of a stereo atmosphere on the drums is a must aswell. E.G. pan some of the perc samples to different speakers. Remember to always keep the bassdrum & clap central, but experiment with everything else. Also try creating many layers of percussion. Each migh sound simple on its own, but combined can sound awsome. Dont be afraid to experiment and throw shit in random places. It works somtimes |
I think sometimes the minimalist approach can work quite nicely.
For example, I was listening to GTR-Mistral the other day. The percussion is quite solid. They basically put a closed hi-hat (or some metallic sound) every eigth note and a quality hi-hat on the off-beat. Later on the a new hi-hat sample gets introduced but instead of being centered it's panned left, the other one is faded out. Sorry, hard to explain. But the point is, not much is going on but it sounds nice. Work on the eq to really get the percussion sounding the way you want it.
Another piece of advice is to buy quality percussion loops, such as the ones sold by ILIO, and shuffle them. Add a high hat and it sounds pro.
I suck at percussion by the way. Hehe.
and while we're at buying....don't forget to buy the AKAI sample-CD's....they are pure quality
well the minimalist-way might work too, it totally depends on what kind of track your'e making...if you have well say a huuuuuuuuge epic track in creation I think the minimalist percussions might work better so they don't take up 2 much space from the other sounds...
I guess the only good way to know how to lay down your percussions (if we're speaking of minimalistic and non minimalistic only) I think the only way is to just try it out and go with the style that suits the song best....a lot of extra work maybe but in the end it'll be worth it
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| Originally posted by J-LoOks Just like to say thnx alot for all your help buddy , you dont believe how much just these little loops have helped me out Any other tips for us , mayb a nice tut out there. Once again thnx alot |
where can i really get those hi hat sound of close hi hat, open hi hat. and more sample CD. if possible can someone mail me the data ? i need those stuff to carry on my work..
and hi there. im new here!!!!
Hey man sometimes you can take an open hi hat and make it sound closed by jacking with the envelopes on volume and cut. Its pretty cool.
Lots of times I will do that, and use the closed version to just to 16 notes of hitting per bar, it kind of makes it sound simple yet very driven.
I usually use a little reverb on the clap and sometimes the OHH, anyone else do this?
pretty cool. but i cant get teh open hi hat sound. i still trying with that.. perahps someone had the sample that willing to tell me where to get it?
@josh
Any perc sample cd will have an open hi-hat, also, search google for hi-hat samples. Fruity and reason include them as well.
As far as open hi-hat tips go, a good tip is to subtely change the envelope settings for each hi-hat for say 2 bars or so and loop that. This gives it a more human feel.
cheers. thanks mate
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