An analysis of "hate about clubs" thread, and the treatment of partyprincess.

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Posted by Dr. Z on Aug-01-2003 02:23:

An analysis of "hate about clubs" thread, and the treatment of partyprincess.

Good day.

I am beginning a thread that will hopefully bring some insight to the general public of the TOTAs. After I express my opinions, I hope people take it for its descriptive analysis, not assume its a redundant post.

After reading the long 21 page things that piss you off at the club thread, I've observed some behaviour that is (sadly) reaccuring amongst the general TOTA.

First off, I do not know partyprincess, vivid boy, or mjuzik. But I'm using the "clubs" thread as what is shown, and not looking at anything that might have happened in the past, that I was not aware of.

As I was reading the similar posts of the things that pissed people off at clubs I noticed that alot of those things are caused by the people of TOTA. I know people are different, some smoke but others don't; but it is really difficult to label "others" as ginos that do the same things as some TOTAs. I mean: "sweaty ginos, rude ginos, smoking ginos", I've heard it all, and I've seen it all, not only by ginos, but also by TOTAs. So, then I concluded that the only explenation is a clique. Yes, a clique, an obviously usless concept, but blindly unseen by the people that are a part of it.

TOTA, is a clique. Certain people believe that it is a group that belongs only to them. And new memebers are treated poorly. This is exactly what is occuring. It is the same thing that was occuring before with Sane, and with me. In reality it is sad but avoidable if the clique is educated of the situation. In this case it is not.

When, new members express their own personal opinions, they are attacked, almost like they are "too radical". Like their independance will take over the clique, the forum. And the populars would lose their place in the hierarchy. So these populars begin to flame the new members/"radicals" until the followers join the band wagon (I have used this word too many times on this forum ) and continue to flame this "radical" until they stop. This way, things can be kept at "peace" and the: post whores, egoists, idea men, & rest, will remain in their spot.

Respect & love is what binds us all as human beings. It is what allows us to live together and prosper in our spiritual and philosophical evolution. It is something explored and celebrated while partying and listening to music. Why is it that the ravers have it and TOTAs do not. It is love, and respect. I have seen little of it on this forum, and it is one of the primrary reasons why I decided to spend more of my time on different forums.

I hope you all understand that change and personal opinion are normal, and should be explored, not ignored. Flaming and disrespect is everything that our music stands not for. And to break this understanding is to misunderstand the music and the vibe.

All I want from this thread is respect and apology. This can change and people can change. I wish to see people apologize to partyprincess, vivid boy and mjuzik. After all that I have read, they were the ones trying to explain to you guys that all this flaming is not the way to go, that partyprincess was misunderstoon, and that you guys were over-reacting.

PLUR
-Dr. Z

Posted by The Highroller on Aug-01-2003 02:30:

Re: An analysis of "hate about clubs" thread, and the treatment of partyprincess.

quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Z
Good day.

TOTA, is a clique. Certain people believe that it is a group that belongs only to them. And new memebers are treated poorly. This is exactly what is occuring. It is the same thing that was occuring before with Sane, and with me. In reality it is sad but avoidable if the clique is educated of the situation. In this case it is not.

-Dr. Z

I COMPLETELY disagree with this. TOTA welcomed me with out any reservations or akwardness when I went to Talla. I had only been posting on the boards 2 weeks prior to this event and they welcomed me like one of their own.

You are wrong.

Posted by Elmo-On-XTC on Aug-01-2003 02:36:

Good post. TOTA has become a clique. Unless you know some of the main users of the forums, you will get flamed for a opposing opinion.

In some ways the "TOTA Clique" (better name pending) is worse than ginos and/or other similar groups. This is because the arguing and bitching is done OVER THE INTERNET! how lame is that?

Although some things that are said on these forums are not to be taken seriously, there's no reason to post it in the first place.

I know some of you have used the internet for a LONG time and I'd think you'd get used to and accept the different opionions expressed by other users...but i guess not

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Posted by hardcore trancer on Aug-01-2003 02:37:

Re: Re: An analysis of "hate about clubs" thread, and the treatment of partyprincess.

quote:
Originally posted by The Highroller
I COMPLETELY disagree with this. TOTA welcomed me with out any reservations or akwardness when I went to Talla. I had only been posting on the boards 2 weeks prior to this event and they welcomed me like one of their own.

You are wrong.

I must also say that I agree with you on this Graham,I had np problems when I first came to this board.
Also lets not forget this is INTERNET ok??things happen sometimes,flamming happens all the time on messege boards,so it is nothing unusual.
Finally I just wanna warn you all this thread might turn real ugly,so lets just try to keep it cool this time,before all the flamming and hijaking begins!!

Posted by ++ EGO ++ on Aug-01-2003 02:38:

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Posted by Elmo-On-XTC on Aug-01-2003 02:38:

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Posted by Elmo-On-XTC on Aug-01-2003 02:39:

Awseme sig Provitex

Posted by loconet on Aug-01-2003 02:39:

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Posted by ++ EGO ++ on Aug-01-2003 02:42:

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Originally posted by Elmo-On-XTC
True, I think this is because you weren't opposing any opinions in any threads. TOTAs are accepting if you have similar views

I've had my share of disagreement and yet, I still stand!
Not everybody is going to agree with you, and not everybody on this board carries the same view on things...
Sure some people might respond in a negative manner *uhm, rocco, uhm* but! I guess you can't have everyone to agree with you! This is what makes the place fun! But otherwise, it's never too serious. This place has the best environment ever... I havn't even met anybody in person yet, but I hope I do!

quote:
Awseme sig Provitex

Thanks! I had you in-mind while making this (believe it or not )

Posted by loca on Aug-01-2003 02:43:

Re: An analysis of "hate about clubs" thread, and the treatment of partyprincess.

quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Z
And new memebers are treated poorly. This is exactly what is occuring. It is the same thing that was occuring before with Sane, and with me. In reality it is sad but avoidable if the clique is educated of the situation. In this case it is not.

When, new members express their own personal opinions, they are attacked, almost like they are "too radical". Like their independance will take over the clique, the forum. And the populars would lose their place in the hierarchy. So these populars begin to flame the new members/"radicals" until the followers join the band wagon (I have used this word too many times on this forum ) and continue to flame this "radical" until they stop. This way, things can be kept at "peace" and the: post whores, egoists, idea men, & rest, will remain in their spot.

I have to say i disagree. I always felt extremely welcome on TA since i joined even though i haven't even met most of the TOTAs. I've never been flamed for any of the opinions i've expressed before.
Some of the people you mention being flamed here have been part of TA for longer than i have.
There's a good reason behind the flaming but i'm not going to get into it this time. It's getting tiring.

Posted by wimon on Aug-01-2003 03:11:

once upon a time...

Posted by Dr. Z on Aug-01-2003 03:13:

Elmo understands it.

quote:
True, I think this is because you weren't opposing any opinions in any threads. TOTAs are accepting if you have similar views...or don't cause controversy

You guys aren't disagreeing with me. You are agreeing with my theory. Saying that new "radicals" are mis-treated.

Posted by AmbiguousBliss on Aug-01-2003 03:18:

Drazen, I agree and disagree with various points you made. (T'is only natural, no?) But I'm not gonna ramble on about why.

I dislike it when people beat dead horses, even though they're already dead. I think some more chillaxin' needs to be done around here.

It's actually illegal to drag a dead horse down Yonge St. on a Sunday.

Posted by Crazy Serb on Aug-01-2003 03:19:

Excellent theory, makes a whole lot of no sense... now STFU and go out & get a life instead of bitching here over an issue like that. Thank you.

Posted by tha_broad on Aug-01-2003 03:21:

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Posted by drgoodvibe on Aug-01-2003 03:23:

hrmm I dunno I was accepted fairly quickly by the TOTA gang even when I disagree with some of them. I went to the first TOTA meetup at system only after two months of posting on TA, and everyone was very friendly.. heh I still remmeber the conversation with a drunken certain Diginut .. lol TOO funny!! I'm looking forward to tommorow night! All in all I think it comes down to respect, you can disagree with people on issues, but if you just go after a persons personal attributes then thats when things get out of hand. *shrug* my .50 CENT!

Posted by Mako on Aug-01-2003 03:24:

quote:
Originally posted by AmbiguousBliss
I dislike it when people beat dead horses, even after they're [i]

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OMFG YOU JACKED ONE OF MY PHRASES!!!!

*flame flame flame flame*

on a serious note...like i said before, if you don't like the person ignore him or her. FFS is it that fucking hard?

tell them Fuck you and goodbye, and voila you avoid ulcers from the stress when you get older...

Posted by drgoodvibe on Aug-01-2003 03:25:

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Originally posted by tha_broad
same with me.....i joined april....its now july an i....*sniff* i feel like part of the family *sniff sniff*

awwwwwwwwwwww.. how cute! We lub you too..

Posted by dEsidEL on Aug-01-2003 03:30:

i post on other boards apart from TA. And when I first joined these boards, including this one, i was careful not to speak my mind right away. Instead I tried getting a feeling of how people reacted to certain comments and the persona of the virtual community. It's okay to disagree with people, no one here is suggesting that only certain views be allowed. I think what the issue is, is the manner in which these views are expressed.

oh yea.. and then there's always that ignore button which is available at any time.

Posted by LKD on Aug-01-2003 04:21:

i completely disagree with u Dr. Z...

since:

1. Partyprincess aint a newbie...shes been around for a loong time. I have been friendly with her online (and when she says something i dotn agree with, of course i state otherwise..its human)

2. on the theory of nebies with "radical" ideas...thers a reason for TOTAs not liking that....heres a scenerio:

you walk down a street and u see a bunch of Goths having a friendly discussion etc. u go straight up and act like ur part of them but calling them names or making jokes about their appearance or something of that nature like u would in a group of your own.

how do u think they would react??

they wouldnt like it cos they dont know u AT ALL and ur jsut butting in and acting like uve known them for years.

the way anyone would get into a group is by being nice, knowing them for a bit, getting to know the others and then putting up their "ideas" (which i didnt find any "radicals" doin) and basically talkin freely with acceptance from the others knowing that ur part of the big family.

yea we may be a clique. but u know what?? any TA that has personally met another face to face, even if they have flamed the fuck out of the other on the boards will know that its nothing personal said on tehse forums and knows how the person is.

partyprincess and Mjuzik (or whatever his name is) have never done that...

i have flamed/argued with many TAs before meeting them..and u know what?? they walk up to me or see me at a party and i dont bitch at them cos of something they said on teh boards..cos this is nothing that should be taken seriously...

i have been told to lighten up on the boards myself..im not denying that i take everything lightly on here...you should do the same and actually get to know us..

thats all i gotta say

Posted by StereoPrincess on Aug-01-2003 04:28:

quote:
Originally posted by dEsidEL
oh yea.. and then there's always that ignore button which is available at any time.

Thank God!

But I also think that there is one thing to state your opinion in a respectful fashion and another to state it in an arrogant fashion that puts everyone elses opinions down. I think that some of these people that are asking for the boards to be open minded and accepting are just being hypocrites at heart. Practice what you preach. Don't tell me to be open-minded and accept your opinion if you won't even consider that there could be another side to the story.

Posted by LKD on Aug-01-2003 04:29:

quote:
Originally posted by StereoPrincess
Thank God!

But I also think that there is one thing to state your opinion in a respectful fashion and another to state it in an arrogant fashion that puts everyone elses opinions down. I think that some of these people that are asking for the boards to be open minded and accepting are just being hypocrites at heart. Practice what you preach. Don't tell me to be open-minded and accept your opinion if you won't even consider that there could be another side to the story.

holy crap...why do u always have to have better reasoning than me

i dont like ur ideas....shoo

Posted by charmscars on Aug-01-2003 04:34:

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quote:
Originally posted by Elmo-On-XTC
True, I think this is because you weren't opposing any opinions in any threads. TOTAs are accepting if you have similar views...or don't cause controversy

well, i feel that i have found acceptance regardless of having some unpopular beliefs (feminism/gay postive etc). i think that teh people that have been ostracized have often been ppl that did not adhere to the PLUR concept that you signed off w/ drazen. but i appreciate the time and thought that went into that post.

drazen: hugs to you

taraxo

Posted by StereoPrincess on Aug-01-2003 04:41:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
holy crap...why do u always have to have better reasoning than me

i dont like ur ideas....shoo

This is a prime example of how some fights start. A person replies and his post can go both ways. But I have been around long enough to know that this is LKD and that's how he posts. It doesn't piss me off as much as it did when he first started posting.

I'm not against new people, I'm against new people thinking they hold the key to all of worlds problems. Learn about the world first and then try to change it.

Posted by Durafei on Aug-01-2003 05:01:

Some people here take things tooo seriously. I'm sure Partyprincess is sitting and laughing now at the kind of shit that's going on here.

To me tranceaddict is a forum where I can kill time, and then party with some of the people here that I like.

BTW, Z's post has some truth to it.. Guess what would happen if some Gino came here and started expressing his views? What would happen? He'd get flamed.

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