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Traktor Neuling sucht....
...einen Lehrmeister der mir hilft in das programm reinzukommen! hab leider absolut keine erfahrung damit, m�chte aber von mixmeister umsteigen, damit ich sch�n langsam das gef�hl f�r richtiges beat matching bekomme 
kennt sich also wer mit dem programm aus und kann mir �ber icq oder chat ein paar grundlegende sachen zeigen, die das programm kann?
schonmal danke im voraus! :-)
meine icq nummer is 43095330
hab auch erst vor 2 tagen damit angefangen aber mit dem quick guide und dem netten flash dingens auf der hp hab ich mich sehr schnell reingefunden..
schau dir mal das quick guide an, dann weisst schonmal welche kn�pfe f�r was da sind. is schon die halbe miete
Wir sollten einen unserer Top-DJs echt mal zu einem Beat-Matching lehrgang verpflichten. Ich komme auch nicht so recht klar und habe nirgendwo eine chance an Turntables oder so zu �ben. Und f�r Traktor scheint mir irgendwie die Praktische erfahrung zu fehlen :/
Kann man sowas nicht mal im Rahmen der allgemeinen GTA-Weiterbildung machen 
das f�nd ich auch geil 
setzt euch mal mit liquid v in verbindung ! das ist der absolute peiler !!!!
Wir haben sooo viele gute DJs. Da muss man bestimmt was organsieren k�nnen.
Ich weiss, dass TranceRulez ab und zu ganz nette Sachen mit Tracktor macht. Wenn er aus dem Urlaub wieder da ist kann er Euch bestimmt den ein oder anderen Tip(p <- nach neuer Rechtschreibung, wie ich vor kurzem gelernt habe 
) geben.
ich br�uchte schon mehr als ein paar Tipps. <- wir hatten bereits letztes Jahr einen Rechtschreibekurs f�r die neue Schreibweise in meiner Firma 
Das Problem ist, ich habe mir schon so einiges durchgelesen, das meiste leider in Englisch aber ich raffs einfach net. Die vielen M�glichkeiten in Traktor und die ganzen technischen Beschreibungen machen mich irgendwie kirre. 
Ich br�uchte nen kleinen Einsteigersworkshop, wo die Basics in einer Sprache, die ich verstehe, erkl�rt werden und auf den ich aufbauen kann. Falls jemand die Zeit und das Wissen dazu hat, das zu machen w�re das echt geil.
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| Originally posted by TomTom Ich br�uchte nen kleinen Einsteigersworkshop, wo die Basics in einer Sprache, die ich verstehe, erkl�rt werden und auf den ich aufbauen kann. Falls jemand die Zeit und das Wissen dazu hat, das zu machen w�re das echt geil. |
Hehe.. ich k�nnt auch nen Crashkurs gebrauchen.. aber dann w�re es wirklich besser, das hier im forum zu erledigen, als �ber icq.. dann h�tten mehr leute was davon mit weniger arbeit.
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ganz genau! *um nen workshop sticky thread f�r Traktor bettel*
das wird jetzt ein bisschen lang aber den Soundforge workshop habe ich mal f�r ne Ami-website geschrieben, so in etwa w�rde ich mir das vorstellen, Schritt f�r Schritt, ganz langsam und kleine Br�tchen backen:
This is for all those non DJ�s (as me) who want to do some simple editing or cut bad parts of recorded sets out and do some easy transitions for a mixed-CD or something like that. I will reduce my explanations to a few topics only which don�t need too much time to get in touch with but bring out satisfying results.
To get a badly restricted demo version (no saving, 2 minutes limitation) of Soundforge, you can visit their homepage http://www.sonicfoundry.com . This software costs 349 $ in the internet download version and is designed for professional use, but you can do some cool stuff with it without reading 300 pages.
Ok, now as we all have bought Soundforge (from now on called SF) and the full version is installed we can go ahead.
1.1 - The easy warm-up introduction : Cutting
You have a set or live broadcast from your favourite band which starts or ends abruptly and when you burn it to CD and listen loud to it, it sounds quite disturbing. Why not either cutting some piece off or fade the tune slowly in?
Run SF, go to the menu entry �File� (first one to the left in the menu) and say �open�. In the box which appears now, you can choose which type of file you wanna open (WAV, MP3, CDA ((CD Audio) e. g.)).
SF starts to encode it to a WAV-file (if is is not yet) and creates a file with sound informations which takes a short while. When It is finished you will see both channels of the file.
The file you wanna edit has a bad ending (commercials, interviews) and you wanna get rid of it. So simply scroll forward (using the arrow to the left or to the right to scroll fluently to the file or click the symbols to the left to jump to the start or the end of the file.
Click to the position where you want the file to end and hold the left mouse-button and move the mouse to the right so the part you wanna cut off is highlighted. Either right-click the mouse to open the context-menu and say �Cut� or point to to the menu entry �Edit� and say �Cut� there.
1.2 The easy warm-up introduction : Fade in/fade out
Now you�ve cut the piece off you didn�t want to keep at all but the end is abrupt and not smooth enough for your ears and you need to make a fade-out at the end so you can listen to it without getting fucked up hearing it loudly.
Point again to the position where the fade-out shall start, right-click and drag the mouse while holding the left mouse button to the right to mark the whole sequence from the start to the end. Go to the menu � �Process� and then "Fade". You can either do it the lazy way and say fade out which will do an automatic (and depending on the length of the sequence dynamically) fade out from maximum loudness to silence.
The other way is to make it indididually by clicking (same menu entry as before) �Fade� and then �Graphic�. Now a box opens and you can adjust the sequence as you like it. You can set markers as many as you like to create the fade-out you intend to do. To the left is the start and to the right the ending point of the sequence, 100 % is max loudness, 0 is zero.
When you are finished, click OK and SF will do the rest for you. You can listen to it afterwards and if you don�t like what you�ve done, go to the menu, �Edit� and say "Undo...."(last operation will be listed) or use the shortcut Ctrl � Z as in all other windows applications and everything will be as it was before.
1.3 The easy warm-up introduction : Volume
Ok, now you have your file with a fade-out ending but the recorded is to silent at all so you have to raise up the volume on your amplifier and when you forget about it and put the next, louder recorded, CD in you and/or your neighbors get an unwanted surprising moment. :grin:
Use the shortcut Ctrl-A to mark the whole file (you can do this for parts of the file by pointing to the start of the part where you wanna raise or lower the volume, right-click and move the mouse to the right to where the end should be either) and go to the menu entry �Process� and then the last entry on the popup list �Volume�. There you can easily put the volume settings below or higher than 0 db (100 %). Clicking OK makes SF do the action for you.
You can also �ab�-use the fade graphic function of SF to make volume corrections precisely (also helpful when you mix 2 tracks together, see chapter 2,2 "Mixing" for more details). Mark the part that needs to be adjusted and go to the SF-menu, �Process�, then �Fade Graphic� and reduce or raise the volume with as many ups and downs as you like. Simply left click to create a new point and drag the mouse up or down to adjust the line. Click ok and that�s it.
2.1 The deeper lessions � Crossfade
in this section I have some seperate tracks and I wanna create a mixed CD to do a best of or to make a gift to a friend. There are 2 ways you can do this pretty good with SF.
First I will concentrate on the easier way, crossfading the tracks.
Crossfading means to lower the volume of the actual track and bringing the following track in, raising the volume of it until it has reached 100 %. It�s no real mixing but may be enough if you need a fast result or the tracks won�t absolutely fit together when you try to mix them (see chapter 2.2 �Mixing�)
Open the first file with SF, then open the second one. Mark the second song (Strg-A, as described in chapter 1.3 �Volume�) and right-click on the file and say �copy�. Close the second song (SF menu �File� then "Close�).
Left-click to the point of the file where you wanna start the crossfade and and drag the mouse to the end of the file to the right. Then in the SF-menu �Edit� go to �Paste special� and then �Crossfade�. Then a window pops up. In it you can adjust exactly if the song that enters should start from silent to loud or vice versa, same for the track which fades out.
Click ok and SF will do the rest and you can hear the results and decide whether to undo the crossfade action or to keep it. Now you have your 2 songs crossfaded together and you can do the rest of your nonstop-mixed CD in the same way. Of course you can paste the songs behind each other to get one set, too. Simply open song one, then song two and copy the second song as described before, close the 2nd track and jump to the end of the first song, right click and say �paste�.
2.2 The deeper lessions � Mixing
Now for the last and most interesting but also most difficult part. You wanna make a real mix-CD with your favourite tracks.
As described in chapter 2.1, open the first file with SF, then open the second one. Mark the second song (Strg-A, as described in chapter 1.3 �Volume�) and right-click on the file and say �Copy�. Close the second song (SF menu �File� then "Close�).
After you have listened and figured out what the most accurate position will be where the mixing-in of the second track should start, left-click on the point of the file where you want it to happen and again, drag the mouse while holding the mouse button pressed to the right end of the track and go to the SF-menu �Edit�, then �Paste Special�, then �Mix�.
In the upcoming box you can adjust at what volume the mixing will start and end. You can do this seperated for both the ending and the starting song. Click ok and SF starts mixing it.
This action will (same with crossfading) take some time, the longer the part you wanna mix in is, the longer it takes. (an half an hour long file takes about 1 min 30 for me on AMD Athlon 1200, the faster your processor is, the faster the mixing will be done)
Don�t be dissapointed when your first tries lead to strange or bad results. It�s quite hard sometimes to find the right place where you put the track in. Preparing the second, to be mixed in, track with a smooth graphic fade in before you copy and mix it in can be helpful.
If you notice that the 2 beats of the tracks you have mixed don�t go synchrone, you can undo the mixing action (menu SF �Edit� then �Undo Mix�) and SF will get you back and leaves the part you marked highlighted. Now you can use the magnifiers and raise the size to see a more detailed version of the file and drag the mouse, holding the left mouse button, to the right or to the left to mix it let�s say 1/10 second later or earlier in. As you can see in the pic below, with Soundforge you can arrange it very precisely if it is needed.
3. Finishing moves � Saving and choosing the bitrate
When you have done the work and wanna save the results, Soundforge offers you some good options because SF can handle different sound standards.
Whenever you load a file to Soundforge or record with it, SF creates a WAV-file so you have free choice what to do with it. Go to the menu, then "File", then say "Save file as", in the upcoming window chose the filetype mp3 or wav (or whatever you want it to be. If you choose mp3 you can go 2 lines down where it says "Template" and there you can choose whatever resolution you may like (Warning! : the standard resolution for SF is 64 kb and whenever you change the saving method from wav to mp3 or whatever, it will turn again to 64kb which will lead to a sucking and inacceptable sound quality).
Cheers
Tom
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| Originally posted by cAtraXx Wir sollten einen unserer Top-DJs echt mal zu einem Beat-Matching lehrgang verpflichten. |
so gern ich auch das erkl�ren w�rde, man kann nicht viel erkl�ren, insbesondere �bers netz. man entwickelt halt selber nach etlicher zeit ein geh�r daf�r, das muss jeder f�r sich erlernen
Man k�nnte das ja an eine Party ankn�pfen 
*mit Alkohol lock*
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| Originally posted by cAtraXx Man k�nnte das ja an eine Party ankn�pfen *mit Alkohol lock* |
wo wir gerade beim thema sind... w�rde gerne mal von zeit zu zeit nen live traktor mix �bern shoutcast streamen.. gibts hier welche die da fit sind bzw suche eigentlich ne m�glichkeit mehr als 2-3 user begl�cken zu k�nnen, durch meine bandbreite allerdings nich m�glich. gibts da ne m�glichkeit den flaschenhals zu umgehen ??
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| Originally posted by DJHypermaniac wo wir gerade beim thema sind... w�rde gerne mal von zeit zu zeit nen live traktor mix �bern shoutcast streamen.. gibts hier welche die da fit sind bzw suche eigentlich ne m�glichkeit mehr als 2-3 user begl�cken zu k�nnen, durch meine bandbreite allerdings nich m�glich. gibts da ne m�glichkeit den flaschenhals zu umgehen ?? |
schick mir ne PM mit datum + zeit, ich schick dir eine mit adresse und password
danke nochmal an deekay f�r den fetten shoutcast server 
war zwar nur mittelm��ig gut besucht aber weiss man ja vorher nich. meine ersten erfahrungen mit traktor.. super tool, hat alles was man braucht.
zwei kleine wehrmutstropen:
1. pitch fader macht zu grosse spr�nge zwischen zwei werten. so muss ich immer mit dem bender on the fly nachregeln
2. der pitch bender leiert. kommt dadurch das dieser abrupt wieder abbremst. hatte ich bei virtual turntables nie das problem..
ahja wen es interessiert... playlist war wie folgt
1. airwave - when things go wrong
2. three drives - carrera 2
3. tranquility base - razorfish (above & beyond progressive mix)
4. 2 players - signet (original mix)
5. ariane - eternity (original mix)
6. james holden - a break in the clouds (main mix)
7. pete lazonby - sacred cycles (quivver rmx)
8. everything but the girl - temperamental (hex hector rmx)
9. hydra - affinity (original mix)
10. matti laamanen - flakes
11. exposure - magic impuls (original mix)
12. mono - rise
hyper... dat heisst nicht mono - rise sondern moon - rise... is �brigens Airbase.
Joah, ich hab jetzt 2 Mixe infolge gemacht, mit denen ich mehr als zufrieden bin:
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TranceRulez & DJ Poli - June 2003 01 Viframa - Cristalla (Katana vs. DJ Precision RMX) 02 Unknown Source - Nadjanema 03 System F - Spaceman (Matti Lamaanen RMX) 04 Goldenscan - Sunrise (Ronski Speed 2003 Mix) 05 Rank 1 - Breathing (Push Dub Edit) 06 Pesh - Overload 07 Musix - Forgotten 08 Robert Gitelman - Things to say (M.I.K.E. RMX) 09 DJ Danjo & Rob Styles - Witness (Katana RMX) 10 Kota - Waiting (Darren Tate vs. Mike Koglin RMX) 11 Dark Monks - Insane (Steve Murano Vocal RMX) 12 Ficitivision vs. C-Quence - Symbols 13 Kyau vs. Albert - Velvet morning (Mirco de Govia RMX) 14 Matti Laamanen - Flakes (Original Mix) 15 Pulser - My religion trax mixed with traktor WITHOUT PRE-LISTENING! |
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TranceRulez - July 2003 01 Midway - Amazon (Original Mix) 02 Rank 1 presents Mac J - Perfect bonde (Original Mix) 03 M.I.D.O.R. and Six4Eight - Cloud city (Original Mix) 04 Aspiration - Amobea (Original Mix) 05 Christian Rusch & Greg Murray - Epic (Above & Beyond RMX) 06 The Mystery - Feel 4 you (Dub Mix) 07 Robert Gitelman - Things 2 say (Original Mix) 08 Envio - Touched by the sun (Christian Rusch & DJ Elusive Mix) 09 Jacob & Mendez - Deception (Benicio RMX) 10 The Roc Project feat. Tina Arena - Never past tense (Filterheadz luv Tina Dub) 11 Greg Murray - I feel loved (Dub Mix) 12 NRC - Here comes the rain (Push Instrumental RMX) 13 G&M Project - Control of your mind (Vocal RMX) 14 Dirty Bass - Emotional soundscape (Originial Mix) trax mixed with traktor WITHOUT PRE-LISTENING! |
ach und noch was:
Mit Traktor 2 komme ich nicht klar. Ich benutze 1.
das es airbase is war mir bewusst..
aber moon ?? auf armin's hp und auch in den hubs heisst es mono. unter moon auch nix zu finden. sicher ???
�hmm ja nochmal was zu traktor und shoutcast.. da einige meiner zuh�rer sich �ber mein abscheuliches mixing beklagten hab ich mal nachgeforscht und rausgefunden dass shoutcast selbst alle kan�le streamt also auch den monitorchannel. ist dann auch kein wunder. jemand ne l�sung f�r dieses problem? w�sste da was indem ich �ber loopback kabel aus dem korrekten ausgang in den line in zur�ckgehe und im mixer setup unter windows line in als aufnahmesteuerung aktiviere. aber so is qualit�tsverlust.. jemand ne idee ???
Fand den Mix gut bis auf das Problem mit dem vorh�ren der Tracks was wir ja mitbekommen haben!!!
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| TranceRulez - August 2003 01 2 Players - Pitch & Shela (Original Mix) 02 Ron van den Beuken - Timeless (Ron van den Beuken RMX) 03 Ralphie B. vs. Airbase - Massive rise (Bootleg) 04 Push - Journey of life (Original Mix) 05 Push - Journey of life (Rank1 RMX) 06 Kansai - Remember this night (Kansai Dub) 07 Octagen - Curium (Greg Murray RMX) 08 Fictivision vs. C-Quence - Symbols (Mesh RMX) 09 Three Drives - Greece 2000 (G & M Project RMX) 10 Signum - Push through (Original Mix) 11 DJ Sammy - Sunlight (Driftwood RMX) 12 M.I.D.O.R. vs. Six4Eight - Cloud City (Original Mix) 13 Gabriel & Dresden presents: Motorcycle - As the rush comes (Sweeping Strings RMX) |
vor allem das letzte Lied, mein absoluter Liebling...
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| Originally posted by DJHypermaniac aber moon ?? auf armin's hp und auch in den hubs heisst es mono. unter moon auch nix zu finden. sicher ??? |
http://www.airbase.nu/news.html
da stehts wieder anders. und was nu richtig ?
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