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Posted by Haunted on Aug-10-2003 22:40:

how do you b-match? moni or hp

ive always learned to beatmatch inside my headphones,with both songs cued, now i recently tried the method with one ear in headphones(with cued song) and listening to the monitor with the live song. obviously this way is harder. but which way do you guys do it?

Posted by _-MIl0 on Aug-10-2003 23:24:

i do with one ear on and the other ear out, is fine for me couse this is how i did it since i started djing, i like it. -

Posted by Freak on Aug-10-2003 23:49:

Split cue- one in each headphone cup.
I just prefer it that way- and i dont f8ck up my ears from having a loud monitor blasting out (i work 5 nites a week so i have to be careful)
I have the ability to have one cup on and use the monitor if needs be- this is how i did it for ages , but generally i use the split.

Posted by Izzy on Aug-11-2003 00:27:

I beat match using the headphones only, most all mixers now-a-days have those pre-crossfader (master/cue) for your headphones only. By DJ'ing around quite often i've learned you can never trust having a monitor. plus i think its far more accurate listening to both the beats in the headphones alone, much more isolated and precise.

Posted by RobertRollie on Aug-11-2003 10:57:

Depends on the setup, but usually i mix with one ear in and one ear out. I like to be able to fade the headphones between the cue track and the live track, so i can hear a bit of both, but not all mixers have this functionality.

Posted by Flash Bastard on Aug-11-2003 15:20:

HEADPHONES only ... i think you never realy can go wrong with that

Posted by dknylady on Aug-11-2003 15:21:

i'm able to beatmatch with one ear in and out, but i find it much harder. when you beatmatch within your headphones, using that beautiful headphone cue xfader (i love that thing) both of your songs are about the same volume, as opposed to your monitor blasting much louder than your phones, making it difficult to really hear what's going on.
plus , about 1 or 2 months into dj'ing, i used to match with one ear in and out. then someone told me to try it in the headphones, and all of the sudden, my ear 'clicked' and i could really hear the perfect match (when it happened). so it helped to train my ear as well.

but i always mix in using one ear cued all the way to the incoming track and the other on the monitor.

Posted by Haunted on Aug-11-2003 18:33:

if i do it with 1 ear, should i be using split cue?

Posted by Nabistai on Aug-11-2003 18:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Haunted
if i do it with 1 ear, should i be using split cue?

yes

Posted by Haunted on Aug-11-2003 18:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Haunted
if i do it with 1 ear, should i be using split cue?

nm that was stupid

Posted by IntegraR0064 on Aug-11-2003 21:06:

I do it one ear in and one out....since you can do that on any mixer, plus i like it better. i actually learned using the cue/master knob but then switched. I like this way better because you can just separate your ears...it's much easier to instinctively know which one is faster. i just kind of bob my head and switch between listening with my left ear and right ear...and if one's out of sync, i know which one it is without even thinking. It works especially well when you don't know the song that well...like if you're mixing using master/cue in your headphones you have to know which drum is which and whatnot.

Sometimes I'll do extreme fine tuning in the headphones, once they're matched. A lot of times I'm sure they're matched and i don't..whereas sometimes i'm not sure if they're very slightly off, so i put both ears on after something like 30 beats and move the knob around for a while to check.

Split cueing...that's a different story. If I had that i'd probably use it a lot of the time. But my mixer is cheap.

Posted by Haunted on Aug-12-2003 04:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Nabistai
yes

why? i just tried it all that does is cut out the right cup and sends everythin to the left cup

i can turn off playing song,so that all i have in my left cup is the cued song,but whats the point? if i have my right cup off my ear, and im listening just to the left cup. and i turn split cue on and off,you cant even notice.. so why ?

Posted by IntegraR0064 on Aug-12-2003 06:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Haunted
why? i just tried it all that does is cut out the right cup and sends everythin to the left cup

i can turn off playing song,so that all i have in my left cup is the cued song,but whats the point? if i have my right cup off my ear, and im listening just to the left cup. and i turn split cue on and off,you cant even notice.. so why ?

I think he meant you should use the split cueing. Like put both headphones on. Then turn on split cueing.

If you're not listening to the headphone it doesn't matter what's going through it.

Posted by ClubHarder on Aug-12-2003 13:10:

I use the monitor method myself, and then sometimes use split cue to fine tune jus b4 bringin the tune in
I learned using split cue originally, then swapped round to usin the monitor, jus felt more comfortable for me, its all about what feels rite for urself i guess

Posted by Haunted on Aug-12-2003 18:28:

i was messin around with my split cue option last night on my 275

on the left cup it plays whatever you have cued,you can have both songs cued at the same time and listen to them in the left cup

in the right cup it plays the master channel

Posted by Freak on Aug-12-2003 19:21:

I wear my headphones wrong ear on- ie right cup on left ear etc.

I just prefer to hear the cue on my right ear and the output in my left.
experiment a bit and find what you find most comfortable and easiest.

Posted by JayKuE on Aug-12-2003 20:04:

both ways are fine.
tho i find with single monitoring, there's a lil lag from the monitors compared to headphones. maybe its my imagination? either way, it doesn't effect syncing ur beats, but come cueing and being in the mix, i dont feel so in control compared to mixing split cue with both cups.

anybody notice a slight lag with single monitoring?
or is it just me?

Posted by Haunted on Aug-12-2003 23:45:

i noticed with split cue on,and say i have record 2 cued and record 1 is playing live and not cued with the mixer.. i can still hear a little of record 1 in my left cup,is that done on purpose to help matching?

Posted by IntegraR0064 on Aug-13-2003 03:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Haunted
i noticed with split cue on,and say i have record 2 cued and record 1 is playing live and not cued with the mixer.. i can still hear a little of record 1 in my left cup,is that done on purpose to help matching?

Yes. That's what split cue is....

If you wanted the cued song in both ears...you'd just do the normal mode..

Posted by IntegraR0064 on Aug-13-2003 03:15:

quote:
Originally posted by JayKuE
both ways are fine.
tho i find with single monitoring, there's a lil lag from the monitors compared to headphones. maybe its my imagination? either way, it doesn't effect syncing ur beats, but come cueing and being in the mix, i dont feel so in control compared to mixing split cue with both cups.

anybody notice a slight lag with single monitoring?
or is it just me?

Yeah definitely. It depends how your monitors are set up...but sound takes a while to get from the monitors to your ears.

It took me a while to get used to, but now when the mix "clicks" in my head or whatever and they're matched...it includes the lag in there so they actually are perfectly matched. Know what i'm saying?

Posted by nebbian on Aug-13-2003 03:50:

Making a split mixer

Hey,

I taught myself to mix using a really really dodgy setup with no guidance from anyone, and I found split mixing easier. When I upgraded my mixer to one actually designed for DJing, it didn't have split mixing, and I find that using the monitor isn't as accurate as a well setup split mix.

SOOOOoooo... what's a good electronics guru to do but build his own?

This one's quite simple, you need two 6mm stereo plugs, and a female stereo 6mm socket. Connect the left of one plug to the left in the socket, and the right of the other plug to the right of the socket.

Put one plug in the headphones out of your mixer, and the other plug in the headphones out of your amp/effects unit. Then, plug your phones into the female socket (no jokes please). Bingo, instant split mix functionality.

I practice in an apartment, so can't really blast out a monitor at 3am -- so this way I can hear the output channel really easily in the right, with my cue in the left.

Posted by Alekos on Aug-13-2003 17:52:

Listening to both channels in the headphones I am dead against it.
Always listen to the track you're bringin in in your headphones.
This way when you have to bend it is never a luck thing.
I had a friend who learnt on a gemini mixer which has the split cue function.For two years, friend told him to give up the habit.Nowadays all the clubs are switchin to DJM 500 mixers which dont have a split cue[cue-program]function and he's finding it really tough to adapt.

So dont make yourself dependent to a particular type of mixer.
Also cue program if ok if you have to mix club,house or trance track which have long beat intros.If you have to mix any other genre of music say hip hop or pop where the vocals start immediately then you will hear two set sof tunes and vocals in your head phones and find it very confusin.

Just get use to >. One hear in the other out > I didn't want to put this example BUT .... what Pvd, Tiesto, AvB, etc..... DO ? ONE IN THE OTHER OUT

Posted by Haunted on Aug-13-2003 19:09:

why is your friend havin a hard time adapting? split cue is basically the same as normal mode if you just use the left cup

Posted by Alekos on Aug-13-2003 21:13:

Yes he is having a hard time adapting !
don't u use Both cups during mixing ?

Posted by Haunted on Aug-13-2003 21:59:

not anymore. but if he used to use split cue,that means he just did the left cue also, so without split cue, it would be the same. except in the right cue would be the master instead of cued song.

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