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Posted by Lira on Aug-11-2003 01:34:

industrial / electronics / power noise

So... I was looking for any info in these genres... even because, apart from industrial, I haven't got a clue of what it is. I just suppose it's electronic music

Can anyone help me out? What is it? Where did it come from? What are the sub-genres?
If you guys could recommend some tunes, I would appreciate it too


Posted by Noisician on Aug-11-2003 02:00:

do u use soulseek? if yes, pm me. i'll give u my screen name so u can dl a bunch of power noise tracks from me.


Posted by Cyberwoo on Aug-11-2003 08:54:

Worship Satan. He is your leader. Kill kitties kill!


Posted by Dark Apostle on Aug-11-2003 09:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyberwoo
Worship Satan. He is your leader. Kill kitties kill!


Did Kill Kitties Kill! bring out any good tracks? Their name sounds interesting
Worship Satan sounds a bit like a clich� death metal or some grindcore group.
He Is Our Leader is powermetal...right?...right?



For some sweet noize, check out stuff by Merzbow.
Dulce Liquido (said to be the ppl behind Hocico) makes sweet power electro (reaxxxion all the way baby )


Posted by DarkViper on Aug-11-2003 09:49:

I know it's a little off-topic. But I'm curious: what is "Power Noise"? I've never heared of that genre before, so if you wouldn't mind to describe it or give me some "reference"-track-examples

Thanks


Posted by Dark Apostle on Aug-11-2003 09:52:

quote:
Originally posted by DarkViper
I know it's a little off-topic. But I'm curious: what is "Power Noise"? I've never heared of that genre before, so if you wouldn't mind to describe it or give me some "reference"-track-examples

Thanks


I know about power electro, but power noise....noise is already raw and hard as it is. So I don't know why anyone would say: This is no noise, this is power noise!!!! Maybe Maaz misplaced the word power


Posted by TwoPlow on Aug-11-2003 10:15:

Well, you asked about industrial, so I feel I must step in

Einst�rzende Neubauten is a good choice if you want to get the feel of what industrial was when they essentially invented it. I prefer their newer stuff, Noise just isn't my style for the most part. Great band though.

KMFDM and Ministry are good if you want industrial with very angsty lyrics and guitars with plenty of synth's and loops. KMFDM is my favorite non-trance group.

Front 242 is a good example of the more electronic side of industrial, if not at all dancy. Still, good stuff.

VNV Nation/Covenant/Assemblage 23 are good bands that are more of the dancey or synth-poppy side of Industrial.

Bile is a great band, and while staying industrial, they have a very Metal sound to them.

Noisex might be what you're really looking for. They're a cross between Industrial and Noise. Great band.

Front Line Assembly is your standard industrial band. The only way to describe them, is that they sound industrial. Still with a unique sound though, and very good.


I probably said a whole lot more than you needed to hear, and I didn't say half of what I could have, but I fear to bore you or give unnecassary info. Industrial is what I know the most about, so I said my piece. PM me or whatever if you need to know more.

Cheers.


Posted by Noisician on Aug-11-2003 14:22:

quote:
Originally posted by DarkViper
I know it's a little off-topic. But I'm curious: what is "Power Noise"? I've never heared of that genre before, so if you wouldn't mind to describe it or give me some "reference"-track-examples

Thanks


http://www.eraseronline.com/eolaud....powernoise.html


Posted by Dark Apostle on Aug-11-2003 15:00:

What's the big difference between noise and power noise.

Is Merzbow power noise or just noise?


Posted by Cyberwoo on Aug-11-2003 15:07:

quote:
What's the big difference between noise and power noise.



LOL. It's funny cuz it is a real question.


Posted by Lira on Aug-11-2003 15:16:

TwoPlow, I'm gonna send you a PM soon
quote:
Originally posted by Dark Apostle
What's the big difference between noise and power noise.

Is Merzbow power noise or just noise?

This one I learned yesterday

White noise is noise that doesn't try to scare you. (ex.: xenonics k 30, merzbow)

Black noise is noise that doesn't try to keep you listening for too much (that thing scares the hell out of you). (ex.: today, I'm dead)

Power noise is white noise and black noise altogether (Imminent Starvation, for example). This is the stuff that seems to have some more rhythm though. (and it's my favourite so far).

Right, Acid Junkie?

I'm just wondering what "electronics" is (Dark Apostle mentioned about it once)


Posted by Noisician on Aug-11-2003 15:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Apostle
What's the big difference between noise and power noise.


read the description of "power noise" again, then download some examples. "noise" is not an actual genre, it's just a word to describe synthetic dissonance and distortion. i mean any distortion... any sound that is unpleasant to your ear is an example of noise: loud scratching, the sound of a pneumatic hammer, the roar of an airplaine... u name it! thus any track in any style may contain a noise part, making it a noise track.
"power noise" is a specific genre with its own properties, the essential of which is the presence of NOISE in every track. the genre however is not 100% noise oriented (unlike "power electronics" that is pure/raw noise). it often has either a broken beat or a 4x4 one. think of it as extreme idm, with all the experimentation left, but harder and more distorted because of NOISE.


Posted by Dark Apostle on Aug-11-2003 15:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Acid Junkie
http://www.eraseronline.com/eolaud....powernoise.html


I checked out the link and it has plenty of info. But seeing that there are so many sub-genres, I have to conclude that much boils down to personal definition and how structured, electronic or melodic a certain production is.

And this is something I notice amongst the ppl I know. Some call Suicide Commando electro (like me) where others say no it's EBM or Industrial. Same for :Wumpscut:.

The only thing that is cleary well defined are the likes of VNV and Apop. All of em' er being described as future pop and as of this day I'll steer away from anything labeled as future pop known that is is and will be the music which I hate


Posted by Dark Apostle on Aug-11-2003 15:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Acid Junkie
think of it as extreme idm, with all the experimentation left, but harder and more distorted because of NOISE.


You mean like Aphex Twin mixed with a pneumatic drill and boeing 747 taking off. (this is not meant as sarcasm)

Or to state it more cleary something that resembles a melody but with lots of noise added to it?


I'm certainly going to check it out


Posted by Noisician on Aug-11-2003 16:02:

to make it easier for u,

download power noise (rename to mp3):

imminent & synapscape - aigre

download power electronics (rename to mp3):

sickness - falling on deaf ears


Posted by Dark Apostle on Aug-11-2003 16:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Acid Junkie
to make it easier for u,

download power noise (rename to mp3):

imminent & synapscape - aigre

download power electronics (rename to mp3):

sickness - falling on deaf ears



Didn't like Sickness much, not because of the sound, but because it didn't sound special, I mean it's something you forget easily and it was waay to monotone

Couldn't dload Imminent & Synapscape for some reason.


Posted by Lira on Aug-12-2003 01:24:

TwoPlow, check PM

Just wondering: there are loads of other definitions from that link of yours, Acid Junkie. Are the explanations for Industrial, Noise, Dark Ambient, EBM and all other forms of electronic music mentioned there reliable? By the way, this can be considered electronic music, right? Or is industrial too close to rock to be considered electronic music?

ps: Goth music is not necessarily electronic, right?


Posted by Dark Apostle on Aug-12-2003 09:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Maaz


ps: Goth music is not necessarily electronic, right?


No, goth music can also contain regular instruments without any electronics resembling metal, folk, medieval, etc...


Posted by Noisician on Sep-27-2003 03:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Maaz
TwoPlow, check PM

Just wondering: there are loads of other definitions from that link of yours, Acid Junkie. Are the explanations for Industrial, Noise, Dark Ambient, EBM and all other forms of electronic music mentioned there reliable? By the way, this can be considered electronic music, right? Or is industrial too close to rock to be considered electronic music?


read these:

http://industrial.org/faq/index.php...s_id=40&q_id=94
http://industrial.org/faq/index.php..._id=40&q_id=161
http://industrial.org/faq/index.php..._id=43&q_id=100
http://industrial.org/faq/index.php...s_id=41&q_id=98



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