No more beatmatching, what's next ???

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Posted by PVD fanatic on Aug-26-2003 16:29:

No more beatmatching, what's next ???

So i've mastered the basics of beatmatching. I can obviously match two songs, and fade one out from the other, and make it sound pretty good.

What exactly do I learn to do next? How do I start to really "mix" ?? As in having 2 songs playing, and take the bass out of one, and turning up the other, and than vice versa... I'm not sure where to head to next....

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Posted by Tiger777 on Aug-26-2003 23:44:

The only thing I can suggest is fooling around with tunes and eventually, you'll devoloppe your own style...

Posted by Cosmic Realm on Aug-27-2003 02:08:

Now you must buy lots and lots and lots of records...spend every penny you have on vinyl...

well at leats thats what i did

no really after i learned how to spinn trance i started getting into breaks and stuff...so i spinn both and i enjoy it.
i would say maybe looking into spinning 2 styles. Give your life some new tunes every time you spinn enstead of the same thing over again.

Posted by Energized on Aug-27-2003 02:16:

I would suggest working on the track selection to see what kinds of tracks go well with each other depending on your style of course, then maybe try varying your your blends.

Posted by WeDriftDeeper on Aug-27-2003 02:37:

just freestyle i guess uv got over the hurdles its time for fun

Posted by Sharpy on Aug-27-2003 02:58:

Get creative...

Posted by DjTasper on Aug-27-2003 03:33:

phraze matching! you can't put up a seamless mix unless you can do this decently i think its key to a mix. i beleive recess.org or some site like that has an excellent tutorial on it. basically what you do is figure out if it is evey 4 beats or 8 beats or 16 or so on that a new sound or the song changes. match your incoming track to the begining of a phrase on your live track and mix out with your eqs and fader...this is a really shitty explanation so if anyone else can explain i'm sure they will help out better than me i could put up a few examples of it if you would like though

Posted by volkSTER on Aug-27-2003 07:27:

technique

if you really wanna become diverse you should start treating the turntable as an instrument

i suggest : turntable technique "the art of the dj" by stephen webber

its kinda nice since it comes with 2x12" lesson records that teach you how to cue shit up and a little skratching too

dont mean to sound rookie but its not a bad tool for begginers!

Posted by Tiger777 on Aug-27-2003 09:56:

It's a book => you have to pay for it.
Spend the money on records and mess around with them!

Posted by rqpeyruxvg on Aug-27-2003 12:21:

Try EQing, bass fading and that i mean...

Posted by sykadelik on Aug-27-2003 15:39:

quote:
Originally posted by DjTasper
phraze matching! you can't put up a seamless mix unless you can do this decently i think its key to a mix. i beleive recess.org or some site like that has an excellent tutorial on it. basically what you do is figure out if it is evey 4 beats or 8 beats or 16 or so on that a new sound or the song changes. match your incoming track to the begining of a phrase on your live track and mix out with your eqs and fader...this is a really shitty explanation so if anyone else can explain i'm sure they will help out better than me i could put up a few examples of it if you would like though

Exactly! I wish somebody had told me this. I master beat matching ages ago but couldn't work out why the mixes where still sounding shit. Then I realised about this, so slowly its starting to improve more. I think all the big names use this method. www.ivibes.nu have a tutorial on it.

Posted by Alekos on Aug-27-2003 16:18:

Re: No more beatmatching, what's next ???

Posted by Steven Hays on Aug-27-2003 18:05:

No matter what you think, you will never master beatmatching. Mastering it means you will never screw up and everyone screws up here and there. Even the greatest of them all. Never think you master anything, cause then you have nothing left to shoot for! Shoot for perfection but understand that you can never get there!

peace.

Steve

Posted by DJ Bazz on Aug-28-2003 17:08:

Replace the boxes, put them in the other corner of your room. it will sound a little bit different, and that will just improve your mixing-skills. dunno if you have ever spinned in a club, but it wil sounds really different out there.

try to mix just in your headphones, put the tune which your public is hearing at the cue and the tune you want to mix in at the cue and try to mix it. just don't listen to your boxes, keep your headphone at your both ears during the transitions (actually just the whole time you're mixing)

try to spin at some other equipment, I think your TTs are technics, but maybe you will spin at a time at a place, where are some other TTs than technics. The same about your mixer.

Experience with backspins and other turntable-tricks. learn to do backspins at the right time, at the last beats from 4 x 8, or sometimes even better 4 x 8 x 4. (it's difficult to explain it, my English it's not that good )

listen to other DJs and try to pick the good things out of their mixing-skills and learn them.

have fun!

Posted by Nemesis44 on Aug-28-2003 17:26:

Re: No more beatmatching, what's next ???

quote:
Originally posted by PVD fanatic
So i've mastered the basics of beatmatching. I can obviously match two songs, and fade one out from the other, and make it sound pretty good.

What exactly do I learn to do next? How do I start to really "mix" ?? As in having 2 songs playing, and take the bass out of one, and turning up the other, and than vice versa... I'm not sure where to head to next....

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

You have only just begun...

Phrase mixing as mentioned earlier will give your mixes a new dimension without doubt. Learn good ways of getting out of tunes that might only be good for one break (Sometimes this is necessary to get the crowd excited).
the one thing that I would say will change your DJing for life is learn to mix harmonically. You can't beat it... once you know how to do it... everything else just sounds wank. This however can't be done to best effect until you have learnt how to phrase mix.

As Evan Almae said... you can never be too good at beat matching. I heard John Digweed drop mixes once... so you can never stop practicing. So many different factors play a part such as monitors etc.

Although you make is sound almost as if you don't enjoy it now? In which case get new tunes. But I would also recomend that you don't go out and bulk buy as it's easy to loose the plot in a heap of unfamiliar stuff. Get the ones you really want and try to picture how they would fit in with your current tunes.

Best of luke anyways
Nem

Posted by Freak on Aug-28-2003 17:33:

Wise words said to me once when i was starting out:

6 scoring points available to you when djing:

1 point for your mixing
1 point for having the right records in your box
2 points for your programming (tune selection and order)
2 for being able to read the dancefloor/crowd/room

Wise words.

As you get better you will find beatmatching becomes second nature and you will find it will be the least of your concerns.far tougher things to deal with in the middle of a set

Posted by Flash Bastard on Aug-29-2003 12:21:

i like this topic .. i now think 4 myself i can take the next step beyond beatmatching

Posted by Xavier on Aug-29-2003 13:10:

01 beatmatching
02 phrase match
03 harmonic mixing

must do all...