10 Commandments Removed From Alabama Court-House

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Posted by Renegade on Aug-27-2003 14:48:

10 Commandments Removed From Alabama Court-House

Just saw it live on Fox News (who provided fairly unbiased coverage for a change):

http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/4064360.html

Posted by occrider on Aug-27-2003 14:58:

Re: 10 Commandments Removed From Alabama Court-House

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Originally posted by Renegade
Just saw it live on Fox News (who provided fairly unbiased coverage for a change):

http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/4064360.html

Thank God . On a side note,

http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram...cal/6628817.htm

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FORT WORTH - As protesters continued to roar in Alabama over the court-ordered removal of a religious monument, a lone woman stood before Tarrant County commissioners on Tuesday, saying that the bronze statue of a panther represents "paganism" and should be removed from government grounds.

"In the grassy area in front of this building, there is a statue of a cat, having been placed there with the most insignificant excuse possible," said Blanca Castillo, appearing before the court on the fifth floor of the county's Administration Building.

"That pagan statue is an insult to Christians everywhere, and I respectfully request its removal from any local, state, county [or] federal property," the North Richland Hills woman read from a prepared statement.
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An unsuccessful Republican candidate for the Texas board of education, Castillo said she believes the monument should remain in place in Montgomery and that the panther in Fort Worth should go.

It could be replaced, she suggested, with a marble display of the Bill of Rights or the Constitution, or a "few choice law-abiding phrases such as ... thou shall not steal ... thou shall not kill ... thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife ..."

/Prays to Darwin to speed things up

Posted by PhloTron on Aug-27-2003 17:36:

Obviously our founding fathers built our laws based on the good book...and then some. Slogans/sayings about God are all over the government. I.E. Money: In God We Trust. If a judge/court is going to be biased on one object w/in the gov't, then they should rule against it all and have it all removed. What a disaster waiting to happen.

Although I agree with the separation of church and state as written...I just refer to my practical side and all the wierdos that wasted weeks protesting and and in court over a rock in a courthouse should have used that time and money in a soup kitchen helping the less fortunate.

Sad

Posted by occrider on Aug-27-2003 18:09:

quote:
Originally posted by PhloTron

Although I agree with the separation of church and state as written...I just refer to my practical side and all the wierdos that wasted weeks protesting and and in court over a rock in a courthouse should have used that time and money in a soup kitchen helping the less fortunate.

Sad

It's a violation of the 14th amendment, Alabama's state constitution, and it comes perilously close to violating the 1st amendment ... worth the time and effort imo.

I love the irony inherent in the actions of the judge and the protesting jesus-freaks. Aren't they guilty of idolotry? Something prohibited by the 10 commandments itself?

At any rate:

When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself so that its professors are obliged to call for the help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one
- Ben Franklin

Oh well if I go to hell for holding this belief then I go to hell

Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on Aug-27-2003 18:58:

Posted by LiquidX on Aug-27-2003 20:20:

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Posted by moncster on Aug-27-2003 20:22:

Pfttt, the news keep talking about "Islamic Extremists," while at home, here are perfect examples of Christian extremists.

Posted by PhloTron on Aug-27-2003 20:28:

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Originally posted by moncster
Pfttt, the news keep talking about "Islamic Extremists," while at home, here are perfect examples of Christian extremists.

wouldn't that involve blowing up the statue/display and a bunch of children around it???

however...valid point.

Posted by MrSquirrel on Aug-28-2003 02:11:

The whole point of the issue is not that "god is on the money" etc. Denying there is a god is not a necessity in the separation of church and state. But the state sponsorship of any one religion over another IS against the spirit of the freedom of religion. Because the ten Commandments is a icon from a specific religion, the federal judge was under the legal obligation to order the removal of the monument from the Alabama Supreme Court rotunda for the simple fact that its mere presence there implies a connection between that religion and the government.

The placement of a monument of the 10 Commandments in such a place could be seen by an american citizen who is, say a buddhist, the same way as the christian "religious right" would see a statue of the Buddha being placed in its stead. It promotes one religion's version of truth over all others, which cannot be allowed.

MrS

Posted by PhloTron on Aug-28-2003 02:40:

quote:
Originally posted by occrider
... worth the time and effort imo.

Do note that I meant both sides fighting....most of the "protesters" were those fighting to keep it and the court procedings against. I was too vague there...and thus I said they should have had better things to do....

I didn't really look at specifics of the case...so I based my answer on media coverage...which from WAAAY over here away from the East coast...seemed kind of silly...while we worry about if our homes will burn down in the coming weeks with fires, fires and more fires. Is why I wondered...in my eyes what the fuss is about. *oh well* I agree with your points to ammendments/law.

Anyway...after hearing a different perspective on "GOD" being on money/in context etc., I can see how that it is a general "Whoever that is to a certain person", where when I look at it I have my beliefs on who it is. And I guess that makes it ok.

*shrug* I give up.

I have to go to work.

Posted by MrSquirrel on Aug-31-2003 16:47:

An "interesting" editorial from the Salt Lake Tribune on the issue:

http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Aug/0831...lic_f/88326.asp

I personally find this argument to be weak seeing as the person who ordered the monument to be placed in a government building was the highest seated member of that branch of the government. Not to mention it infringes on the free practice of religion for those who are not of the 3 major western religions (Christianity, Islam, and Judaism).

Just wanted to post this link because I found it an intruiging argument.

MrS

Posted by rizo on Aug-31-2003 18:31:

quote:
Originally posted by PhloTron
Obviously our founding fathers built our laws based on the good book...and then some. Slogans/sayings about God are all over the government. I.E. Money: In God We Trust. If a judge/court is going to be biased on one object w/in the gov't, then they should rule against it all and have it all removed. What a disaster waiting to happen.
huh?

most of our founding fathers were deists or unitarians.

"The Treaty of Tripoli, passed by the U.S. Senate in 1797, read in part: "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." The treaty was written during the Washington administration, and sent to the Senate during the Adams administration. It was read aloud to the Senate, and each Senator received a printed copy. This was the 339th time that a recorded vote was required by the Senate, but only the third time a vote was unanimous (the next time was to honor George Washington). There is no record of any debate or dissension on the treaty. It was reprinted in full in three newspapers - two in Philadelphia, one in New York City. There is no record of public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers."

the "in god we trust" wasnt added to our currency until 1965 during the mccarthy circus

quote:
Originally posted by occrider
/Prays to Darwin to speed things up

Posted by DR86 on Aug-31-2003 18:34:

quote:
Originally posted by PhloTron
wouldn't that involve blowing up the statue/display and a bunch of children around it???

i really hope this was a joke. because if it wasn't, you need to check yourself.

Posted by fuct4less on Aug-31-2003 21:29:

i dont really understand all the fuss over some stone...