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How many agree that Vincent de Moor a better producer than Tiësto ?

... I think Tiesto is a commercial phenomenon,
that reminds me of a Coca Cola beverage ...
he's a DJ that's "clean" , "popular" "mainstream"
a "good money maker", good "crowd drawer", etc.

However, Vincent de Moor, as a producer, is superior,
for the music alone ...

why would you compare the two?

Tiesto has done so much more than VDM on so many more levels. So I would have to disagree.

peace.

Steve

By comparing the tracks from the 2 DJ's,
the VDM's productions have a large number of
layers and depth that are non-existent on
Tiesto's mixes.

There's a lot more out there, than the most
famous names, on the scene today.

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Originally posted by kevmetric By comparing the tracks from the 2 DJ's, the VDM's productions have a large number of layers and depth that are non-existent on Tiesto's mixes. There's a lot more out there, than the most famous names, on the scene today.

More =! better in any/all cases, while I will agree VDM is a good producer, Tiesto is just as much so, and the two can't really be directly compared. I suspect you are more interested in detracting from tiesto than you are in promoting VDM's quality (evidenced by the fact you list no "quality" tracks of VDM and instead say all the stuff "he does" in his productions, that tiesto does not)...

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Originally posted by kevmetric By comparing the tracks from the 2 DJ's, the VDM's productions have a large number of layers and depth that are non-existent on Tiesto's mixes. There's a lot more out there, than the most famous names, on the scene today.

That's not true at all. Tiesto's quality of production and musical development in terms of melodic and harmonic progression is way more complex, even if it is more minimalist. These two artists are not even comparable. It's like saying that Salieri was a better composer than Mozart. Just blasphemy

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Originally posted by YaleTrance That's not true at all. Tiesto's quality of production and musical development in terms of melodic and harmonic progression is way more complex, even if it is more minimalist. These two artists are not even comparable. It's like saying that Salieri was a better composer than Mozart. Just blasphemy

I'm curious as to what you mean by harmonic and melodic progression, give this "unenlightened" bastard some examples

Ok, lets start making Tiesto vs someone threads now.

Basically, Tiësto is a "clean-cut" DJ ...
picks out some tunes, is a good showman,
and has reasonably good taste in selecting
his tracks.

However, on the other hand, Vincent de Moor,
is more of a musician ... many more layers,
depth to the tunes, 3-Dimensional in his
approach, and really presents a style that
takes the listener to a new musical atmophere.

Going backto Tiesto, there's a minimalist approach,
which is superior to other DJ's over-doing it,
with noise, effects, and so on ... however, it
shows less effort than VDM's work.

omg! u cannot be serious......... i mean nuthin agaisnt vincent de moor hes a good producer but u have got to be insane to say hes better than tiesto. tiestos productions sur-pass anyones ok traffic not everyone likes but its a massive new step for tiesto but u listen to

magik journey
urban train
lethal industry
obsession
dallas 4pm
in my memory
flight 643
traffic
nyana

aswell as all his amazing work remix wise!

tiesto imo is the best producer out there today and has been for some time not one of his tracks sounds alike which no matter how hard u try u cannot say about any other trance producer/dj!

However, on the other hand, Vincent de Moor,
is more of a musician ... many more layers,
depth to the tunes, 3-Dimensional in his
approach, and really presents a style that
takes the listener to a new musical atmophere


lol total bullshit! im sorry are u listening to a different dj tiesto than me or wot. because u must be tiestos productions have more layers, effort and if anything take u on a journey thru that track alone!!! i really cant see how u can say that have u actually heard any of tiestos stuff!

everything ive heard from vincent de moor has been really average imo, nuthin stands out ok nexus asia was ok but not my style but aswell as likeing it i thought it was as boring as hell. nuthin happeed in it u got to the break...........break eneded and it carried on like the first half of the tune till it ended.

Basically, Tiësto is a "clean-cut" DJ ...
picks out some tunes, is a good showman,
and has reasonably good taste in selecting
his tracks.

ur not saying anything about his productions ur talking about his dj skills is anyone else confused as to wot this guy is talking about lol

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Originally posted by SuperFarStucker I'm curious as to what you mean by harmonic and melodic progression, give this "unenlightened" bastard some examples

I mean that MOST Tiesto tracks are structurally produced/composed in a style and approach to musicmaking that is worthy of classical music, which is the reason I discovered trance. Even while working within a formula, the tracks' musical depth, complexity, and originality (which has nothing to do with inventing a "new" melody) stands out.

You would have to know a thing or two about music theory in order to understand what I'm saying about the complexity in terms of melodic/harmonic progressions, but I think this high level of artistry unmatched in the trance scene is pretty straightforward when you listen to tracks he co-produced with other excellent and classically trained musicians (unlike himself) such as the Allure and Straydog productions up to his new stuff such as Nyana and Traffic. Why? He always emphasizes on the nuances of the buildup in a tasteful way, letting the moving bassline move in a counterpoint direction to the melody adding an effect of melodramatic tension that keeps layering the musical line up until the breakdown. Tiesto and the Dutch posse perfected this sound while using melodies that centered on the synth sound of the late 90s, leading to a separate movement of trance that parted but fusioned German trance, British trance and even Psy/Goa. This is what came to be known later as epic uplifting trance (which has been bastardized today by so many artists).

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Originally posted by YaleTrance I mean that MOST Tiesto tracks are structurally produced/composed in a style and approach to musicmaking that is worthy of classical music, which is the reason I discovered trance. Even while working within a formula, the tracks' musical depth, complexity, and originality (which has nothing to do with inventing a "new" melody) stands out. You would have to know a thing or two about music theory in order to understand what I'm saying about the complexity in terms of melodic/harmonic progressions, but I think this high level of artistry unmatched in the trance scene is pretty straightforward when you listen to tracks he co-produced with other excellent and classically trained musicians (unlike himself) such as the Allure and Straydog productions up to his new stuff such as Nyana and Traffic. Why? He always emphasizes on the nuances of the buildup in a tasteful way, letting the moving bassline move in a counterpoint direction to the melody adding an effect of melodramatic tension that keeps layering the musical line up until the breakdown. Tiesto and the Dutch posse perfected this sound while using melodies that centered on the synth sound of the late 90s, leading to a separate movement of trance that parted but fusioned German trance, British trance and even Psy/Goa. This is what came to be known later as epic uplifting trance (which has been bastardized today by so many artists).

yeah wot he said,lol

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Originally posted by kevmetric Basically, Tiësto is a "clean-cut" DJ ... picks out some tunes, is a good showman, and has reasonably good taste in selecting his tracks. However, on the other hand, Vincent de Moor, is more of a musician ... many more layers, depth to the tunes, 3-Dimensional in his approach, and really presents a style that takes the listener to a new musical atmophere. Going backto Tiesto, there's a minimalist approach, which is superior to other DJ's over-doing it, with noise, effects, and so on ... however, it shows less effort than VDM's work.

That's not true either. To tell you the truth, most of VDM's productions are rather generic. If VdM is tridimensional then Tiesto's approach to musicmaking is millidimensional Tiesto takes much more listeners to a new musical atmosphere than VdM, I experienced TiC live and saw people crying and having orgasms all around Tiesto has way more vision and has touched way more people. No contest. If you'd like, compare VdM to Armin or Ferry or one of those. But Tiesto? lol. Next......

VDM is not even close (yet)..
But I like him tho, just that Tiesto has a great advantage.

Go VDM go!!!

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Originally posted by YaleTrance ...He always emphasizes on the nuances of the buildup in a tasteful way, letting the moving bassline move in a counterpoint direction to the melody adding an effect of melodramatic tension that keeps layering the musical line up until the breakdown...

YaleTrance you always talk with such passion about Tiesto. Those complex terms you use describe so well his style. It gives me goosebunps just by reading what you write. This makes me wonder, which is your favorite Tiesto work (production/remix/collaboration)?

Re: How many agree that Vincent de Moor a better producer than Tiësto ?

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Originally posted by kevmetric ... I think Tiesto is a commercial phenomenon, that reminds me of a Coca Cola beverage ... he's a DJ that's "clean" , "popular" "mainstream" a "good money maker", good "crowd drawer", etc.

Yes, Yes, and Yes.... Heck I think he was on a Coca~Cola can in Holland. lol what more can you ask for in a DJ?
Sounds like you are just trying to be 1337 in your like for a less popular DJ ... if you ask me.

give the man the answer to his question, he asks:

Question: How many agree that Vincent de Moor a better producer than Tiësto ?

Answer: 1, the topicstarter himself

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Originally posted by kevmetric Basically, Tiësto is a "clean-cut" DJ ... picks out some tunes, is a good showman, and has reasonably good taste in selecting his tracks. However, on the other hand, Vincent de Moor, is more of a musician ... many more layers, depth to the tunes, 3-Dimensional in his approach, and really presents a style that takes the listener to a new musical atmophere. Going backto Tiesto, there's a minimalist approach, which is superior to other DJ's over-doing it, with noise, effects, and so on ... however, it shows less effort than VDM's work.

i agree.

to name a few greats:

Shamu
Fly Away
Flowtation
Cystal Clouds
Nexus Asia
Carte Blanche
Orion City

much more depth than anything tiesto has done. i do like tiesto's tracks though and i like his DJing, but vdm is a better producer.

Tiesto is superior




::btw is it me or does Vincent de Moor-Shamu sound very similar to Push - Strange World

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Originally posted by EliPsE Tiesto is superior ::btw is it me or does Vincent de Moor-Shamu sound very similar to Push - Strange World

Yes. Strange World rips off Shamu as does Like This, Like That rips of Blue fear etc. its a bit unfair how much credit strange world gets whilst Shamu is kept in the dark.

The only decent productions that come under the Tiesto name are tracks that arent even done by him

Its all about Vincent De Moor, altho i hear he is a complete arse to work with :\

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Originally posted by The Master YaleTrance you always talk with such passion about Tiesto. Those complex terms you use describe so well his style. It gives me goosebunps just by reading what you write. This makes me wonder, which is your favorite Tiesto work (production/remix/collaboration)?

Thanks There are so many to mention. Is there one i like over the others? i really couldn't say. I think music historians in the future will divide Tiesto's development as a (trance) artist in three periods just like they do with the greatest composers of any given time in history(early-middle-late). His style has evolved so much over the last 7 years that if I choose one production I would be overlooking his achievements in other periods. Whether the tracks are collaborations, remixes or original productions there is no doubt that Tiesto is the Greatest Common Factor that gives the track that extra edge which takes the music to another level. He may not be the most talented computer music guy, but his intuition and savviness with what works in the dancefloor is unmatched. I could mention Stray Dog-Mirror, Allure-No More Tears and We ran at down, the Kamaya Painters Far from over and Endless Wave, Theme from Norjefell, the three real Gouryellas, the Destination Sunshine power mix, Silence remix, Southern Sun remix, Sirius remix, Alibi-Eternity, Obsession, Magik Journey, 643, Urban Train etc. The 2003 period has been huge for him too, bringing about some of the most revolutionary and complex sounds and changes to structure that Dutch trancedom has seen a while with his wise track selection and his own productions such Nyana, Traffic and the Barber rework. I'm sure it will keep getting better and better.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike The only decent productions that come under the Tiesto name are tracks that arent even done by him

Oh right. He didn't do Urban Train because he borrowed the melody from a mediocre generic production by Kid Vicious. He didn't do Obsession, it's just that Junkie XL is such a nice guy that he did a track that is a clear fusion of his style with Tiesto's just for the kicks. Yeppers, Tiesto had no involvement whatsoever in the Gouryella productions, Ferry had a crush on Monique and let Tiesto get some credit while pretending to work with him just so he could be closer to her. That's why after the breaking up Ferry did such an "amazing" track called Ligaya, and blatantly succeeded to make the track lack any Tiesto flavor. Oh yeah, he didn't do Magik Journey because Gert Huinik composed the orchestra part. Not to mention Nyana, OMG he used the same melody from Sirius. He's such a sellout! Just like Tchaikovsky when he fucking QUOTED the French anthem in his 1812 overture. And Tiesto for sure had no involvement in Traffic, which you started a thread to call it Tiesto's greatest track ever. You bet it was Gert, Alco, Cor and all the MAgik Muzik boys that manipulate Tijs every move.



Tired of the bandwagon backlash that questions anything good ever done by Tiesto. Not to mention their reliance on attacking his use of other people's melodies. Perhaps they should take a class or two on music history just so they could learn that there are pretty much NO TONAL MELODIES that haven't been used in this planet. Face it. Sampling and quoting melodies has been a well-accepted practice of art music and dance music history throughout millenia. And guess what, Tiesto innovates, defies the mold and makes the melody he borrowed much much better.

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Id have to say that Tiesto is a better producer than moore....better tracks thats all.

YaleTrance,

Your comments, descriptions, and intelligience are so fuckin brilliant. You are my new bestest friend. Keep writing, I really enjoy what you are saying. Finally someone who can explain what I've been feeling for a while.

peace.

Steve

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Originally posted by Evan Almae YaleTrance, Your comments, descriptions, and intelligience are so fuckin brilliant. You are my new bestest friend. Keep writing, I really enjoy what you are saying. Finally someone who can explain what I've been feeling for a while. peace. Steve

Amen to that!

And to answer the topic starters question, I thik VDM, like everyone else said, has more complex songs. Diff layers, etc. Tiesto tends to just use the loop button, which isn't necessarily bad, but sometimes gets annoying after awhile. True, they have been successful, but isn't he getting tired of the same formula?

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