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Posted by rizo on Sep-09-2003 18:16:

$87 billion more for iraq!

if approved, thats $165 billion+ total so far. guess all those left wing lunatics, Scott Ritter, Mi6, and the CIA were right, no WDMs! no terrorist there (well now there is that we are there, but i dont see them as terrorists but as freedom fighters, we're occupying their country)

imagine what we in this country could of done with that 165 billion. rebuild all the schools, work on the roads and bridges, maybe even build new public transportation systems. that would create lots of new jobs, and help the econmy. heh with that money we wouldn't had to cut veteran benefits, reduce military pay (remember SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!), or cut domestic programs. I bet republicans are happy about this though, all of this money is being taken from SSI, from Headstart, from all of the social programs that the republican party hates

also bush mentioned about making sacrifices, what has his corporate buddies and himself scarified? bush went AWOL during his last year of service, has made ridiculous tax cuts for the rich, and may even be profiting from this war

guess we didnt learn our lesson from vietnam. i really wish there was another party to vote for

Posted by malek on Sep-09-2003 18:38:

you meant 87 billions right?

to answer your post: Israel's security is worth more than the well being of Americans.

Posted by DR86 on Sep-09-2003 19:34:

it's 87 billion dollars.

Posted by rizo on Sep-09-2003 19:56:

haha yeah billions

Posted by Viber on Sep-09-2003 20:45:

so theres no weapons,no threats,no terror,no saddam and everybody are happy

Posted by rizo on Sep-09-2003 21:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Viber
so theres no weapons,no saddam
thats the only correct part

quote:
Originally posted by Vesa
I wonder what the American general public will say about the 87 billion
The American public doesnt even know what 87 billion could do domestically

your other points are good, and I believe they are in PNAC as well

Posted by Renegade on Sep-09-2003 23:16:

Re: $87 billion more for iraq!

quote:
Originally posted by rizen
imagine what we in this country could of done with that 165 billion. rebuild all the schools, work on the roads and bridges, maybe even build new public transportation systems.

Posted by MrSquirrel on Sep-10-2003 01:19:

Re: Re: $87 billion more for iraq!

quote:
Originally posted by Renegade

That is some damn good cartoonage.

MrS

Posted by Psionic on Sep-10-2003 01:37:

LOL that cartoon is awesome!

Posted by Aidonis on Sep-10-2003 06:45:

To try to put $87 Billion in perspective...

We spend $35 Billion a year on education. (note that that isn't even half)

We spend $2.5 Billion on Aids research.

All this after another round of tax cuts. Bush is just insane. Deficit(sp) will be hitting half a trillion dollars this year. Sooner or later, the dollar will fall, and the US will be in serious trouble.

Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on Sep-10-2003 10:57:

It's fascinating how general population can be naive and short sighted. It was obvious Bush's politics were gonna end up this way, and still he had the support of vast popular masses.

Posted by Renegade on Sep-10-2003 13:56:

quote:
Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
It was obvious Bush's politics were gonna end up this way, and still he had the support of vast popular masses.

Correction: still has the support of the masses:

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

At least the trend's sloping in the right direction though. He currently has his highest "disapproval rating" since the last poll taken before September 11 2001.

Posted by LiquidX on Sep-10-2003 20:35:

I know, this is craazy! Imagine how Bush must be feeling though, Like a LOOOOSEEEER!!!.. and Nope, No WMD, No Saddam, No Bin Ladin.. just Terrorists who are NOW coming and prospering in Iraq. Ive seen Iraquis claiming that there was better order when Saddam was governor, now theres all kinds of things. All of the Sudden, Bush needs the money and UN's help ( after telling them to f^%!#$ off ).. now its funny to see the irony of how Germany and France are on top of all this. .. looks like they were right after all.. and no, now majority of people are mad pissed about this 87 billion, and it will be more, this is just the beginning.. the total WAR cost will be inmense!!..

Where are all the Bush/war supporters, especially JM, I know you reading this.. give us your so SMART response, would love to see what is all about.. ( guys.. can you see they are quite and scared ?? )

Posted by PhloTron on Sep-10-2003 21:38:

I'm not scared at all...it's funny how when something hits the fan all the bashers and haters jump on the wagon and go nuts, while when something goes right they go run and hide and never show support, and wait for some stumbling block to protrude and come out in full force. Although I think it's easier to rant and bash than to show simple support. Plus the fact that it seems some people (no fingers pointing) look for negatives in everything that happens...i.e. they will plainly never be pleased.

In this case: Asking for more money...

I was a person that felt that war was not in our best interest, but the removal of Saddam was. I think that our nation is a safer place now than it was 2 years (or more) ago, although definatelhy not totally secure.

I'd rather spend the money on efforts to rebuild a country and fight the renegade terrorists over there, than spend billions cleaning up another tradgedy on U.S. soil, funded by those which we are currently fighting. At the same time, I don't like seeing our troops, nor civilians, in harms way. But I support our troops and our actions now that we are in this mess. And there is a monetary cost to that.

People are very good at looking in hindsight when they are not directly involved. i.e. Supporting the war effort then, then being displeased about spending now...no matter the reasons that have come light since. I just think it has to do with a sense that people think we are a perfect people and do things perfectly, on schedule, on budget, when that's far from the truth. And when some thing don't go to plan, they are shocked and refute the actions that we took in the first place.

But having an opinion is what's great about this country. You can disagree with what's going on and speak out. Believe me, if you spoke out against what the government decided to do in some other places you'd be doing it from a pine box (if your lucky) 6 feet under. I hope people that bash are greatful for that. (I know when I bash, I am greatful.)

And on Germany and France...they lost a lot of money with their investment to Iraq...and there is a ton of money to be had in rebuilding it "i.e. coprorate/gov't rebuilding contracts". Of course they are going to be on top of this, at the cost of sharing the power of running the show...which I'm not up to speed on to comment on how I'd react to that.

There are a lot of things I don't like about this whole thing...but the one thing is I support my country and what they need to help finish what they went over there to do...try and establish a free Iraq.

There...now you have an opinion of a supporter...happy?

p.s. that cartoon is spot on as well

Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on Sep-10-2003 22:59:

quote:
Originally posted by PhloTron
I'm not scared at all...it's funny how when something hits the fan all the bashers and haters jump on the wagon and go nuts, while when something goes right they go run and hide and never show support, and wait for some stumbling block to protrude and come out in full force. Although I think it's easier to rant and bash than to show simple support. Plus the fact that it seems some people (no fingers pointing) look for negatives in everything that happens...i.e. they will plainly never be pleased.

I'd say it's more the problem of human nature. When something goes as one wishes it to, that person brags about it so that everyone hears it, but when something goes the other way, there's really not much to say unless you want to make yourself look like an idiot.

quote:

In this case: Asking for more money...

I was a person that felt that war was not in our best interest, but the removal of Saddam was. I think that our nation is a safer place now than it was 2 years (or more) ago, although definatelhy not totally secure.

Really? You just created another disorganized country filled with terrorist groups and Al Quaeda supporters.

quote:

I'd rather spend the money on efforts to rebuild a country and fight the renegade terrorists over there, than spend billions cleaning up another tradgedy on U.S. soil, funded by those which we are currently fighting. At the same time, I don't like seeing our troops, nor civilians, in harms way. But I support our troops and our actions now that we are in this mess. And there is a monetary cost to that.

I think Saddam did a much better job in cleaning out Iraqi islamists than the US is doing right now. During his reign, it was almost impossible for the renegade terrorist groups to show their face, let alone take some serious action. He also showed the will to bend over if pressed hard enough. In that way it was much easier to deal with an organized, although deceptive country than it is now with an unorganized country where fundamentalist fractions of all sorts fight for power and against the americans.

Posted by LiquidX on Sep-11-2003 00:05:

quote:
Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
I think Saddam did a much better job in cleaning out Iraqi islamists than the US is doing right now. During his reign, it was almost impossible for the renegade terrorist groups to show their face, let alone take some serious action. He also showed the will to bend over if pressed hard enough. In that way it was much easier to deal with an organized, although deceptive country than it is now with an unorganized country where fundamentalist fractions of all sorts fight for power and against the americans.

So true, Saddam was a THUG. And a country like Iraq, unfortunately, needs someone like Saddam to control a country like Iraq. Im not saying that to kill people, but im talking as in a general way.