TranceAddict Forums (www.tranceaddict.com/forums)
- Political Discussion / Debate
-- Tribute to those who have fallen to Palestinian Terror
Pages (2): [1] 2 »

Tribute to those who have fallen to Palestinian Terror

(posted w/ permission from the Jerusalem Post)
***An Israeli police investigator searches for evidence at the scene of a suicide bombing at a Jerusalem cafe early Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2003. A suicide bomber blew up outside a cafe in Jerusalem Tuesday night, killing at least six people and wounding about 40 others, witnesses and rescue workers said. (AP)***

Since Rosh Hashanah (sept) 2000, Palestinian terrorists and militants have killed more than 700 people in Israel. The victims have ranged in age from less than a year to more than 80.

They have been Israeli, American, Arab, Chinese, Thai and more. They have included soldiers, tourists, students, grandmothers, and members of the same family. The Israelis ranged from new immigrants to fifth-generation Jerusalemites. The deaths have occurred at a bat mitzvah party, a Pesach seder, a pizzeria, a college campus, a discotheque, a caf�, a home, an Army outpost and on the street. Their deaths have occurred in virtually all parts of Israel, from big cities to lonely rural areas, from bus stops to the buses themselves.

What we can do - what we must do - is remember them. To that effect, we at the Jerusalem Post Internet Department have created a living memorial to these casualties of war. On the following pages - and it is heartbreaking to see how many pages it takes - are the original Jerusalem Post articles reporting the terror attacks that caused their deaths. At the bottom of each article is a list of each of the victims - including those who died in subsequent days or weeks. Click on each name and the picture of the person who was killed will pop up.

As the Palestinian campaign of terror against Israel continues into its third year, we hope this living memorial to its victims honors their memory.

LIST OF ATTACKS SINCE 2000 & TRIBUTE TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN HIT BY IT

***A Palestinian Hamas supporter laughs while throwing sweets during celebration in Gaza city following the double terror attacks in Jerusalem and Rishon Letzion on Tuesday Sept. 10, 2003. 2 suicide bombers blew themselves killing at least 14 people and wounding more than 50 (AP)***

***A religious volunteer collects human remains for a proper Jewish burial from the scene of a of a terrorist suicide bombing at a shopping center in Afula Monday May 19, 2003. In the 5th suicide bombing in less than 48 hours, a Palestinian terrorist detonated explosives at the entrance to the crowded mall, killing at least 3 and wounding more than 50. (AP)***

Im just going over some history about Israel and stuff. I may have misunderstood, but didnt Palestine GIVE land to what they are now know, Israelies???.. If this is true..... mmm someone tell me.

quote:

Originally posted by LiquidX Im just going over some history about Israel and stuff. I may have misunderstood, but didnt Palestine GIVE land to what they are now know, Israelies???.. If this is true..... mmm someone tell me.

I don't know if your kidding, or just plain ignorant. Whatever the case may be, I don't want to get into it.

I do however highly recommend Occrider as a source for this information. You could PM him, or better yet, perhaps Occrider can post a new thread if needed.

Please keep this thread clean, and in focus with the topic of the thread.

Thank you.

quote:

Originally posted by melech_mike I don't know if your kidding, or just plain ignorant. Whatever the case may be, I don't want to get into it. I do however highly recommend Occrider as a source for this information. You could PM him, or better yet, perhaps Occrider can post a new thread if needed. Please keep this thread clean, and in focus with the topic of the thread. Thank you.

Sorry to bother your thread, just commenting on something I overheard on my Social Environment class. I found it awkward as well, but since I dont know much of the beginning I thought I may have found some pretty fast sampling answer. but w/e.. yes sorry to bother topic. I rather not get any explanation, and go ask someone else.

it pisses me off to know all this violence is all uneeded.

quote:

Originally posted by fuct4less it pisses me off to know all this violence is all uneeded.

There are still some who truly believe in violence as a legitimate political tool. When the world as a whole denounces terrorism (including the Muslim world), we'll quickly see an end to senseless bloodshed, and the beginning of (beware: corny line ahead) world peace.

quote:

Originally posted by LiquidX Sorry to bother your thread, just commenting on something I overheard on my Social Environment class. I found it awkward as well, but since I dont know much of the beginning I thought I may have found some pretty fast sampling answer. but w/e.. yes sorry to bother topic. I rather not get any explanation, and go ask someone else.

It's sad that people in an institute of higher learning are spreading such false/wrong information as fact.

I urge you NOT to take your question out of this forum as i fear you will not get the true answer to your question.

I would be more then happy to answer the question but feel that there are many on this board who will start flaming for the simple reason that it's me posting. This is why I prefer you take it up on this board, and with someone who is a bit more moderate than I.

quote:

Originally posted by melech_mike There are still some who truly believe in violence as a legitimate political tool.

sad, but true

quote:

Originally posted by melech_mike It's sad that people in an institute of higher learning are spreading such false/wrong information as fact.

And what of those with the naive credulity of an infant, incapable of autonomous cognitive reasoning? Mike you are one of the most pathetic indoctrinated fools i have ever come across, you are the epitome of a blind patriot.

even beckham was injured ftom suicide boombings

quote:

Originally posted by melech_mike There are still some who truly believe in violence as a legitimate political tool. When the world as a whole denounces terrorism (including the Muslim world), we'll quickly see an end to senseless bloodshed, and the beginning of (beware: corny line ahead) world peace.

i dont believe violence is a legitimate tool. If the whole world could stop this, it would be great. I know a lot of the muslim world thinks terrorism is the only way, but as a muslim myself, i can say they are very misguided and they only read the teachings in a way that would fit with what they want to do. It does not teach to hurt innocent people for one. ya, but i myself dont agree with any type of violence

quote:

Originally posted by hadi ****** i dont believe violence is a legitimate tool. If the whole world could stop this, it would be great. I know a lot of the muslim world thinks terrorism is the only way, but as a muslim myself, i can say they are very misguided and they only read the teachings in a way that would fit with what they want to do. It does not teach to hurt innocent people for one. ya, but i myself dont agree with any type of violence

And I commend you for that. If only all we're like you!

ive just saw a very interesting fact: "the PO budget for terror is 100 million dollars per year at least!


thanx to arafat of course

ive always knew that they have some money for terror but this is way too much!!

quote:

Originally posted by Viber ive just saw a very interesting fact: "the PO budget for terror is 100 million dollars per year at least! thanx to arafat of course ive always knew that they have some money for terror but this is way too much!!

we give israel billions for their terrorism, whats your point?

quote:

Originally posted by Viber ive just saw a very interesting fact: "the PO budget for terror is 100 million dollars per year at least! thanx to arafat of course ive always knew that they have some money for terror but this is way too much!!

Please support this with a source.

quote:

Originally posted by rizen we give israel billions for their terrorism, whats your point?

I'm assuming you made a stupid mistake and you really meant to say the US gives Israel billions as load guarantees (which cost the US NOTHING!). You may have also meant to say that these billions are given to combat terrorism, and stay defended against all odds.

If you honestly think that Israel is the aggressor in this conflict then you have some serious psychological problems.

quote:

If you honestly think that Israel is the aggressor in this conflict then you have some serious psychological problems.

Hahehaheaheaheahaeha

that's gold mike

Inserts adjective of the day:

Jingoistic


Ok I am done. Feel free to proceed.

MrS

i thought you were skipping my post?

anyway yes loans, which more than half the debt of what israel owes is to the US. combat terrorism? sure but also cause it as well, when storming and bulldozing palestinean houses, as well as bulldozing rachel corry to death.

as for the aggressor in this conflict, both are.

quote:

anyway yes loans, which more than half the debt of what israel owes is to the US. combat terrorism? sure but also cause it as well, when storming and bulldozing palestinean houses, as well as bulldozing rachel corry to death.

Unilateral Annexation, and Collective Punishment, illegal under the geneva convention, great anti-terrorism tactics right....

quote:

Originally posted by tathi Unilateral Annexation, and Collective Punishment, illegal under the geneva convention, great anti-terrorism tactics right....

two points...
first annexation.
i dont think that annexation falls under the jurisdiction of the geneva convention but i'm too lazy to go read up on that. however i assume you're talking about the annexation of the west bank. Under the 1947 partitions plan - which the jews accepted and arabs rejected - the west bank was to have been part of an independent arab state in western palestine. But the Jordanian army invaded and occupied it during the 1948 war. in 1950 jordan annexed the west bank. Only two governments, the UK and Pakistan, formally recognized the jordanian take over, the rest of the world never did. after the 1967 war israel occupied the west bank, and only annexed east jerusalem. it never annexed the gaza strip either. If you want to arguee about the annexation of east jerusalem, you're right, the legality of this is questionable... furthermore in a final peace plan i hope that israel gives it back to palestine.
now for collective punishment.
Israel is a signator to the geneva convention which forbids collective punishment. Israel is guilty of collective punishment measures such as demolishing the homes of families who's members committed terrorist acts. putting this into prospective you can admit that both sides are wrong, but not equally. I think the act of blowing oneself up in a cafe is far worse then the 'revenge' of demolishing a home. thus, the burden of guilt still lies on the terrorist. Further more the geneva convention is a contract, one which was not signed by the PA, or any of the terrorist organizations. thus if the the hamas (for example) commits acts outlawed by the convention (such as killing innocents) in theory israel does not have to obey the contract when dealing back at them.

article 47 and 33 from memory, you may want to check it up though

quote:

I think the act of blowing oneself up in a cafe is far worse then the 'revenge' of demolishing a home.

This is true, and only a single factor contributing to the accrued feeling of despair and anxiety. The act of felones de se is more than just revenge, take it from someone who knows alot on psychology

overall, good post Izzy

quote:

Originally posted by tathi article 47 and 33 from memory, you may want to check it up though This is true, and only a single factor contributing to the accrued feeling of despair and anxiety. The act of felones de se is more than just revenge, take it from someone who knows alot on psychology overall, good post Izzy

Major? Plan on becoming a psychiatrist or a psychologist? Or just a general interest?

I'd be too opinionated for a psychiatrist

My dad is a psychiatrist, and i have a general interest in the area, my cognoscente lies within network engineering

quote:

Originally posted by tathi article 47 and 33 from memory, you may want to check it up though

Geneva Conventions Act
SCHEDULE II
CHAPTER VII EXECUTION OF THE CONVENTION
Article 47

quote:

Reprisals against the wounded, sick and shipwrecked persons, the personnel, the vessels or the equipment protected by the Convention are prohibited.

Geneva Conventions Act
SCHEDULE I
CHAPTER V BUILDINGS AND MATERIAL
Article 33

quote:

The material of mobile medical units of the armed forces which fall into the hands of the enemy, shall be reserved for the care of wounded and sick. The buildings, material and stores of fixed medical establishments of the armed forces shall remain subject to the laws of war, but may not be diverted from their purpose as long as they are required for the care of wounded and sick. Nevertheless, the commanders of forces in the field may make use of them, in case of urgent military necessity, provided that they make previous arrangements for the welfare of the wounded and sick who are nursed in them. The material and stores defined in the present Article shall not be intentionally destroyed.

If you are talking about the israel attacks on ambulance, then there is definetly much to say. This is one of Chomsky's arguements, one for which i cant stand. It completely neglects the context.
On multiple times the IDF has caught and documented (and i've linked it here in the past) ambulances which have been used to smuggle both terrorists and weapons. This in itself is also a violation of the convention. thus the nullification of contract, giving israel full right to attack this now 'military' target. again who do you prefer blaming, the israeli's for shooting mis-used medical vehicles, or the palestinians for mis-using the vehicles in the first place?

anyways, is annexation covered by the geneva convention? i though the convention only dealt with matters on how to conduct warfare, not on what can or cant be done after the matter.

quote:

overall, good post Izzy

thanks, nice to see some friendless instead of the hostility that usually plagues these topics. it's ok to disagree.

Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright © 2000-2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.