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Posted by moncster on Sep-13-2003 15:58:

Soooo with the RIAA thing going on...

Is it just me or is everyone else nervous when checking their ISP email account?

Posted by MrSquirrel on Sep-13-2003 16:24:

Re: Soooo with the RIAA thing going on...

quote:
Originally posted by moncster
Is it just me or is everyone else nervous when checking their ISP email account?

I would be......if I had set up the forwarding account when my attbi account got moved to comcast lol.....I have not had ISP email in 2 months.

MrS

Posted by Boomer187 on Sep-13-2003 16:48:

I don't worry at all about the riaa.

A. Don't share anything.

B. It could be profitable to get sued

they only lok for people sharing and then sue the person that the isp bill is under. So if you find a way to use someone elses connection (someone u don't know or don't care about prefered) or you are a 12 year old that can build simpathy (71 year olds are doing the same) keep on sharing.

Posted by DR86 on Sep-13-2003 16:56:

i don't even knmow what my ISP account's password is.

Posted by chrome on Sep-13-2003 17:30:

im a bit nervous considering what happened with the twelve year old girl, it just goes to show that almost anyone can get cought. but, when i think of it, they wont catch everyone, theres millions and millions of people leeching/downloading music all over the world.

Posted by Omegasox on Sep-13-2003 18:16:

Just got this email from the University:

In the last few years, many people have learned that they can obtain music and
other media through the Internet. Unfortunately, the common result has been
unauthorized copying of copyrighted material. Please understand that making
such copies is against federal and state laws. It is also a violation of
University policy.

Under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), copyright infringement is a
serious violation and is subject to harsh penalties. The Recording Industry
Association of America (RIAA) and the Motion Picture Association of America
(MPAA) have recently announced that they are going to increase their
enforcement efforts. The last thing I want is for our students to be punished
for something they mistakenly thought was not a serious matter.

Students who make or distribute copies could lose their network access
privileges at Penn State and face the possibility of lawsuits from the music
industry. For the most serious offenders, criminal charges can result as well.
I urge you to think carefully about the risks you are taking if you make
illegal copies.

I recommend that you take time to learn more about this issue. The Information
Technology Services web site <http://its.psu.edu/> discusses this matter
further under the heading "It's so cool to get any song I want from the net."
There is other valuable information on the web listed under "Copyright
Resources" at <http://its.psu.edu/policies/>.

For those who want to benefit from the new technology, there are plenty of
legitimate services available. Services like Apple's iTunes Music store,
MusicMatch, Rhapsody, PressPlay, and MusicNow all provide thousands of songs
available to download legally. Furthermore, Penn State is working with several
companies with the goal of providing legal entertainment via the Internet. We
anticipate that one or more services may be available on a trial basis during
the Spring Semester.

In the meantime, I urge you to take the ramifications of copyright infringement
seriously and resist the urge to engage in illegal downloading or file sharing.

-----------

RIAA is taking over.

Posted by jonnycarcinogen on Sep-13-2003 19:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Omegasox
RIAA is taking over.

Fuck that, we'll just figure out a way to sue them for putting out so many worthless records through the years and charging $18.99 apiece. I classify that along with something else you may buy (such as an appliance) that is crap and breaks almost right away. If they want my hard earned money for a cd it better be worth EVERY penny. I'm not pro-downloading as in whole albums but lets use some common sense here.

Posted by Crazy Serb on Sep-13-2003 19:36:

They can lick my ballz... as long as there is internet, people willing to share tunes and overpriced CDs, there will be sharing. One way or another.

Posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 on Sep-13-2003 19:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
B. It could be profitable to get sued

(71 year olds are doing the same) keep on sharing.

Very interesting article! Btw, that 71 year old man was not a file sharer. His grandson would come over and download music while he was there.

I think I'm going to post up that article here for everyone to see.

quote:
Being Sued by the RIAA Turns Profitable
September 12, 2003
Thomas Mennecke

What started off as every P2P users nightmare has turned into a profitable enterprise for 12 year old Brianna LaHara. Like 60 million other American citizens, Brianna�s downloading day started off like many others; launch your Kazaa client and trade away.

Unfortunately for Brianna, she had approximately 1,000 copyrighted songs in her shared directory. Compounding her situation was the type of shared music; mostly top 40, such as Christina Aguilera. This unfortunate combination is exactly what the RIAA automatons are looking for.

Like many other victims of the RIAA's persecution of the American people, Brianna had no idea that she was targeted until reporters started contacting the household. The RIAA quickly brushed off the issue, accepting a minimal payment of $2,000.

While the marginal penalty may seem like a fortune to this low-income New York family, the immediate sympathy and outpouring was undeniable. Almost immediately, P2P United, a trade organization that promote the file-sharing world, sent the family $2,000 to cover the costs.

However, the support didn't stop there.

In addition to the 2 grand from P2P United, Brianna has literally been flooded with donations. The donations range anywhere from $3 dollars to nearly $1,000. Not only has Brianna been able to pay her fine; she's making a profit from her ordeal with the RIAA.

In addition, "Rochester, New York radio disc jockey Brother Wease also offered to pay Torres� legal bill, and online music retailer MusicRebellion.com said it would allow Torres� daughter, Brianna Lahara, to download $2,000 worth of free music from its industry-sanctioned site."

What started off as a financial nightmare for the LaHara family has turned into a dream come true. With the $2,000 dollar offer from Music Rebellion, and �floods� of donations where some have totaled near $1,000, we can only speculate that Brianna has managed to make over $4,000 for the LaHara household - and that's a very conservative estimate. Not bad for being sued for copyright infringement.

Posted by capricorn15 on Sep-13-2003 19:43:

i only use dc++, i dont think that is a targeted program anyways? is it?

beside, anything that is shared, is not one of hte labels teh riaa is "protecting". i dont even know hwo to check my isp email anyways

Posted by Nabistai on Sep-13-2003 20:26:

quote:
Originally posted by hadi ******
i only use dc++, i dont think that is a targeted program anyways? is it?

beside, anything that is shared, is not one of hte labels teh riaa is "protecting". i dont even know hwo to check my isp email anyways

Actually what worrys me, with kazaa you can chose not to share anything, but on the hubs there is usually a minimum set amount you must share to even be allowed. So you are automaticaly 'targettable' for the RIAA.

Posted by capricorn15 on Sep-13-2003 20:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Nabistai
Actually what worrys me, with kazaa you can chose not to share anything, but on the hubs there is usually a minimum set amount you must share to even be allowed. So you are automaticaly 'targettable' for the RIAA.

but, how do they have access to the hub, if you are using a private one? and can you get in trouble for sharing stuff that the riaa doesnt protect, ex: something from blackhole record label or bonzai?

Posted by moncster on Sep-13-2003 22:30:

quote:
Originally posted by hadi ******
i only use dc++, i dont think that is a targeted program anyways? is it?

beside, anything that is shared, is not one of hte labels teh riaa is "protecting". i dont even know hwo to check my isp email anyways

Actually, stuff from many of the big producers are released by RIAA members. Just as examples, Tiesto, Hybrid, and others are on labels with RIAA support.

Posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 on Sep-13-2003 22:38:

quote:
Originally posted by hadi ******
but, how do they have access to the hub, if you are using a private one? and can you get in trouble for sharing stuff that the riaa doesnt protect, ex: something from blackhole record label or bonzai?

Well I'm sure they could hack their way in. But most hubs have disclaimers stating that by entering you are agreeing upon the internet privacy act signed in 1995 by Bill Clinton, or something along that line. I don't know how protected you are in private hubs, but if you look at it like territory they would be invading private property.

I think privately owned servers/hubs are giving them too much legal work right now so they are just targeting P2P public filesharing programs. I don't really see them changing from the public filesharing to private anytime soon, since most of the damage dealt to the music industry is done on those public filesharing programs. The majority of private servers are mainly underground music material plus movies, games and programs.

Posted by St_Andrew on Sep-13-2003 22:46:

i find it pretty strange that no one so far has made some 1024bit encrypted mega duper secure file sharing service with no way to trace users...

Posted by moncster on Sep-13-2003 22:53:

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
i find it pretty strange that no one so far has made some 1024bit encrypted mega duper secure file sharing service with no way to trace users...

That's basically the idea behind freenet...

http://freenet.sourceforge.net/

Posted by St_Andrew on Sep-13-2003 22:57:

quote:
Originally posted by moncster
That's basically the idea behind freenet...

http://freenet.sourceforge.net/

thought about that too. but freenet doesn't support files bigger then "not so big"... but it shouldn't be that hard to take some basics of freenet and do a freetradenet or something =)

Posted by moncster on Sep-13-2003 23:00:

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
thought about that too. but freenet doesn't support files bigger then "not so big"... but it shouldn't be that hard to take some basics of freenet and do a freetradenet or something =)

Can anyone say

Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.rar
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r01
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r02
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r03
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r04
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r05
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r06
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r07
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r08
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r09
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r10
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r11
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r12
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r13
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.nfo

Posted by You aint Ninja on Sep-13-2003 23:03:

quote:
Originally posted by moncster
Can anyone say

Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.rar
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r01
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r02
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r03
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r04
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r05
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r06
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r07
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r08
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r09
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r10
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r11
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r12
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.r13
Sarah_McLachlan_-_Fear_(Hybrid's_Super_Collider mix).mp3.nfo

GG RIAA

Posted by St_Andrew on Sep-13-2003 23:05:

Posted by St_Andrew on Sep-13-2003 23:24:

dug a bit deeper in this freenet thing, there is a file sharing client for freenet, sound interesting as hell to me

Posted by Orbax on Sep-14-2003 00:33:

NewsGroups is still the thing to do

Posted by igottaknow on Sep-14-2003 00:36:

A lot of ppl express arrogant (stupid) words to the effect of screw RIAA they can't touch me. The truth is RIAA has been gaining strength, stepping up their attack with each victory and expanding their reach. First they shut down Napster, then Audio Galaxy, now p2ps (Kazaa).

I wouldnt find any comfort in the fact they havent targeted private hubs "yet". As long as ppl are sharing music on a large scale they will be there, no matter how ur doing it. Its pretty obvious that if they drive ppl from public p2p into private hubs, guess where RIAA is going to next.

For those who say they'll just stop sharing, then who are you going download music from when everone else comes to the same conclusion? It doesnt matter if ur name isnt on a ISP contract. My whole point is the threat is real and its going to effect you in some way if not now then soon.

BTW, saw an interesting article posted on another board http://www.warp2search.net/modules....cle&sid=1 4125

quote:

In the Mp3, the ID3v1 and ID3v2 Tags have identifying Hash marks that can be used to identify where one got the Mp3 from. . . When the RIAA sued one woman, she claimed that her Mp3's were all her own, but the RIAA used the Mp3 Hash marks to prove she lied. . . In fact the Hash marks showed that some of her Mp3's were originally downloaded via the Napster (now gone) file sharing software.

So use the free CDex software to convert all your Mp3's to Wav files that have no Tags at all. . . (Warning - These Wav files are 10-times bigger than the Mp3's, so only do 10-50 at a time). . . To avoid CDex or other software from carrying over the Hash marks, use another software to convert back to Mp3. . . If you had 128- bitrate Mp3's to start with, then use 160-bitrate to go from the Wav file back to the "Hash cleaned" Mp3 file to minimize sound- quality loss.

Posted by Boomer187 on Sep-14-2003 01:21:

quote:
Originally posted by igottaknow
A lot of ppl express arrogant (stupid) words to the effect of screw RIAA they can't touch me. The truth is RIAA has been gaining strength, stepping up their attack with each victory and expanding their reach. First they shut down Napster, then Audio Galaxy, now p2ps (Kazaa).

I wouldnt find any comfort in the fact they havent targeted private hubs "yet". As long as ppl are sharing music on a large scale they will be there, no matter how ur doing it. Its pretty obvious that if they drive ppl from public p2p into private hubs, guess where RIAA is going to next.

For those who say they'll just stop sharing, then who are you going download music from when everone else comes to the same conclusion? It doesnt matter if ur name isnt on a ISP contract. My whole point is the threat is real and its going to effect you in some way if not now then soon.

BTW, saw an interesting article posted on another board http://www.warp2search.net/modules....cle&sid=1 4125

Interesting point but the fact is that the RIAA is only effecting an extremely small percentage of p2p users. They are actually sueing 261, sent out 1000 er so subpeonas, but think of how many users there actually are. Millions, so the fact that they have only set an example of a few is only gonna deter the people who are already scared. Once they find a way to penalize thousands then it will hit home and p2p will be no more.

This doesn't hurt us all since I know a lot of people who only share their stuff through private boards and ftp sites. Those are virtually impossible to break down since they inforce a strict vouching system. I would assume the same is true for DC++ except the ones I have seen are more leinent on new members.

So the bottom line is that it is the people on the bottom end of the chain being effected, not the rippers and their friends. So you better start networking now and find some of the right friends cause if the RIAA is allowed to keep this up, those that only depend on p2p for stuff will be screwed.

Posted by Orbax on Sep-14-2003 01:22:

divide 250 by 280 million and thats the percentage of people getting sued (.00000000000000000000000000000000007%)

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