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Posted by DJBARON on Sep-13-2003 23:18:

Shame / Disagreement to the jews and all believers on this board

israeli's and most jews know that the 'high holidays' are coming up, including the jewish new year, and our day of atonement for our sins.

Well according to mystical and kabbalistic traditions, it is a time that G-d 'calls in the tabs'; rewards the good and punishes the bad [more complex then that but to sum it up]

for anyone to see the recent history of the time leading or right after this period, (the month is known as ELUL)

we have september 11th, and from that for the jews we see that during the month of september (hebrew month as i said b4 ELUL) the jews who observed the jewish law were saying a prayer called "forgiveness" in their morning prayer service (which is done for a month before the new year), got to work later that day, resulting in their lives being saved. Also the 5th plane, which was delayed was saved because an observant person forgot a religious artifact in the airport, and would not leave without it. That delay saved the passengers from death, because the 5th plane did not take off before the damage was done, and the airports were closed.

and this year, we see already so many things that even astrologically have meaning.

here are a few --->

the fact that mars recently got closer to the earth then in over 60,000 years, which if you are into kaballah and mystical teachings, mars has a meaning, and jewish tradition brings down that is a sign from G-d that the jews need to look themselves and possibly their actions. within this month of ELUL

the sudden change of pace in middle east politics, with israel *finally* declaring to get rid of arafat. Within this month of ELUL

the first religious based terrorist bomb on the #2 bus in jerusalem coming back from the western wall. within this month of ELUL

this new 'evil jewish barbie' story goes international, resulting in a very negative look at the jews. within this month of ELUL

One of the leading spiritual leaders of the Jewish people today, Rabbi Elyashiv has become very ill. He is a very righteous and honourable person and once again the tradition teaches that on any normal month when a righteous leader gets ill or dies it is a sign for the world that something may happen if the world doesn't correct its mistakes, and this has happened during the month which G-d sends us messages very openly, ELUL [direct link to the painful story click here: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell...d=1063440748704 ] within this month of elul.

these are the main ideas I bring that have support to my claim.

Kaballah and the teachings of the great sages historically have never been wrong. Look it up check out www.aish.com for a lot of good stuff, or www.askmoses.com to talk to someone live and the point of this message is to let everyone know ahead of time, that this year, if we don't ALL do something about it, then things that are shaping now could turn very VERY UGLY.

what things are shaping up?

The end of iraq and the beginning of a new change of leadership

the standoff with north korea

The new turn in the middle east with the booting of araft

Iranian Nucular capabilities

more and more worldwide terrorist threats


I just call out to all the Jews out there on this board (There are lots of them) and anyone who says they really believe in G-d, and I ask you to look inside, and find for yourselves the truth, and begin to search for it, and whatever situation is in your life, search for the truth today, ask questions, get answers, and don't accept anything until you've asked everything!

We all need to see that the world today is not doing so well. Everyone has different opinions, and the world is spliting apart slowly but surely.

I just hope we don't have any more signs for this month, and that G-d will forgive us for our sins...

Good nite everyone!!!


Posted by LiquidX on Sep-14-2003 04:50:

G-d?? God???.. if so.. are you ashamed saying god?? or.... why?.
- im not a jew, but the best thing, and way to get your answers is by prayers. ( if you are a religous jew )


Posted by Cyrus King on Sep-14-2003 05:24:

Re: to the jews and all believers on this board

quote:
Originally posted by DJBARON
israeli's and most jews know that the 'high holidays' are coming up, including the jewish new year, and our day of atonement for our sins.

Well according to mystical and kabbalistic traditions, it is a time that G-d 'calls in the tabs'; rewards the good and punishes the bad [more complex then that but to sum it up]

for anyone to see the recent history of the time leading or right after this period, (the month is known as ELUL)

we have september 11th, and from that for the jews we see that during the month of september (hebrew month as i said b4 ELUL) the jews who observed the jewish law were saying a prayer called "forgiveness" in their morning prayer service (which is done for a month before the new year), got to work later that day, resulting in their lives being saved. Also the 5th plane, which was delayed was saved because an observant person forgot a religious artifact in the airport, and would not leave without it. That delay saved the passengers from death, because the 5th plane did not take off before the damage was done, and the airports were closed.

and this year, we see already so many things that even astrologically have meaning.

here are a few --->

the fact that mars recently got closer to the earth then in over 60,000 years, which if you are into kaballah and mystical teachings, mars has a meaning, and jewish tradition brings down that is a sign from G-d that the jews need to look themselves and possibly their actions. within this month of ELUL

the sudden change of pace in middle east politics, with israel *finally* declaring to get rid of arafat. Within this month of ELUL

the first religious based terrorist bomb on the #2 bus in jerusalem coming back from the western wall. within this month of ELUL

this new 'evil jewish barbie' story goes international, resulting in a very negative look at the jews. within this month of ELUL

One of the leading spiritual leaders of the Jewish people today, Rabbi Elyashiv has become very ill. He is a very righteous and honourable person and once again the tradition teaches that on any normal month when a righteous leader gets ill or dies it is a sign for the world that something may happen if the world doesn't correct its mistakes, and this has happened during the month which G-d sends us messages very openly, ELUL [direct link to the painful story click here: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell...d=1063440748704 ] within this month of elul.

these are the main ideas I bring that have support to my claim.

Kaballah and the teachings of the great sages historically have never been wrong. Look it up check out www.aish.com for a lot of good stuff, or www.askmoses.com to talk to someone live and the point of this message is to let everyone know ahead of time, that this year, if we don't ALL do something about it, then things that are shaping now could turn very VERY UGLY.

what things are shaping up?

The end of iraq and the beginning of a new change of leadership

the standoff with north korea

The new turn in the middle east with the booting of araft

Iranian Nucular capabilities

more and more worldwide terrorist threats


I just call out to all the Jews out there on this board (There are lots of them) and anyone who says they really believe in G-d, and I ask you to look inside, and find for yourselves the truth, and begin to search for it, and whatever situation is in your life, search for the truth today, ask questions, get answers, and don't accept anything until you've asked everything!

We all need to see that the world today is not doing so well. Everyone has different opinions, and the world is spliting apart slowly but surely.

I just hope we don't have any more signs for this month, and that G-d will forgive us for our sins...

Good nite everyone!!!


Do yourself a favour and commit suicide...your astrological preachings coupled with your religious fanaticism just goes to show how lost you are in your cyclically confused existence.


Posted by AnotherWay83 on Sep-14-2003 06:15:

what is that "evil jewish barbie" story u referred to abt?


Posted by DJBARON on Sep-14-2003 06:41:

Re: Re: to the jews and all believers on this board

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
Do yourself a favour and commit suicide...your astrological preachings coupled with your religious fanaticism just goes to show how lost you are in your cyclically confused existence.


you make a joke out of yourself man...

lol

cyclically confused existence? LOL


so the idea of G-d which has existed within civilization for millenia, but within recent history 100+ years, people have become detached from their spiritual side, and now we have people like this moron here that want to deny other people's knowledge?

this goes beyond anti-israel sentiment.
this year when cyrusking (hopefully) dies in an attack, and many others, if something does happen, I will refer back to this post. And we will see then how fanatical i am.

quote:
G-d?? God???.. if so.. are you ashamed saying god?? or.... why?. - im not a jew, but the best thing, and way to get your answers is by prayers. ( if you are a religous jew )


well basically I don't want to write G-d because it is a Jewish custom not to write or say the name of G-d for no reason. It is also a sign of respect.

you will call a professor 'Dr bob" and not just bob. So that is a symbollic way of that in this case. Or that is how I see it for the 8 years I've been online for

and the evil jewish barbie? refer to here for forum postings --->
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=128164

later guys I got classes!


Posted by ProDiGaL on Sep-14-2003 10:38:

im gonna say it again......
God, please save me from your followers.


Posted by DJBARON on Sep-14-2003 11:07:

quote:
Originally posted by ProDiGaL
im gonna say it again......
God, please save me from your followers.


what followers???

i am bringing in something here that many people hold by, take it or leave it dumbass


Posted by TranceGiant on Sep-14-2003 11:20:

riiiiiight.
You are totally contradicting yourself, it's ridiculous.

"we have september 11th, and from that for the jews we see that during the month of september (hebrew month as i said b4 ELUL) the jews who observed the jewish law were saying a prayer called "forgiveness" in their morning prayer service (which is done for a month before the new year), got to work later that day, resulting in their lives being saved. Also the 5th plane, which was delayed was saved because an observant person forgot a religious artifact in the airport, and would not leave without it. That delay saved the passengers from death, because the 5th plane did not take off before the damage was done, and the airports were closed.
"

believe and you'll be saved.

"the first religious based terrorist bomb on the #2 bus in jerusalem coming back from the western wall. within this month of ELUL
"

oops.


Posted by DJBARON on Sep-14-2003 15:30:

quote:
Originally posted by TranceGiant
believe and you'll be saved.


sorry i never said believe and you'll be saved.

I think i said: I ask you to look inside, and find for yourselves the truth, and begin to search for it, and whatever situation is in your life, search for the truth today, ask questions, get answers, and don't accept anything until you've asked everything!

which is not saying: believe and you will be saved! lol thats a christian concept not something I believe in at all!!

if i were saying "believe and you will be saved" how can you explain the fact that 'believers' were also killed in the holocaust?

i am saying that during the month of ELUL signs have been given to the believers of G-d in the world, that we better shape up.

that does not mean in blind belief in G-d that is ridiculus!


Posted by rizo on Sep-14-2003 17:05:

quote:
Originally posted by ProDiGaL
im gonna say it again......
God, please save me from your followers.
i agree, this is why i am a deist


Posted by LiquidX on Sep-14-2003 18:36:

Re: Re: Re: to the jews and all believers on this board

quote:
Originally posted by DJBARON
well basically I don't want to write G-d because it is a Jewish custom not to write or say the name of G-d for no reason. It is also a sign of respect.

you will call a professor 'Dr bob" and not just bob. So that is a symbollic way of that in this case. Or that is how I see it for the 8 years I've been online for

and the evil jewish barbie? refer to here for forum postings --->
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=128164

later guys I got classes!


Yeah I understand where your getting. Well, I know that in my religion, and I think that in every religion is actually bad to say God in Vain.. you know like.. "Oh My God".. know what I mean?!?! just like in prayers and stuff like that, but not to the other end as you seem to be doing it, like discussing about the topic and God just makes part of it. But I understand what you mean.


Posted by LiquidX on Sep-14-2003 18:42:

quote:
Originally posted by DJBARON
sorry i never said believe and you'll be saved.

I think i said: I ask you to look inside, and find for yourselves the truth, and begin to search for it, and whatever situation is in your life, search for the truth today, ask questions, get answers, and don't accept anything until you've asked everything!

which is not saying: believe and you will be saved! lol thats a christian concept not something I believe in at all!!

if i were saying "believe and you will be saved" how can you explain the fact that 'believers' were also killed in the holocaust?

i am saying that during the month of ELUL signs have been given to the believers of G-d in the world, that we better shape up.

that does not mean in blind belief in G-d that is ridiculus!



Well... there is a whole concept in what you said. Im a christian, and from our side, since we believe in Jesus, among other things.. like, dont get me wrong, but the Jews have ever since Moises times, after even been saved, have turned their backs and loose faith sooner then anything, even with the many proofs given. So I dont know, maybe because of those many things, along with rejecting Jesus (Thats what I believe, dont generalize all christians).. that its a community that will always be persecuted, and have always have.. they've gone through many hard things, and are and will be going through hard times, and one of those was the Holocaust.. but like I said, dont take this as a topic to discuss on the board.. dont get me wrong nor get mad at me.. just giving you another point of view, and to like tell you that the Believers part on the Holocaust dont really fit. And I have never use the "Believe and you will be saved " Concept hehehe.. I more like do the following. Follow the commandments, be righteous, build a testimony and have faith.. and that will lead you to be saved.



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