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On Sharing Secrets
Tiger Woods practices most of his natural born life to develop his swing. I read about it in Golf Magazine, he tells me precisely what he does. I get on hole one. I shank it.
We sit here at our desks tweaking for seven straight hours, we discover something unique, a "secret" if you will. I tell someone else this, they can duplicate in under a minute what just took us half a day or in some cases months to learn.
Having said that, what are your opinions on sharing secrets? It seems to be a fine balance. Seems like a good question.
as for sharing secrets I'm a bit split up...I love to help people that are new to the thing or that just need a little extra help but in order to get your "own sound" you just can't share everything you know 
but of course you must share a little knowledge but maybe not all...I mean if no one shared at all then we would all had a pretty hard time learning wouldn't we?
If I got it from someone else or if I read it somewhere, or if i just stumbled across it, then I'm happy to share it, but if its something i spent ages trying to figure out, i may keep it to myself. Not much of that though.
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| Originally posted by hey cheggy If I got it from someone else or if I read it somewhere, or if i just stumbled across it, then I'm happy to share it, but if its something i spent ages trying to figure out, i may keep it to myself. Not much of that though. |
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| Originally posted by dj_alfi just look at gouryella, why do you think theyve never shared theire bass sequence with the masses? |
Hope that helps you out.
Don't think I have any big secrets really.
I just mess around with different settings and sounds till it sounds good.
In my case (newbie here) I hate ppl that give you the "no you must learn on your own because if I teach you you will get part of my style you need to get your own" to me that is just selfish, I can share, but I don't like teaching, and if it took 7 ours to get something, you've got the upper hand when sharing something, you have the experience of the creation of such thing, for example if you did a preset on 3osc you know what little or big changes you need to create a totaly different sound, mean while the guy you gave the preset just knows the preset nothing else...
I used to get mad when ppl would not tell me how recreate a certein sound a big name producer uses. But ever since I've gotten better at recreating I don't get mad. I think people should learn by experimenting, because it will make you better at creating your on sounds later on.
True but sometimes teling you how to make it or giving you a preset won't hurt you much
The only reasoning I can see behind not sharing something is if you come up with something truly UNIQUE. I'd say that's pretty rarely the case and most times you're just trying to imitate something a big producer has already done (like a layered bassline, or lush lead synth).
I think we could all benefit from seeing the way some of the more standard sounds are constructed, and as a result of that I'm all for sharing things that I learn the hard way.
I know exactly what these people are doing and I'll call them on it:
They think that if they share secrets, that somehow they themselves will be less marketable as a producer. This is to imagine that the very newbie you help with one of your tips is somehow going to become a great musician, become signed, and then take the LAST AVAILABLE SLOT of DJ at the LAST RECORD LABEL. This sounds kind of ridiculous, but I felt the same way when I was in highschool - I'd write a rock song, and then instead of being happy about how cool it was, I'd instead get jealous and upset that one of my friends also wrote a song that was halfway decent. Thats just childish though.
People just need to realize that theres room enough for all of us. If everyone become an elite producer from better information sharing, we're still not all going to make it. More importantly, just because some people you shared secrets with get signed means in no way that you're any less of a producer, will have any less record label market for you, or will do anything but actually HELP you in the long run. Just imagine how much better YOU would be, if everyone you ever asked for a tip would give it out. Just imagine.
This of course like has been said, doesn't apply to a truly unique sound but GET REAL thats 1 in a million nowadays.
EDIT: Oh yeah and as far as Americans are concerned - DAMN people, America hasn't even really caught ON to trance yet, theres nothing you could do but help the trance situation here by sharing secrets.
End of Line.
I wish I had secrets to share...
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| Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I wish I had secrets to share... |
. Synthesis for one, i've never made anything like the stuff in shattered dreams. Breaks as well, tell me how you make them 
Ahh, well...
Mart did those synths in SD...
...and regarding of breaks, there's not much to tell, really.
I use a lot of hihats, all playing different patterns, some barely audible and some right on top. I also like to throw in some bit more obscure samples to keep it more interesting, though I usually keep them pretty subtle.
When doing breaks you can place the bass drum pretty much anywhere you like as long as the snare/clap is playing every second beat. That'll keep the flow.
Also, don't be afraid of using loops either. Loops are quite essential when doing breaks, and by slicing them to bits you get an extra flavour to them. Just don't let the main focus be on the loops, leave them in the background.
I could post samples from all the different patterns I have playing in one track but I don't have any webspace atm 
Oh, and variation is important in breaks as well. Repetitive breaks get very dull.
Mart & Nik are great with tips also Mike (MK-S) has been very helpfull in giving advice....alot of people dont like to share.
I like to share, I'm just a very bad teacher
i see it like this. my idea of music is very differnt from the rest of you guys. from what i've heard produced mostly hear on the forum (guys don't take this the wrong way...you guys are really good) most of you guys try and make typical trance tracks. i have a different aim. although the songs that i try to make aren't necessarily inovative, i have an idea in my head what i want and thats what i'm going to make. knowing how to make the sounds for it is the problem hehe, but its not like if you tell people how to make a sound or how to master that you're all gonna end up with the same thing.
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| Originally posted by dj-sean I think we could all benefit from seeing the way some of the more standard sounds are constructed, and as a result of that I'm all for sharing things that I learn the hard way. |
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| Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I like to share, I'm just a very bad teacher |
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| Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Ahh, well... Mart did those synths in SD... ...and regarding of breaks, there's not much to tell, really. I use a lot of hihats, all playing different patterns, some barely audible and some right on top. I also like to throw in some bit more obscure samples to keep it more interesting, though I usually keep them pretty subtle. When doing breaks you can place the bass drum pretty much anywhere you like as long as the snare/clap is playing every second beat. That'll keep the flow. Also, don't be afraid of using loops either. Loops are quite essential when doing breaks, and by slicing them to bits you get an extra flavour to them. Just don't let the main focus be on the loops, leave them in the background. I could post samples from all the different patterns I have playing in one track but I don't have any webspace atm Oh, and variation is important in breaks as well. Repetitive breaks get very dull. |
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| Originally posted by arctic I intend on trying breaks someday, so i'll take your advice when you do (btw, if you want something hosted, just ask, i can do it if need be ) |
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