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how come kontakt havent been sued yeT?

been meaning to post this for ages now. has anyone herd kontakt - show me a sign? its a blatant rip off of binary finary (1998 or 1999 whatever) y havent they sued? surely they havent given permission for this?

1. He is not famous, nor ever will be.
2. Ask Scooter.

Shane54 - Equinoxe 4 the same with DJ Quicksilver - Equinoxe 4
3 Drives - Greece2000 the same with DJ Quicksilver - Turkey 2000 (although it wasn't released,just in mp3 form)
J&R Project - Keep It Up (Original Mix) the same with D H T - Alone 2002
Luna Park - Space Melody the same with PPK - Resurrection
Michelle Nicol - Time the same with Clokx - Clocks

(the first ones are the originals or if you want the first tracks that came first out using the melody)

Noone was sued......so why should Kontakt be sued??At least he added some vocals

Edit:Also as a friend told me:
Armin Van Buuren - Blue Fear the same with Mauro Picotto - Like This Like That

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Originally posted by john2 Shane54 - Equinoxe 4 the same with DJ Quicksilver - Equinoxe 4 3 Drives - Greece2000 the same with DJ Quicksilver - Turkey 2000 (although it wasn't released,just in mp3 form) Edit:Also as a friend told me: Armin Van Buuren - Blue Fear the same with Mauro Picotto - Like This Like That

Both Shane 54 and DJ Quicksilver tracks are remakes of an old Jean-Michel Jarre track of the same name, and both also asked and were granted permission to release them.

And if i remember right at all, Picotto got some negative feedback from Armin about Like This Like That. Dunno if Armin did sue him though.

Is the DJ Quicksilver - Turkey 2000 real or just a mislabeled mp3? At least Turkey 2000 was Three Drives' followup to Greece 2000.

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And if i remember right at all, Picotto got some negative feedback from Armin about Like This Like That. Dunno if Armin did sue him though.

He got more than negative feedback from Armin Van Buuren. Picotto was taken to court and lost the case.

funk einsatz - punk same with ferry corsten - punk...(i might be retarded though)

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He got more than negative feedback from Armin Van Buuren. Picotto was taken to court and lost the case.

armin was dead rite in doing that fair fucks to him coz blue fear ended up being such a classic tune & picotto is a cock for making LTLT,do u know how much he got or what?any links to this story?

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Originally posted by Bondor funk einsatz - punk same with ferry corsten - punk...(i might be retarded though)

thats his alias..

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Originally posted by Bondor funk einsatz - punk same with ferry corsten - punk...(i might be retarded though)

Wasn't funk einsatz just the name when the track came out on promo, then later being released fully as Ferry Corsten - Punk?

I've actually seen the music video and there is the wording funk einsatz on the door of the club where the video is set.

I'm sure Konatkt got permission on a 5 year old buildup, and who cares really, this song actually sounds awesome.

it was my understanding that if u dont make any money of it, its ok. . . .

but watever happened to dj mystik? didnt he do something of the sort?

Heres 2 questions you have to ask yourself.


1. Do you not think that they got permission/paid royalties before they covered binary finary?

2. Even if they hadn't, and had been sued you wouldnt know anyway, would you?

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Originally posted by TwiloThunder Wasn't funk einsatz just the name when the track came out on promo, then later being released fully as Ferry Corsten - Punk? I've actually seen the music video and there is the wording funk einsatz on the door of the club where the video is set.

funk einsatz must be a ferry corsten alias.


Ransom - My Dance has also been known as Funk Einsatz - My Dance, and im guessing that randsom is therefore also a fc alias.

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Originally posted by Busy Child it was my understanding that if u dont make any money of it, its ok. . . . but watever happened to dj mystik? didnt he do something of the sort?

A big block of cheese fell on him and killed his ass.

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Originally posted by joeh funk einsatz must be a ferry corsten alias. Ransom - My Dance has also been known as Funk Einsatz - My Dance, and im guessing that randsom is therefore also a fc alias.

Nah, Ransom's two guys, it's nothing to do with Ferry. You're right, though, it used to be known as Funk Einsatz - My Dance. I suppose his remix was initially meant to be a cover of sorts, probably a copyright issue or something. Good tune anyway, better than Punk.

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Originally posted by moncster A big block of cheese fell on him and killed his ass.

lol.. yeah

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Originally posted by torontotrance He got more than negative feedback from Armin Van Buuren. Picotto was taken to court and lost the case.

Ahh, thanks. I wasn't sure if Armin really did that.

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Originally posted by john2 Michelle Nicol - Time the same with Clokx - Clocks (the first ones are the originals or if you want the first tracks that came first out using the melody)

Neither one of those is the original - they're both remixes of Coldplay's "Clocks" (along with several hundred other mixes).

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Originally posted by john2 Luna Park - Space Melody the same with PPK - Resurrection

the melody is from some old soviet movie if my memory serves me right! i prefer the luna park tune from these two btw!


and i think it's completely legal to make a cover of some tune as long as you make it yourself ie not from samples from the original, then you don't even have to have a permission to do it! but if you sample from the original you're going to need a permission! the original writer/composer/whatever get royalties automatically from these cover versions normally. if you give credit to the original writer/composer/whatever then it's legal, if not then it's illegal!
simple really! but i'm not sure where the royalties come from and how much are they, because i have bad memory!

the binary finary track is availible for reproduction with permission.

hence neo & farina's recent attempt aswell on the platipus label.


skip, you DO need persmission to copy melodies and all, adn you cant just credit tha original artist, you must have there permission and if the track is still licensed to a label, you must have the labels permission aswell (like positiva still own the rights to binary finary, hence hte re-release this yr inc ronski speed mix). the original artists does not automatically get royalties, they have to be agreed before hand if there are any at all.

another example is:

barbers adagio for strings is availible for reproduction without permission

because he's dead for one, and no label is going to re-release the original.

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Originally posted by Nell barbers adagio for strings is availible for reproduction without permission because he's dead for one, and no label is going to re-release the original.

How can you say the original? Its just a classical piece... designed to be played by an orchestra surely? so there is no 'original version'?

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Originally posted by Nell the binary finary track is availible for reproduction with permission. hence neo & farina's recent attempt aswell on the platipus label. skip, you DO need persmission to copy melodies and all, adn you cant just credit tha original artist, you must have there permission and if the track is still licensed to a label, you must have the labels permission aswell (like positiva still own the rights to binary finary, hence hte re-release this yr inc ronski speed mix). the original artists does not automatically get royalties, they have to be agreed before hand if there are any at all. another example is: barbers adagio for strings is availible for reproduction without permission because he's dead for one, and no label is going to re-release the original.

you don't need permission here in finland at least! and you can use some tracks like many years after the composer has died! i think it was 70 years or something like that, then you don't need even to pay the royalties!

how can scooter survive then if it's illegal to make covers without permission? they make nothing but covers and i'm pretty sure they haven't had a permission for most those tracks! why didn't m.i.k.e. sue them? because he had nothing on them! they hadn't done anything illegal!

that's the way it goes afaik! there's loads of covers but no one ever asks permission for those, because there's no need!

You're wrong, Skip.

In Finland you can play cover versions live (at gigs etc.) all you want but if you're going to put it on CD/vinyl you need a permission for it.

The only situations when it's ok to put cover versions on albums are:
A) The writer of the original/the label has approved it
B) The writer of the original/the copyright holder has been dead for a certain amount of time
C) No label owns rights to it.

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As far as the M.I.K.E./Scooter story goes, MIKE could sue them and win, easily... because Scooter's tracks are not covers - they don't give credit to the original, they just take the melody and insert it to their own tune.
Then again, I can't recall anyone saying MIKE didn't approve those versions...

are you sure about this?


damn! someone has been lying to me then! i read a massive explanation of how this all goes somewhere, but i guess it was all bullshit then!


damn! sorry about ranting then since i don't even know anything!

Well, actually, there are so many interpretations of the law that I'm not entirely sure myself. I'd like to get me a copy of the Finnish Law book and settle this for good.

I know that in the 1960's most Finnish tracks were actually covers of British/American songs but... hmm...

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