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Posted by Psionic on Sep-17-2003 23:08:

Bush admits Saddam's gov't had no ties to 9/11

Bush: No evidence Saddam was involved in 9/11 attacks

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush said Wednesday there was no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 -- disputing an idea held by many Americans.

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein had al Qaeda ties," the president said. But he also said, "We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11" attacks.

The president's comment was in line with a statement Tuesday by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who said he not seen any evidence that Saddam was involved in the attacks.

Yet, a new poll found that nearly 70 percent of respondents believed the Iraqi leader probably was personally involved. Rumsfeld said, "I've not seen any indication that would lead me to believe that I could say that."

The administration has argued that Saddam's government had close links to al-Qaida, the terrorist network led by Osama bin Laden that masterminded the September 11 attacks.

On Sunday, for example, Vice President Dick Cheney said that success in stabilizing and democratizing Iraq would strike a major blow at the "the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

And Tuesday, in an interview on ABC's "Nightline," White House national security adviser Condoleezza Rice said that one of the reasons Bush went to war against Saddam was because he posed a threat in "a region from which the 9/11 threat emerged."

In an appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press," Cheney was asked whether he was surprised that more than two-thirds of Americans in a Washington Post poll would express a belief that Iraq was behind the attacks.

"No, I think it's not surprising that people make that connection," he replied.

Rice, asked about the same poll numbers, said, "We have never claimed that Saddam Hussein had either direction or control of 9/11."

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/09/17/sp...h.ap/index.html


Well, looks like he just lost himself the 2004 election


Posted by malek on Sep-17-2003 23:51:

oops


hey the zionist-proamerican-prowar squad! where are thou?


Posted by occrider on Sep-18-2003 00:22:

quote:
Originally posted by ahlamalek
oops


hey the zionist-proamerican-prowar squad! where are thou?



Sorry, being entertained by the PP thread.

Anyway is this news? Rummy/wolfowitz have said as much numerous times in the past.

I thought this was clear after the congressional investigation report was released.


Posted by rizo on Sep-18-2003 00:28:

someone forgot to tell chaney!

quote:
But Cheney left that possibility wide open in a nationally televised interview two days ago, claiming that the administration is learning "more and more" about connections between Al Qaeda and Iraq before the Sept. 11 attacks. The statement surprised some analysts and officials who have reviewed intelligence reports from Iraq. (link)


quote:
Top ten reasons Americans believe Saddam Hussein and 9/11 are linked:

1. It would be impossible to fathom that America was attacked., and in response we attacked the wrong people.

2. Our army is in Iraq fighting, therefore they must be the enemy.

3. Iraq had reconstituted their nuclear program.

4. We trust our president, or naively want too.

5. Iraq used chemical weapons we gave them to kill their own people.

6. The economy is bad, we need a war and low interest rates.

7. What's good for Carlisle, Halliburton and Bechtel is good for America !!

8. Average American education is 3rd grade, keep them dumb and ignorant and you can get away with anything.

9. My president gave me a tax refund

10. #1 reason- Elvis lives in the white house!!


Posted by PhloTron on Sep-18-2003 00:28:

Re: Bush admits Saddam's gov't had no ties to 9/11

quote:
Originally posted by Galapidate
Bush: No evidence Saddam was involved in 9/11 attacks


"No, I think it's not surprising that people make that connection," he replied.




Maybe I don't understand why you think him saying this would lose an election? He's always stated Al-Qaeda ties, not necessarily 9/11 ties. It's unfortunate that people like to generalize and base decisions and opinions on little to no knowledge, or one sided knowledge of a situation. Plus, when you look all the way across the globe the general American Public looks at the Middle east as completely tied together...you must realize that the majority of the population doesn't spend a lot of time looking into foreign politics, nor relations, nor how big the middle east even is. Thus: 9/11 = Al-Qaeda=Saddam=Middle East. Thus supporting or not supporting efforts.

I'm kind of curious to know if you were some of the 'population' that made the assumtion as well? Not that there was a connection, but that since an article came out saying "no evidence of 9/11 connection", that there was in the past? A connection with Al-Qaeda isn't the same as a connection to 9/11.

You also have to remember that 1/2 the U.S. Population can't point to Washington DC on a map of their own country. It's sad really. But one persons "big story" is anothers "well duh".

Just my view.


Posted by MrSquirrel on Sep-18-2003 00:40:

During the whole pre-war debate there was a lot of insinuation on the part of the hawks in the administration that Iraq at least had some minor supportive role in Sept. 11. I will agree they never flat out declared it but they did try to give that impression. I don't think this is such big news.

Hans Blix saying he now believes that Iraq destroyed most or all of its WMD's back in 1992 and acted like they had them for the ensuing time to deter a military invasion is a better and more interesting story than another Bush comment. He could say 3 days from now that evidence has come to light.

You can't tell with politicians these days. Even the usually semi-predictable occrider throws you a curve ball now and then

MrS


Posted by DR86 on Sep-18-2003 00:55:

Everyone knew this all along.


Posted by ProDiGaL on Sep-18-2003 01:45:

quote:
Originally posted by DrummeRaver86
Everyone knew this all along.

Eveyone with a brain anyway
so this excludes DJBARON and mike automatically


Posted by Psionic on Sep-18-2003 02:28:

quote:
Originally posted by ProDiGaL
Eveyone with a brain anyway
so this excludes DJBARON and mike automatically


Making that comment was just plain stupidity coming from you. Now there'll be more flaming and it's because of people like you that they start.


Posted by LiquidX on Sep-18-2003 02:34:

Today we were heaving this nice discussion in my english class, my teacher even made a poll of what we thought of the war and what not. Anyways.. as I was saying, we were heaving this discussion about .. how many of the Hijackers were Iraquis.. Conclusion:NONE!!.. so we were all like, then why didnt the US go after Saudi Arabia? ( Since they are all from there, exept some from Egyo and LEbanon .. Im talking about the Hijackers here. ).. eitherway, this point has been said 1000 times.. so I wont keep saying.. and Yes.. Bush sucked his own foot today.


Posted by ProDiGaL on Sep-18-2003 04:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Galapidate
Making that comment was just plain stupidity coming from you. Now there'll be more flaming and it's because of people like you that they start.

wow, i dont know if i should be flattered or insulted.....


Posted by hardcore trancer on Sep-18-2003 05:20:

quote:
Originally posted by ProDiGaL
wow, i dont know if i should be flattered or insulted.....


lol,I'd say both??hehe


Posted by rizo on Sep-18-2003 06:10:

quote:
Originally posted by MrSquirrel
During the whole pre-war debate there was a lot of insinuation on the part of the hawks in the administration that Iraq at least had some minor supportive role in Sept. 11. I will agree they never flat out declared it but they did try to give that impression. I don't think this is such big news.
although true, they never stated 911/saddam connection. they did state a saddam/al qaeda connection, rumsfeld did anyway. most americans probaly viewed it this way... saddam = al qaeda = 911!

quote:
September 28, 2002
Rumsfeld Says U.S. Has �Bulletproof� Evidence of Iraq�s Links to Al Qaeda
By ERIC SCHMITT

ATLANTA, Sept. 27 � Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said today that American intelligence had "bulletproof" evidence of links between Al Qaeda and the government of President Saddam Hussein of Iraq. (link)



also LiquidX, iirc two of the hijackers were iraqis


Posted by LiquidX on Sep-18-2003 12:19:

quote:
Originally posted by rizen
also LiquidX, iirc two of the hijackers were iraqis


I'll get back to you with the article later on.. Im late now to class.


Posted by LiquidX on Sep-18-2003 23:25:

Ok Rizen. I got it. Look..

quote:
The Hijackers
There were 19 hijackers in all; five on three of the flights, four on one.

U.S. authorities believe that the hijackers were in two groups--six core organizers, who included the four pilots and two others, and the remaining 13, who came to the United States later, in pairs in the spring and summer of 2001 via the UAE.

The six organizers were the pilots--Mohammed Atta, Marwan Alshehhi, Ziad Jarrah, and Hani Hanjour--and Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi.

Several of the terrorist hijackers appeared to be traveling with false passports, assuming the identities of other people. Saudis Saeed Alghamdi, Abdulaziz Alomari, and Waleed M. Alshehri, whose photographs have appeared on CNN and other media outlets, have spoken to Saudi newspapers since the attack.

Their profiles do not seem to match that of past suicide terrorists (young, poor, uneducated and indoctrinated): many were in their late twenties and thirties, most with college educations, and had lived for prolonged periods of time in western countries. 15 came from Saudi Arabia. The remaining four came from Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and Lebanon.

There have been variations in the spelling of the names of the alleged hijackers in differing accounts of the attacks- one good example being the Alshehris from Flight 11. This is because there is no one correct way of translating from Arabic script to English letters.

Network Map of how hijackers were connected to each other and color-coded by their flight.

The hijackers aboard American Airlines flight 11 used the names

Waleed Alshehri
Wail M. Alshehri
Mohammad Atta
Abdulaziz Alomari
Satam Al Suqami
Mohammad Atta is believed to have flown Flight 11 into the North Tower.

Aboard United Airlines flight 175 the hijackers used the names

Marwan Alshehhi
Fayez Banihammad
Mohald Alshehri
Hamza Al Ghamdi
Ahmed Al Ghamdi
Marwan Alshehhi is believed to have flown Flight 175 into the South Tower.

The hijackers aboard American Airlines flight 77 used the names

Khalid al-Mihdhar
Majed Moqued
Nawaf al-Hazmi
Salem Al Hazmi
Hani Hanjour
Hani Hanjour is believed to have flown Flight 77 into the Pentagon.

The hijackers aboard United Airlines flight 93 used the names

Ahmed Al Haznawi
Ahmed Alnami
Ziad Jarrah
Saeed Alghamdi
Ziad Jarrah is believed to have been at the controls when Flight 93 crashed in Pennsylvania


Source: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septe...ttack/Hijackers


Posted by rizo on Sep-19-2003 02:22:

thanks for the clarification


Posted by Psionic on Sep-20-2003 01:43:

He really is.



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