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Your Definition of Cheese

ok ok ok... well im not the expert with this but i thought i had a good idea of what cheese tunes were... but ive noticed some people have different definitions of this word.. Im gettting a little confused *sigh* lets seeeeeeee let me know what ur definition of this word is.. and give some examples of the artist/song u think are cheesy

A track which took no talent to make and produce, and is aimed purely at commercial success.

OR a track which sounds really cringingly bad or out of place, i.e something that is trying to sound cool but ends up terrible.

Those epic tracks... here's some new ones... pure cheese!!!
Robert Gitelman - "Hatikva"
Cern - "The Message (Northern Mix)" -->doesn't sound that bad a first but then it's ruined half way through when the breakdown begins and gets into the typical epic crap!

Seriously now, "cheese" is a highly subjective thing: this is what may be confusing you. The best explanation I've heard about cheese is: It was once milk and after all those chemical reactions it becomes something that you don't even know if you can consider it food anymore. Get the analogy? Cheese is anything that tries too hard to be something else, but this is not necessarily a bad thing: Happy Hardcore is sure cheesy, but I find it more interesting than most prog I hear (prog seems to be the antithesis of cheese lately, that's why I chose it, but I could've chosen loads of other genres). Will I argue with prog-heads? No way, they won't change my mind and I won't change theirs.

Want a tip? don't waste your time thinking about what's cheesy and what's not. Listen to what you like and have fun

What Maaz said .. listen to lotsa stuff and develop your own definition of cheese.

I believe there were two threads about this already...

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Originally posted by Walter Mindz Those epic tracks... here's some new ones... pure cheese!!! Robert Gitelman - "Hatikva" Cern - "The Message (Northern Mix)" -->doesn't sound that bad a first but then it's ruined half way through when the breakdown begins and gets into the typical epic crap!

I'm amused that you list Cern - The Message as "cheese" while mentioning Euphonic - Asia in your sig, considering Asia is equally "epic" in a hands-in-the-air sense.

Unfortunately, people like Walter tend to use the term cheese to mean anything that they're too cool to listen to. Around here, some of the more sexually frustrated progheads will call any melodic trance cheese, so be careful who you ask.

So basically we all have our own ideas of what makes a track "cheesy" (I dislike the term), but I might be so bold as to say that my definition seems quite good.

A track is "cheese" if any of the following apply:

1. It contains significant vocal content that adds nothing to the track and/or detracts from the listening experience.

2. It is gimmicky; it contains a melody (or other element) that doesn't stand up to multiple listens.

3. It is overly simple/unrefined in terms of production and/or originality/complexity.

This is not to say that vocal trance is, by definition, cheese, nor that catchy equates to poor, nor that a simple track cannot be effective. And of course the above rules are relative and highly debatable. But it's a start...

the prog heads feel anyting with a melody is cheesey...reminds me of the house freaks...


Mizz

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J A track which took no talent to make and produce, and is aimed purely at commercial success.

so basically any original work by Ferry Corsten, hahaha... actually, i like his remixes...

Two words: WHO CARES
Listen to what you like, and don't listen to what you don't like. Simple as that. Cheese is a relative definition based on ones personal taste. Consdiering music is all about personal preference, it wouldn't make sense to ask others what they think of as a bad song. Fuck what they think, and do as you please.

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Originally posted by starglider A track is "cheese" if any of the following apply: 1. It contains significant vocal content that adds nothing to the track and/or detracts from the listening experience. 2. It is gimmicky; it contains a melody (or other element) that doesn't stand up to multiple listens. 3. It is overly simple/unrefined in terms of production and/or originality/complexity. This is not to say that vocal trance is, by definition, cheese, nor that catchy equates to poor, nor that a simple track cannot be effective. And of course the above rules are relative and highly debatable. But it's a start...

Dear god...I have stumbled into the cheesier-than-thou thread...
1. Vocals that add nothing to the content...yeah, ya know...like half of everything out there?
2. GIMMICKY? 99% of the recording industry is built on gimmicks and the like.
3. Simplistic or lacking in complexity? Music and rhythm and rhyme and harmony are the element of music, and everything is derived from them. In my opinions, the more simplistic a track is (no matter the layers involved) the better the song overall. In fact, progressive music is BUILT on the concept of simplicity.

Cheese has nothing at all to do with skill, or practical programming ability...rather it is a subjective term which those who are legens in their own minds, ya know...the "l33t d00dz" of the music community have determined to be such. Club trance is usually the first to fall into this category, however...there exists some anthems (See Silence, Zombie Nation, Ressurection, hell..even Sandstorm) that stand up to multiple listens, are amazingly simple, and have vocals that do nothing...

its in tuunel trance force 20+

Say Cheeeeeese .....

But I guess I'd say ... it is just an awful waste of space ... you get the idea...

EURODANCE is cheese, baby. Z103 (TO's radio station) has just overplayed it, its so annoying, songs sound alike ... plus the whole gay community loves eurodance - total turn-off for me. No offence to anyone. As for non-dance&electronica music genres like rock, pop and rap ... that's much worse than cheese, what do you call that ...\

Agree!

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Originally posted by Viber [CHEESE] its in tunnel trance force 20+

Absolutely.

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Originally posted by MrMiyagi so basically any original work by Ferry Corsten, hahaha... actually, i like his remixes...

lol, nothing of ferry's has been commercially sucessful for 4 years.

If your using that criteria for selection whats cheesy, how about going for Paul Van Dyk? He outsells ferry, but obviously he isnt cheese.

I would also like to remind all the prog heads that sasha is signed to a pop music label.

one definintion of cheese could be a song that is catchy and appeals to the masses, but isn't able to hold a long attatchment to the masses.

if you wanna use general music, you can use say the backstreet boys. they were huge for a while, and eventually their fame died out.
then you compare that to say pink floyd's dark side of the moon. an absolute masterpiece that appealed the masses and is still loved to this day.

now in the electronic dance music world i'd consider most club anthems cheese. stuff that your run of the mill person who really doesn't know much about dance music loves. like DJ sammy - heaven.
but hey, theres nothing wrong with likeing it.
when i first got into electronica i listend to sandstorm all the time.
along with ATB, and DJ Jean - the launch, and zombie nation - kernkraft 400 .
when i was into this stuff, i remember i heared john digweed's GU Los Angeles and Bedrock albums, and i thought it was soooooooooooooooo boring. i was like what the hell is this. nothing is happening .

not until i had really listend for a long time and started DJing, did i really get into the music that would be considered "good" or "not cheesey."

but really in the end though, it all comes down to subjectivity. just listen to what you like. thats what its all about. don't be detered from your music just because someone else puts it down. listen to what they have to say, but continue to listen to what you like. tastes tend to change over time.

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Originally posted by joeh If your using that criteria for selection whats cheesy, how about going for Paul Van Dyk? He outsells ferry, but obviously he isnt cheese.

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I love PvD. he's a great DJ, and i enjoy his songs. i wouldnt say that they weren't cheese though

Surely a cheesy track is like one of those photo's where everyone's been asked to say "Cheese" for the cliched classic pose....

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