please...no more sung vocals in trance tunes

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Posted by Trancevision on Sep-20-2003 00:01:

please...no more sung vocals in trance tunes

quote:
Originally posted by ktw

Trance has become extremely commercialised, and i'm not very impressed at all with all this 'female vocal trance' thats coming out nowadays.

Granted we now have the technology to layer vocals perfectly onto tunes so that they 'blend' instead of sounding out of place, but, what ever happened to...

...'letting the music speak for itself'?

Trance music by nature is supposed to send the listener into some kind of 'trance' or 'higher state'.

With all the female vocal tracks being forced into the limelight they are turning into 'songs' rather that trance tracks.

Give me,
#Paul Van Dyk - For An Angel,
#System F - Out Of The Blue,
#Gouryella - Gouryella,
#Westbam feat Red Jerry - Wizards OF The Sonic, Or
#Mauro Picotto....

... any day of the week.

It might just be me but didn't all this cheesy dance start with Miss 'Ian Van Dahl'.

Anyway thats my opion.....

Regard

KTW

I onced liked sung vocals in trance tunes, when it was a rare and beautiful phenomenon like in Delerium - Silence...

I can't stand it anymore standard sounds and cheap melodies with those cheesy vocals...

I wonder what you all feel about it. Do you like trance more like it is today ?

Trancevision

Posted by TriXed on Sep-20-2003 00:07:

What you guys are talking about is what i class and Chessy Shitty Chart Wank (a.k.a Euro Dance) and yes i agree.. i think its all the fucking same... from a non-trance fan i expect everything sounds the "same" to them.. but yeah this so called "Trance" has been giving Proper trance a bad name... but we cant really stop it becuase bad boy racers and 13-15 yr old girls love the shit and buy it up like M&M Chocolate Bronwies reduced to 10p instead of 75p (sorry for that comment.. but was a great deal for me,lol!) So the shamless music producers dish it up with a side order of an ugly bitch singing random words that dont mean anything.. "fly on the ings of love.. fly baby fly..hopefully you will fall and then you will die... la la la la " (2nd part was my idea.. just in-case you thought it was the real lycis..:P)

Just my Views, TriXed

Posted by Clyde77 on Sep-20-2003 00:13:

i love trance the way it is right now...

so what ama do is just sit here. and watch u guys flame each other.

this thread will proly go up to 60 pages.

who's with me

peace out.

Posted by Joca on Sep-20-2003 00:28:

This subject has come up before. If you don't like these vocal tracks, don't buy them or don't listen to them. It's as simple as that.

Posted by [mart] on Sep-20-2003 00:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Carona
If you don't like these vocal tracks, don't buy them or don't listen to them. It's a simple as that.

I'm with you. There is absolutely no point trying to force your opinions on others - everyone is entitled to like what they like and not have their musical preferences called into question by deluded people who think they know better. *Insert smilie of choice here*

Posted by montie on Sep-20-2003 01:03:

all i can say is thank god for dubs.

most vocals in trance songs (well really most dance songs in general) are cheesy and stupid. many of the vocalists have very beautiful voices tho (partly due to editing done in the sound studio).

i love tracks which have vocals where you don't know what they are saying. like some indian or tribal woman singing their heart out. or when they are in some language i don't know.
also i like it when the vocals are choped up and filtered and whatever so that you can't actually make out what they are saying like in james holden - nothing (93b returning mix)

Posted by Wretched on Sep-20-2003 01:35:

One upside to cheesy vocal tracks is that they can sometimes produce great remixes.

Take Vincent de Moor - Fly Away (The Thrillseekers Remix) for example.

OR The Space Brothers - Everywhere I Go (PvD Rework)

Posted by Cobalt on Sep-20-2003 01:40:

My opinion on vocals not too long ago was more or less "bring it on!" But they really have gotten out of hand, particularly with "Reflections." Apparently all the vocal trance I like was well-produced, too. Most of the newer vocal stuff isn't, and takes notes from eurodance.

It's time for instrumental work to come back into the limelight.

Posted by dJohn on Sep-20-2003 01:51:

Damn I see these kinds of posts everyday!
Vocals can be good...alot of really good vocal trance out there, but yeah generally I steer away from vocals for the most part.
But telling other people how you think of vocals...well that's great that you feel however you do, but realize, that no body on this board gives anyways...so posts like this are pointless(I learned too)
You don't have to let everybody know about your opinions, especially if they are negative. Just listen for your own satisfaction man.

Posted by Magnetonium on Sep-20-2003 02:04:

Great topic ...

I experienced many of the electronica's transitions in the last 15 or so years ... and I do see what you guys are getting to. One of the reasons why I no longer like eurodance its because it was so much overplayed on the stupid Z 103.5 radio station here in southern ontario, that I began to like the tunes without vocals more. I just cant stand eurodance anymore, especially the new stuff ... bla bla .... zzzzzz (some classics are good). Its annoying and sounds so similar ... I do see that vocals are becoming more common in dance & electronica music nowadays and I am worried a bit. But the original vocal s that sound different from others do make amazing songs! /// stuff like that

Posted by mmilo on Sep-20-2003 02:32:

quote:

james holden - nothing (93b returning mix)

listen for your own satisfication indeed..
what a kickass song

Posted by whiskers on Sep-20-2003 03:19:

oh no.

yet another dude trying to change the world.

good luck on that, buddy. i'm gonna eat some chips and get back to me with the results, all righty?

Posted by Rakoon on Sep-20-2003 04:50:

quote:
Originally posted by montie
all i can say is thank god for dubs.

most vocals in trance songs (well really most dance songs in general) are cheesy and stupid. many of the vocalists have very beautiful voices tho (partly due to editing done in the sound studio).

i love tracks which have vocals where you don't know what they are saying. like some indian or tribal woman singing their heart out. or when they are in some language i don't know.
also i like it when the vocals are choped up and filtered and whatever so that you can't actually make out what they are saying like in james holden - nothing (93b returning mix)

This basically sums up my thoughts.

Posted by armandzadza on Sep-20-2003 04:55:

Posted by Evil_Gnome on Sep-20-2003 05:35:

I was just gonna start a topic like this. I think that in some songs, the vocals just ruin the whole thing. I have heard tracks with great beats, but the vocals just ruin the whole thing.

Posted by billboo on Sep-20-2003 10:17:

and sometimes the music ruins some mighty fine vocals, isn't it great that we can all have opinions

Posted by Trancevision on Sep-20-2003 11:48:

quote:
Originally posted by whiskers
oh no.

yet another dude trying to change the world.

good luck on that, buddy. i'm gonna eat some chips and get back to me with the results, all righty?

would be cool to save the world

actually I am just in search how many people here on ta feel like me and how many love the vocal trance stuff...and how many hate it...

Trancevision

Posted by TriXed on Sep-20-2003 11:57:

Well in the UK its gotten out of hand.. so i cant really speak to you about the us or other countries.. but i have had enough of "Ian Van Dal" and "scooter"....

Posted by Settepotet on Sep-20-2003 12:17:

Latest, and a horrible one, example of this trend.

Plastic Boy - Live Another Life (Vocal Mix)

It totally ruins the track!

Posted by arctic on Sep-20-2003 12:23:

When done well, vocals are amazing, when done badly, they suck.

Same as anything else in music really

Posted by DjSimonB on Sep-20-2003 17:09:

Some vocal tracks are good (although I've hardly heard any this year) but some can ruin the track.

I'm talking about proper trance, euro-cheese is a different story altogether.

Posted by Allyn on Sep-20-2003 17:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Evil_Gnome
I was just gonna start a topic like this. I think that in some songs, the vocals just ruin the whole thing. I have heard tracks with great beats, but the vocals just ruin the whole thing.

And then there are some tracks that the instruments ruin the vocals (like it was said)

And then there are tracks where vocals are used to their fullest extent as an enhancement to the track, which can take the track to the next level.

Posted by Z1D on Sep-20-2003 18:12:

Vocals are much more likely to ruin a song than improve it IMO

Posted by NYCTrancefan on Sep-20-2003 19:25:

Vocals are one of the key components that I love about Trance, I think what you have to be critical about is the cheesy songs that don't seem to have much creation to them. such as Mark Oh aka DJ Sammy aka Scooter who samples everything from past productions of other music, no originality whatsoever along with the other lalalalalala out there. I just ignore those songs, that simple.

Posted by MrMiyagi on Sep-20-2003 21:12:

i think the worst vocals, are the songs in which vocals werent originally in it... example, "Flight 643"... that song was fine by itself, but when it turned into "Love is on Fire", it went to hell... other examples of this, "Toca", "Stringer", and maybe some 4 String songs, but i cant verify that... the good vocals songs, IMO generally are the songs in which vocals were originally a part of the song... while on subject, my favorite vocalist of all time will always be Maria Naylor, oh her voice, mmmmmmmmm...

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