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Posted by Dj Spiel on Sep-22-2003 16:34:

Making Into Multiple Tracks?

Ok, I use Soundforge to records my demos I was wondering is there any way I can make it so it doesn't record continuous? That way It can be in tracks,so I don't have to fast forward the whole cd just to hear one part. YOu know what I am saying?


Posted by Alekos on Sep-22-2003 21:30:

I wanna know too


Posted by SgtFoo on Sep-22-2003 21:39:

I have sound forge 6 and unless the batch record has a function for splitting while recording, you're out of luck. If you split the mix after it's all recorded, then yes, it's possible. You could also record with SF's Acid. and save the individual tracks after you manually breakup the long mix.

Look into cool-edit or total recorder. I have no idea, but maybe they do split recording like u want.


Posted by `pr0digy on Sep-22-2003 22:03:

You could make a .cue file and then get a proggy that splits mp3's based on the cue file... I'm sure there's an easier way though, I'm sure CoolEdit would work.


Posted by Dj Thy on Sep-22-2003 22:40:

Sadly Soundforge doesn't support disk at once burning. So there's no way to make such cd's (continuous music but with skippable tracks).

So either you can get another audio editing program that can do all this (CD architecht from sonicfoundry, Wavelab, Samplitude), or use a cd burning program that can split a long audio stream in separate tracks without audible pauses (nero springs to mind).

You just have to make sure the program supports Disk at Once and not Track at Once (this mode ALWAYS adds the 2s pause between tracks). Then set your cd track markers and make sure the pause between tracks is 0 (the first pause before track 1 always has to be at least 2s).

Either way you need to do it after the actual recording. There's no way the program is able to tell when you are mixing in a new tune (if anyone succeeds to do this, well, congrats big time ). So you'll have to indicate the splits yourself.


Posted by bachatu on Sep-22-2003 23:57:

Easiest way will be to record your long mix or wave file, then create a .cue file and record using a program that supports cue files, like nero or cdrwin.
As for creating cue files, use CDRCUE, it is very simple to do. It supports both mp3 & wave files, which is nice.
By using this program, you can easily tell it where to mark your new tracks.. it creat small markers throughout this wave file, then you open the cue file you saved making the program, and record with your program.


Posted by Kiragan on Sep-23-2003 20:45:

Actually, you can do it in Sound Forge. It's not easy, but once you get the hang of it, you can control to the millisecond where each new track begins. I can't explain the exact process off the top of my head, but here is a synopsis. You create a marker where you want each split. Then you convert the markers to regions and export the regions. You end up with a wav file for each track.


Posted by Dj Spiel on Sep-23-2003 21:32:

Soundforge

Ok so let's say I do what you just said. Then I hit record on SOUNDFORGE and start mixing for let's say an hour. I hit stop. Then I close it. And save it in a directory. Your telling me instead of it recording continuous that it will have saved my Demo Mix in multiple WAVS?


Posted by Dj Spiel on Sep-23-2003 22:24:

Damn

Fuck! this shit is hard I do everything then when I save it it just saves as ONE WAV FILE.


Posted by montie on Sep-23-2003 22:44:

i've done it before. its not hard to do at all. its just a pain in hte arse.
what you do is you hit hte record button and record your set for however long it is.
save your file as a .wav
then go thru it, find where you do the transitions, and cut those sections into individual tracks and save those as .wav files.

so you go thru. find where your first song ends and your second song starts. highlite from the begining of the mix to that part. cut it (ctrl-x) then open a new file, paste it, save it as track01.wav (or whatever). then do the same process for track 2, track 3, track 4 etc.
then open up nero or whatever program you use to burn cds. import each individual .wav file into there. make sure they are all in order and that disc at once is turned on (or whatever thefeature is called that does not put any space between teh tracks). then burn the CD.


Posted by Dj Spiel on Sep-23-2003 22:59:

quote:
Originally posted by montie
i've done it before. its not hard to do at all. its just a pain in hte arse.
what you do is you hit hte record button and record your set for however long it is.
save your file as a .wav
then go thru it, find where you do the transitions, and cut those sections into individual tracks and save those as .wav files.

so you go thru. find where your first song ends and your second song starts. highlite from the begining of the mix to that part. cut it (ctrl-x) then open a new file, paste it, save it as track01.wav (or whatever). then do the same process for track 2, track 3, track 4 etc.
then open up nero or whatever program you use to burn cds. import each individual .wav file into there. make sure they are all in order and that disc at once is turned on (or whatever thefeature is called that does not put any space between teh tracks). then burn the CD.


Ok.. Step by Step this is what I do.
1.)I record my set
2.)Then I insert markers.
3.)Then I go to in soundforge special/Region List/markers to regions.
4.)Then I save the file to my desktop. (THAT's whhere the problem is it only saves one WAV!!!!


Posted by montie on Sep-24-2003 01:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Spiel
Ok.. Step by Step this is what I do.
1.)I record my set
2.)Then I insert markers.
3.)Then I go to in soundforge special/Region List/markers to regions.
4.)Then I save the file to my desktop. (THAT's whhere the problem is it only saves one WAV!!!!



ahh yes. thats where your going wrong. the markers are uncessary.
you have to cut each section or track and paste it into a new file then save it as a new .wav

so what you would do after your record
is go to the begining, and highlite from the begining all the way until you want your first song to end and your next track to start.
find that point, then cut the selection from the begining to that point.
then go to file->new then paste the selection
save
then go back to your orig. file.
now the begining of the file should be starting on your second track, where the first track ended (be sure you cut, not copy)
repeate process.


Posted by Arsalan on Sep-24-2003 05:52:

just convert the wav to mp3 and then get mp3cue & make a cue


Posted by Dj Spiel on Sep-24-2003 06:02:

??

Can you explain step by step? Please.


Posted by Psygnosis on Sep-24-2003 06:29:

Err why the hell would you do this?????????

Copy your set for that one hour then make a .cue file, check the HELP of CDRWIN to know how, then burn the WAV file of the set with the cue file...

then all the songs will be cut.


Posted by montie on Sep-24-2003 06:31:

Re: ??

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Spiel
Can you explain step by step? Please.


i thought i did

after you are done recording save your sound file as a .wav file (Don't convert to Mp3! Only convert the file to an mp3 when you are ready to save the whole sound file as a sound file for keeping on your hard drive).
you will now have one big .wav file.
now there are severaly ways to do this, but this is the quickest.
go to the very begining of your sound file (that window with all those crazy sinusoidal curves put together into one graph).
listen to the recording and find the point on the sound file
theres a scroll bar at the bottom of the window you can use to search forward and backward in the recording. you place your mouse where you want to play and it will put a curser there and you can hit space bar and the file will play. find the point where the first transition starts. scroll around and find the exact time atwhich you want the first track to end and the second track to start. once you find that position. put the cursor there and highlite that point all the way to the begining of the recording. you just highlite it in a similar fashion as you would a text document. now go to edit->then cut
this will cut out that selection from the master recording (don't worry, the changes aren't final until you save that recording file).
now you go to file->new
then you click in that new window that opens, put the cursor in there and select paste
now that selection you made from the very begining to the point you chose as the end of the first track and the begining of the second track will be placed in that window. now make sure that the new window is the active window (shown by the fact that its title bar is blue). and go to file->save as save this file as track01.wav.
you can now close that file.
now your master recording will start at the point you decided track 2 should be begin. so now follow the same process as you did for the first track to obtain track 2.

once you have all the tracks saved you can go into nero (or whatever burning software you use) and select all those tracks to put on your CD. Make sure in your properties of your burning software that Disc At Once is selected, this will tell the software to not put the 2.00 second delay between the tracks. also (this is how it works for my nero) you have to select the individual tracks you placed into your new CD compilation and go to properties and make sure that nero didn't add an additional 2.00 seconds to end of the sound file.


hope this clarifies things.

good luck


Posted by Dj Spiel on Sep-24-2003 19:11:

That program sucks.


Posted by dj aki on Sep-24-2003 19:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Spiel
Ok.. Step by Step this is what I do.
1.)I record my set
2.)Then I insert markers.
3.)Then I go to in soundforge special/Region List/markers to regions.
4.)Then I save the file to my desktop. (THAT's whhere the problem is it only saves one WAV!!!!

after step 3, you go to tools and click on extract regions.
then it should split your mix into tracks.
but sometimes if you don't insert the marker in the right place,
you will still hear little gap between tracks even though you burn it as disc at once.


Posted by Dj Spiel on Sep-24-2003 21:00:

Thanks

Now that is a good explanation. (The Post before mine)I'll try it out and see if it works.


Posted by skream on Sep-26-2003 02:06:

you guys would be surprised how well MP3 cutter works...
I think theres a link to it on this site somewhere.



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