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For all people from the USA

Do you guys vote?

If more young people would vote we could be a powerful voting bloc.
Instead they trample on us because of our apathy.

I know it's a pain in the ass to vote, but if you don't, you can't complain about why you can't find a job, why your parents or relatives are losing their jobs, why your cousin is in Iraq dodging terrorists' bullets for energy companies, why you pay taxes for social security while it won't be of any help to you when you're old (if trends continue), why you're having trouble paying for college while Bill Gates is 4 billion richer from tax breaks, why you get an asthma attack when you breath the air in some cities, why it's unsafe to eat more than one can of tuna fish per week because of high levels of heavy metals in the oceans, why the last 3 percent of the Earth's giant redwood trees could soon be lost to greed, why most other countries hate us, why the government still insists on a war on drugs when many police officers talk of how fruitless it is, why 12 year old little girls in housing projects are being sued by large corporate interests instead of adopting a more sensible approach to file sharing....



Don't you want this to mean something again?



I do.

Thanks for your time.

<3 David

i cant wait to vote man. good call.

im moving out of this country if bush gets re-elected. and if he does, then whenever someone says americans are stupid, i'll just yep, most of them are.

Vote Dean. Don't make me come over there....

*shakes fist*

i vote in primaries by absentee ballot--that's dedication

I definatley vote
I just wish I knew more extensivly about what all of the candidates policies are...

btw people, Congressional elections are MUCH more important than presidential ones, so don't skip out on those.

I plan to vote and vote Bush out, I supported him on Iraq but more and more things just look sad, in that they can't even secure the damn place, no weapons that I was convinced was there, along with a lack of political direction for this great nation of ours. I would never resort to the American bashing that the Europeans have resorted to, I expect it from the Arab world, but Bush truly lacks any firm vision for this nation and I am tired of his rhetoric about we will defeat the terrorists. Enough already find them, kill them and move on. One thing to remember unlike Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Bush has to face the people in 2004, America is bigger than G.W. Bush and that is the good thing about democracy, you can can his ass. So when people bash America I say at least we can always get rid of our president, unlike some other places around this maddening world.

I turned 18 back in February, so I haven't gotten to vote yet, but I don't know if I even will.

im not 18 yet so i cant legally.

actually, recently i went to the Boston Freedom Rally (aka Hempfest). it surprised the hell out of me how many people just came to smoke up and actually boo'd at the public speakers when they were talking about voting. all these people want weed to be legalized yet nobody wants to vote for it

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Originally posted by Aya Brea I turned 18 back in February, so I haven't gotten to vote yet, but I don't know if I even will.

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Originally posted by Lost Inhibition im not 18 yet so i cant legally. actually, recently i went to the Boston Freedom Rally (aka Hempfest). it surprised the hell out of me how many people just came to smoke up and actually boo'd at the public speakers when they were talking about voting. all these people want weed to be legalized yet nobody wants to vote for it

That's the kind of apathy I'm talking about. Sad.

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Originally posted by Renegade Vote Dean. Don't make me come over there.... *shakes fist*

LOL.

-edited my comment because it was in poor taste.

im trying to vote for kerry

It's not always a sign of apathy. I just choose not to vote because I don't know enough about the candidates. Then again, all the information we receieve through the media is usually false or exaggerated, so it's very hard to make an educated decision.

I'd much rather only those who do their research and understand politics vote, than every Tom, Dick and Harry voting by eeny-meeny-miny-moe.

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Originally posted by Omegasox It's not always a sign of apathy. I just choose not to vote because I don't know enough about the candidates. Then again, all the information we receieve through the media is usually false or exaggerated, so it's very hard to make an educated decision.

That's soooo soooo true, and a great point.

It's hard to keep track of so many candidates sometimes and what they stand for, but it just amuses me why so many people complain about how shitty things are while they don't vote (at least some of the time). They have the power to change things if they don't like them.

i hate politics but i still vote.

18 in December. Will vote next election.

i really respect what you're saying, but i'm completely uneducated when it comes to politics, and i know it
so i'd vote, cause i, like a lot of people i know, don't really want to put bush into power
but also, i don't feel that with my level of understanding i should be voting
i mean voting's good and all and people should, but ONLY if they understand all of the candidate they're choosing's views and support them. telling people just to go vote even if they're not properly educated is probably part of the reason why bush is in power now

do you really think you can attribute things like why you don't have a job or why your job sucks to the president?

i think this is probably naiive. anyway, the "choices" you get in this democracy are not really options. you have two parties and only their nominees that will ever be voted to office. in the grand scheme of things, it's a choice between two very close things. the distinctions that seperate democrats and republicans are minute. it is impossible to vote someone into presidency who actually stands for something different or novel. if that's what you want, who are you going to vote for?

i have friends that really like nader for example. they might vote, but their vote is just a record somewhere in the books. it will never count in consequence. if people feel this way and decide not to vote, i understand their 'apathy'. it's basically refusing to make the choice between two things you don't agree with.

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Originally posted by umes23 i have friends that really like nader for example. they might vote, but their vote is just a record somewhere in the books. it will never count in consequence. if people feel this way and decide not to vote, i understand their 'apathy'. it's basically refusing to make the choice between two things you don't agree with.

So? If you ask me that's no excuse to not vote. Only 51% of the population actually voted in the 2000 elections. Of the remaining 49% if only 15% of those people are those who are disillusioned with both parties and didn't vote either green or independant because they didn't think it would "matter", actually came out to vote, that alone would be enough to draw widespread attention to those parties and make them serious contenders in future elections. At the very least the two main parties would be forced to examine the reasons why the green/independant party were attracting such a large following and adjust their policies somewhat to attract those voters. People who complain and don't vote disgust me. Even if a person disagrees with EVERY single candidate on the ballot they should at the very least vote for the candidate that is the LEAST offensive. To do otherwise is like being offered the choice of being shot in the foot or being shot in the head and not choosing which one you want because both suck .

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Originally posted by Renegade Vote Dean. Don't make me come over there.... *shakes fist*

Shake your fist all you want ... hell no!

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Originally posted by occrider So? If you ask me that's no excuse to not vote. Only 51% of the population actually voted in the 2000 elections. Of the remaining 49% if only 15% of those people are those who are disillusioned with both parties and didn't vote either green or independant because they didn't think it would "matter", actually came out to vote, that alone would be enough to draw widespread attention to those parties and make them serious contenders in future elections. At the very least the two main parties would be forced to examine the reasons why the green/independant party were attracting such a large following and adjust their policies somewhat to attract those voters. People who complain and don't vote disgust me. Even if a person disagrees with EVERY single candidate on the ballot they should at the very least vote for the candidate that is the LEAST offensive. To do otherwise is like being offered the choice of being shot in the foot or being shot in the head and not choosing which one you want because both suck .

yeah, voting for another party's candidate would help that candidate gain more attention. if you believed in such a person, you should go vote for them for support. but you can be disgusted all you want and others will disagree. i for one would not vote for someone unless they represented me in some way. you have a different outlook than me. to pick the least offensive is really pointless in my view. voting for someone is asking for them to be in power. i would do so only if i wanted this. you can make your statements but consider history and reality for a second. if in the end, your vote does not count for anything you actually believe in, why bother?

i would vote ... but i gotta get my U.S citizenship first... lol... first things first

Not 18 yet..so I cannot vote..but I follow politics as much as I can so that I can be well educated upon the trends and what is mudslinging so I can make an educated choice within the candidates...and what me and my mom agreed on the day before the last presidential election came true...we said that if Bush was elected..we would be in war within 2 years...so sad it came true..

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Originally posted by Omegasox It's not always a sign of apathy. I just choose not to vote because I don't know enough about the candidates. Then again, all the information we receieve through the media is usually false or exaggerated, so it's very hard to make an educated decision. I'd much rather only those who do their research and understand politics vote, than every Tom, Dick and Harry voting by eeny-meeny-miny-moe.

but would you not rather make SOME decision than none? Every time that you do not vote counts for at least two votes. 1 less for the candidate that you'd want and one extra for the candidate that you don't want, since you reduce the total amount of votes.

ps.: yes i vote by absentee ballot in germany.

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Originally posted by umes23 if in the end, your vote does not count for anything you actually believe in, why bother?

'cause you get to choose the lesser of the evils. i like the shot in head/ shot in foot analogy.
would you rather limp for a couple of weeks, or be dead?

Voting just shows that your part of the system... Don't vote, get everyone to NOT vote. When there's a "None of the above" option, THEN vote.

"A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight for democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in a national election."

- Bill Vaughan

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