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Originally posted by Temporal Rhythm Sorry guys, we are very late with the promotions on this event. Yes it will be at Palazzos. It is part of a fundraiser for John Nunziata who is running for mayor of Toronto. He supports club culture which is why he has chosen to use a club event as a fundraiser for his campaign. The admission will be tax deductable, therefore you will receive most of it back when doing your taxes. We will try and get all the info up for everyone ASAP. TR

What happend to progressive music? seems like it is all trance and techno. We felt left out. Palazzio have 2 rooms so book other room for progressive/tribal/nu-school breaks.

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Originally posted by mecha What happend to progressive music? seems like it is all trance and techno. We felt left out. Palazzio have 2 rooms so book other room for progressive/tribal/nu-school breaks.

sorry to be blonde here...but who is "we?"

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Originally posted by mecha What happend to progressive music? seems like it is all trance and techno. We felt left out. Palazzio have 2 rooms so book other room for progressive/tribal/nu-school breaks.

For that, you can probably go to any of the other 10 billion prog events in Toronto that night.

Plus I see you know your Palazzo geography well... heh.

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Originally posted by mecha What happend to progressive music? seems like it is all trance and techno. We felt left out. Palazzio have 2 rooms so book other room for progressive/tribal/nu-school breaks.

They should also make another Room for Classic Rave tunes eh?

ummmmmmmmmmmmm Art...I don't think it was meant in that way. Besides there most likely are going to be prog dj's there, Ivals for one can spin prog, and I'm sure they will not do trance Allllllllllllllllll night, have to spice it up with some variety...

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Originally posted by trancearmada mecha is right, there are lot's of TA's that wanna hear progg too, so telling us to fuck off (no in those words, but still) does not make us feel like a part of this community no does it... and than everyone bitches that TA is falling apart, that is exactly the why

Perhaps I am blonde AND blind, but who alluded to telling you to fuck off?

There have been numerous progressive DJs spin at TA and related events, and prog is probably one of the better represented genres in this city, with nights like Breathe and spin Saturdays. Trance and techno are certainly down there at the bottom, however.

spice things up with prog? surely u must be kidding!!!


:P

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Originally posted by trancearmada mecha is right, there are lot's of TA's that wanna hear progg too, so telling us to fuck off (no in those words, but still) does not make us feel like a part of this community no does it... and than everyone bitches that TA is falling apart, that is exactly the why

Dude, Chill out. I wish they Had UK HArd house events in TO too but I know it will be a while for that to happen. Some day there will be dw. Some scenes, likes prog, that are more popular in other cities/countries also did not get popular over night. Be PAtient Art, one day this city will have prog events and have all prog/tech events. It all takes time. take care

PUH-LEEEEEZE...

You don't see me asking for a jungle room, or Jeff asking for a techno room, do you?

to that "part of the community" comment... as IF that would be the reason why TA is "falling apart" (which it isn't, I can't understand that comment either).

What a ridiculous discussion this has turned into... there's more than enough prog to go around, and just because you like a certain kind of music doesn't mean that they have to provide it. It's a trance event, this is trance addict, if you don't like it, don't go!!

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Originally posted by DigiNut PUH-LEEEEEZE... You don't see me asking for a jungle room, or Jeff asking for a techno room, do you? to that "part of the community" comment... as IF that would be the reason why TA is "falling apart" (which it isn't, I can't understand that comment either). What a ridiculous discussion this has turned into... there's more than enough prog to go around, and just because you like a certain kind of music doesn't mean that they have to provide it. It's a trance event, this is trance addict, if you don't like it, don't go!!

Allow me to second all that.

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Originally posted by trancearmada dude honestly, I've been told by someone (not you) on this board that apparently my opinion is not more valid that yours even though I've been a part of this community longer than you have.

How would either of your opinions be "more valid" than the other's?
I don't believe that solely by having been a member of TOTA/TA for a few years, you've automatically got the upper hand on all newer members.

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Originally posted by trancearmada hmm... well let me think... part of community longer... longer exposure to genere... more indepth exposure to electronic music... born in Europe... an even longer exposure to electronic music.... yeah me wonders too!

lol... For goodness sake. That was not an attempt at shooting you down, m'dear. You seem to have taken it far more personally than needed.

There's a lack of reading in between the lines here. And, Art, I was not talking about you in specific. I don't know you. I don't know your lack or excess of knowledge of music, etc.
You as used in my former reply, did not = trancearmada. I'm talking about TA members in general.

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Originally posted by trancearmada u don't know me yet you call me "my dear" lol, it's all good, whatever

I don't reserve all terms of endearment solely for long-time friends.

Anyway, I hope you got what I meant from my last post. And yes, you're right when you say "it's all good".

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Originally posted by trancearmada I have been told that my opinion is not more valid that yours even though I've been a part of this community longer than you have.

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Originally posted by trancearmada So what I am going to say is that yes TA has fallen appart and come together as a completely new comodity more than a few times, people come and go, some people just move on...

I hate to get involved, but this caught my attention.

How can you expect a community to stay together when people display heirarchial, superior attitudes like yours, quoted above?

You've got to be kidding that you think your opinion is more valid than anyone else's here just because you've been a member of a MESSAGE BOARD longer than others. Do you not realize how ridiculous that sounds?

lmao... Let's see if he gets it the second time around.

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Originally posted by AmbiguousBliss lmao... Let's see if he gets it the second time around.

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Originally posted by mecha p.s. remember that turbulence event when we asked for TA logo permissions?

What happened with that? (I wasn't around at the time.)

Guys stay in topic,

support those who support you, otherwise don't expect to be supported in anyway period.

I'm comming out for this!!! even though I dislike the venue

It's gonna be one night !!!

as for trance dj's playing predictable sets ... I strongly disagree ... atleast with TA trance djs

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Originally posted by mecha you do not know the whole story behind it, so why do not you just CHILL.......

Why don't you just enlighten me, then.

(I'm serious. Because right now i just can't understand how anyone can logically think that their opinion overrides that of others for such a ridiculous reason.)

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Originally posted by trancearmada I had no clue u liked jungle, or Jeff even remotely liking techno. And if you do that why don't you ask people like Itikia and John to bring DJ's that you like...

k wait, please don't say things like this for the sake of argument... I ramble on about jungle endlessly half the time including more than a few reviews and recently asking who's going to Theory, and you can't honestly say that you had no clue that someone with the name "TECHno Addict" was into Techno...

And if you just haven't been paying attention, that's not an excuse. Maybe we haven't been "paying attention" to the prog whores. We don't ask Ari and John to bring "DJs that we like" because we love the DJs that they already bring... so if they miss out on a few non-trance DJs, what's the big deal? They are primarily trance promoters! Those other DJs will come eventually, or I can just travel to see them.

My point is just that you're asking way too much... I really hate to say "DIY", I mean that term irritates the crap out of me, but seriously, DIY if you don't like it Art. People have obviously gone to great lengths to put these kinds of events together, and you haven't helped them organize or promote, so who are you to complain about the type of music they're putting on? Oh, right, is it because of...

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Originally posted by trancearmada hmm... well let me think... part of community longer... longer exposure to genere... more indepth exposure to electronic music... born and lived in Europe 15 1/2 years... an even longer exposure to electronic music....

...that?

Pure BS... just because I've only been a member for 9 months, doesn't mean I haven't been listening to (and making) electronic music for over 7 years... I know it doesn't compare to your 15� and I'm sorry for that, but gimme a break here. As Sarah pointed out, absolutely NONE of this gives your opinion (nor mine) any more validity than the next guy. This is the event, if you don't like it, don't go or better yet, put together your own!

Jeebus, AS IF we don't have enough prog... the TA Invasions have been half prog, and you guys even have Deep Dish on the same day we have "predictable" Paul Van Dyk. And this is based on the false assertation that prog is a real genre...

P.S. I'm sorry Eso, I've tried lately to ignore these things, but this thread was just no place for this 'prog vs. trance' discussion.

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Originally posted by trancearmada But come on Chris, we all know that the only thing that will be played is pure uplifting trance. That's not necessarily a bad thing. What I am saying is there are and were a lot of TOTA's that have expanded into other geners and not somehow accomodating the rest of us does not make us feel a part of community. And not mention when people bash prog or vice versa on this board, this fucks things up between all of us even more.

Nope, sorry. They will play everything, like I said Ivals will most likely drop some kind of house. And even if they don't, big deal, like someone else said there are other prog parties and events that you/we can all go to to listen to prog and get the chance to play out as well, if not at that one so I see no reason to blame that part of things on the falling out of TA.

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dude honestly, I've been told by someone (not you) on this board that apparently my opinion is not more valid that yours even though I've been a part of this community longer than you have.

That is COMPLETELY true. For example say that even if you have been spinning for 15 years, someone who has more talent and drive than you have and has been in the business and has spun for only a short while may be entirely better than you...it all depends on perspective. But in terms of a message board on the internet, EVERYONE's opinion is just as equal as another's...and sometimes this can also be true of real life. However there are instances where the example I listed above also occurs. It can be both of those or a variety of different scenarios.

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I agree to a certain extent that there is a lot of prog being palyed in the city, but that does not necessarily mean that other up and coming DJ's like myself or Mecha get a chance to play out or anyone else that spins something different other than a super predictable set from Armin or Ferry or Tiesto. And I am not even talking about progg, I am talking about other smaller geners that don't get as much exposure and that is all lumped up in the eyes of most trance lovers into prog, there are so many different directions and sounds that it's impossible to describe it all as prog.

What does this have to do with your statement that TA is falling apart due to prog? (which I dont' think it is at ALL as we all hang out together and there have been prog djs that have spun at events held in the past as well...eg any ta invasion at System)

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And you are absolutely right, if I don't like the lineup, I won't go, but this is not what my discussion was about in the first place. What I was trying to get across was that there is much more talent and to TOTA members thatn just trance/trancenights.

We all know that there is more talent, and so do the promotor's as they have seen all the prog djs at venues of the previous parties I mentioned. (see above) So why the need to constantly talk about it? Promoter's for this party are not blind, they just pick who they want in terms of music and who they feel fit what they want to do. I doubt they are excluding a certain genre of music and even if they do, like I said earlier, big deal.

Cant we all just get along??

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Originally posted by FuZioN Cant we all just get along??

Of course not!

I get along with most people fine. Even Armada, no probs at all. Just disagreements that's all.

Ya... honestly I get along with Armada and Mecha just fine off the 'net, these aren't hate posts or anything. But just getting along with someone doesn't mean you agree with everything they do/say/post, and sometimes you have to speak up, IMO.

I just didn't think the prog comments were appropriate for this thread; I would definitely not have been so harsh if it had been carried on in its own thread (and perhaps with a little more humility). It's a valid discussion, it just doesn't belong here. It's the type of thing that's best discussed privately with the organizers and promoters.

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