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"YAAAAAY....lets take MORE land that isnt ours!"- Israel

This is making me sick, along with the proposed fence that will cut even deeper into the west bank. Greedy Filthy Zionists!!!!

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Israel to expand settlement The Palestinians have launched an appeal over the fence Israel has launched a tender for the construction of 550 new homes in Jewish settlements in the West Bank. Almost all the houses will be built in the ultra-Orthodox settlement of Beitar Elit, near Jerusalem. The announcement comes a day after the government agreed plans to build protective fences around several West Bank settlements. About 220,000 Israelis live in the West Bank, in settlements widely regarded as illegal under international law. The Israeli housing ministry says this decision is part of its policy to create more housing across the whole of Israel, not just the occupied territories. Click here for map of West Bank settlements It was, according to a spokesman, intended "to develop the communities in accordance with their needs and natural growth". Despite international laws banning settlement in occupied areas, Jewish settlement building has expanded continually since Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza in 1967, increasing rapidly in the late 1970s when the current Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, was housing minister. The pressure group Peace Now said the latest decision showed the housing ministry was acting as "a master planner for the settlers". Housing Minister Effi Eitam is a member of the far-right National Religious Party, which has close links with the settlers. Fence appeal The Palestinian Authority has appealed to the nations that backed the now-stalled roadmap peace plan to stop any extension of the fence through the West Bank, because it will cut off Palestinian villages and towns from other Palestinian areas. The main backer of that peace plan, the United States, had expressed concern, so for now Israel is not going to join up the new section with the old. But the BBC's Jannat Jalil - reporting from Jerusalem - says many Palestinians are worried that Israel will delay the move until US President George W Bush is distracted by his re-election campaign.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3158036.stm

Instead of always bitching about it, why don't you try to be part of the solution?

To be honest even if the fence were to steal land from the Palestinians I would be for it - it would show them that unless they stop terrorism and come to the negotiation table they are on the losing side! ... something I still don't think they comprehend.

- I think that whatever Israel does will lead to something negative, and whatever palestine does will leave to something negative. IM neutral on all this, but I totally dont agree with Israel taking their lands like that... I really see the excuse of security for land-grabbing. But, what can you do.. terrorist attacks and such.. but like I said, Im neutral on this, Im on neither side ( although I tend to understand the palestinians hatred ).

I can understand both sides positions, but with all of the constant finger pointing and relentless posting of things like "Look what they're doing now!" only fuels more animocity, giving each side another reason to continue the violence.

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Originally posted by Shakka I can understand both sides positions, but with all of the constant finger pointing and relentless posting of things like "Look what they're doing now!" only fuels more animocity, giving each side another reason to continue the violence.

Exactly, which is the same reason why I'm slowly ceasing to give a sh$t anymore. If neither side wishes to see peace, and if neither side only knows and wants more violence, why should I hope for peace amongst them all? If anger fuels their emotions and actions, what hope is there really for that region?

Blow the f$ck out of yourselves for all I care. Until either side truly wants peace and is committed to the actions that are required to make peace, all you'll receive is more anger, destruction, and death. I'm personally sick of it all, and will stop giving a sh$t from here on out.

Seriously, what the f$ck does it take for 2 people with different religious beliefs to get along?

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Exactly, which is the same reason why I'm slowly ceasing to give a sh$t anymore. If neither side wishes to see peace, and if neither side only knows and wants more violence, why should I hope for peace amongst them all? If anger fuels their emotions and actions, what hope is there really for that region? Blow the f$ck out of yourselves for all I care. Until either side truly wants peace and is committed to the actions that are required to make peace, all you'll receive is more anger, destruction, and death. I'm personally sick of it all, and will stop giving a sh$t from here on out. Seriously, what the f$ck does it take for 2 people with different religious beliefs to get along?

42?

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Originally posted by occrider 42?

Very funny.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Very funny.

Hehe sorry ... currently re-reading the entire series.

yawn.

The idea is on of defense, as a reaction to neverending terrorism.
So okay, Israel first bombarded Palestinian cities, then invaded them, then bloacked the border between Israel and the territories, then came the targeted killings. Allthose methods were condemned without offering any realistic alternative. So now they try to solve it with a fence that won't harm anybody...but here we go again.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant yawn. The idea is on of defense, as a reaction to neverending terrorism. So okay, Israel first bombarded Palestinian cities, then invaded them, then bloacked the border between Israel and the territories, then came the targeted killings. Allthose methods were condemned without offering any realistic alternative. So now they try to solve it with a fence that won't harm anybody...but here we go again.

I think the fence would be a good idea ... if it were built on Israel proper. I don't like the idea of a fence snaking through the west bank to protect settlers who really shouldn't be there to begin with.

I am against this fence, but in looking at it from the perspective of an Israeli, if the Palestinian government will not sit down and hammer out serious issues over the creation of a Palestinian state and the security of Israelis, then what else can be done to prevent the loss of Israeli lives(sure ending the occupation) but that still doesn't address security for Israelis going about their daily lives on buses, in cafes, etc. Its easy to be critical of the fence but remember there are two sides to every story and this is oh so true in this neverending conflict. I agree with the above point about the settlers, problem is these people are religous zealots, who won't go anywhere no matter how many suicide bombings.

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Originally posted by occrider I think the fence would be a good idea ... if it were built on Israel proper. I don't like the idea of a fence snaking through the west bank to protect settlers who really shouldn't be there to begin with.

Unfortunately I think the Israeli government won't actually steal land (I think "stealing" land is a good political strategy, as I mentioend earlier because it forces the Palestians to act for peace.. otherwise peace will take up to 50+ years). The Israelis at most will claim perhaps 5% of the disputed territories with this wall, you had to understand most "settlers" are people on or near the greenwall, of suburbs that have expanded from quiet large cities, such as Jerusalem.

I'll agree though whatever they are doing with Qalqilyah looks like a real mess, and I hope its going to be the only one of its kind due to the fence.

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Originally posted by occrider I think the fence would be a good idea ... if it were built on Israel proper. I don't like the idea of a fence snaking through the west bank to protect settlers who really shouldn't be there to begin with.

the fance will not go around all settelments,just the old and important ones and thats why bush has taken his cutting israeli money statement beck.

And BTW: does anone here knows about the ARAB settelments in israel as well??!

Well, I think a fence in general is not such a bad idea, but in practice it is not quite so. I don't know if this is what Yoepus reffered to, but I've seen a news report where some kids had to go through the fence to get to school, or where one part of a town was on one side of the fence, while the ohter part was on the other side.

Kind of like living on the "wrong side of the tracks"...

cyrus king i realy dont understand you!!
Israel is building the fence in order to take more terretory??
c'mon its realy bullshit , the only goal here is stopping the unending terror that comes from the west bank.
like no\almost no terrorist come from gaza strip which is sorrounded by fence, israel wants to have the same protection also form the west bank.

it costs tons of money, the great part of settelments stay out of the fence, israel just trying to do its best and be fair! Ariel is the biggest settelment and it is very close to the "green line" so israel decided to include it. we should remember, the fence is for protecting lives of citizens, it will not always be built like the PA wants it too, cause the PA even makes no effort in stopping the terror now.
and not only lives will be saved, also less terror, means both sided get closer to the negotiating table

and you say some palestinian kids will have problem going to their school........ c'mon poeple, so this little number of kids, will move a school , not a big deal when the issue here is life and death above all...

so ok the fence is not exactly the 67's line, but it comes as an answer to terror, not as a present to the PA.

you people are asking simply tooo much of Israel.

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Originally posted by Flotser cyrus king i realy dont understand you!! Israel is building the fence in order to take more terretory?? c'mon its realy bullshit , the only goal here is stopping the unending terror that comes from the west bank. like no\almost no terrorist come from gaza strip which is sorrounded by fence, israel wants to have the same protection also form the west bank. it costs tons of money, the great part of settelments stay out of the fence, israel just trying to do its best and be fair! Ariel is the biggest settelment and it is very close to the "green line" so israel decided to include it. we should remember, the fence is for protecting lives of citizens, it will not always be built like the PA wants it too, cause the PA even makes no effort in stopping the terror now. and not only lives will be saved, also less terror, means both sided get closer to the negotiating table and you say some palestinian kids will have problem going to their school........ c'mon poeple, so this little number of kids, will move a school , not a big deal when the issue here is life and death above all... so ok the fence is not exactly the 67's line, but it comes as an answer to terror, not as a present to the PA. you people are asking simply tooo much of Israel.

If you look closely you can see that Israel is doing more than just taking a little land... they are taking ALOT. I once saw a documentary about this fence which by the way was made by an Israeli, and they estimated that 11-23% of the west bank land which belongs to palestinians, is going to be taken becuase of a few families that seem to want to come behind the Israeli side.

One of my friends' families olive tree orchard was uprooted and the trees stolen so that the fence could be made. Not only are they stealing land, they are also stealing trees that took decades of effort to maintain and grow. Some of these families rely on the olives from those very trees to subsist. But Israel doesnt care, as long as their is a house miles away, they would rather destroy for this stupid family to be behind the security fence while dozens of other palestinian families are left with an orchard that feeds their families.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King If you look closely you can see that Israel is doing more than just taking a little land... they are taking ALOT. I once saw a documentary about this fence which by the way was made by an Israeli, and they estimated that 11-23% of the west bank land which belongs to palestinians, is going to be taken becuase of a few families that seem to want to come behind the Israeli side. One of my friends' families olive tree orchard was uprooted and the trees stolen so that the fence could be made. Not only are they stealing land, they are also stealing trees that took decades of effort to maintain and grow. Some of these families rely on the olives from those very trees to subsist. But Israel doesnt care, as long as their is a house miles away, they would rather destroy for this stupid family to be behind the security fence while dozens of other palestinian families are left with an orchard that feeds their families.

first of all it doesnt look ALOT to me from that scehma,
secondly,
so we build that fence to defend ourselves from the enemy, so now we should also sacrifice only our terretory, leaving the enemy 100% satisfied? The israeli goverment is responsible towords its citizins , and its a democracy lets not forget. The Israeli citizens suffer alot from the terror, and economic situation that comes with it, and now you also offer israel to sacrifice its own viliiges only in order to be fare?.....

and c'mon, you know that the real problem is not the way israel is acting, but the way the world likes to critisize almost every independent move it makes\considers (if you compare it to the critizism over Russia, USA).

it apears like the world feels, that israeli already signed an agreement promising to evacuate all seetelmnts, and already agreed for a palestinian state exatly on the 67's line.....but hey, that agreement was sabotaged by Arafat with the opening of prison door letting tons of HAMAS leaders\members to go free and with the flaming of the "Intifada"

this fence is a solution to fight suicide terrorism that maybe takes some land, but takes no life!
stop the bullshit about the olive trees, we talking here about popele blown inside a bus!!!

Re: "YAAAAAY....lets take MORE land that isnt ours!"- Israel

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Originally posted by Cyrus King This is making me sick, along with the proposed fence that will cut even deeper into the west bank. Greedy Filthy Zionists!!!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3158036.stm

ya ok, terrorists and cyrus QUEEN: "please dont build a fence...please...then we wont be able to bomb you as much"

hahahahahaha I'm so happy that you're unhappy.....

hahahahahahahahaha I'm so happy that almost everyone disagrees with you

hahahahahahahahaha this thread made me so happy....thank you

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Originally posted by Flotser stop the bullshit about the olive trees, we talking here about popele blown inside a bus!!!

are u kidding? he doesn't care about human life...in the other thread hes defending the shooting of a 2 month old. dont take anything he says seriously, his solution is the inihilation of the Israeli state.

we should check the time of the map cuz the fance planning has changed in the last week

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Originally posted by 'mju:zik are u kidding? he doesn't care about human life...in the other thread hes defending the shooting of a 2 month old. dont take anything he says seriously, his solution is the inihilation of the Israeli state.

on the other hand,it makes me happy to know that this is all the palastinian propeganda can offer..

Well, if that map is correct, I must agree with Cyrus King on this one. It's not like it was that much harder to build the fence on the border itself, rather than have it protruding into palestinian land.

Drug Tito
the way that the map is shown in Cyrus's picture makes it seem like its a high precentage

this map more clearly shows that we're not taking about a big mojority of the west bank

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