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Is this a good start?

These are my equipment plans for my studio:

Purchase #1: (December/January)
iMac G4 Powerbook

Purchase #2: (Spring/Summer '04)
Emagic's Logic Platinum 6.0
Access Virus KC
Emu PX-7 Drum Command Station w/ Beat Garden Rom

Puchase #3:
Korg MicroKontrol
Emu X Lead 1 ROM
Akai MPC2000XL
Novation Supernova II -or- Roland JP-8080 Rack

How does that sound?

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Originally posted by Vlad How does that sound?

better than my warez

Re: Is this a good start?

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Originally posted by Vlad These are my equipment plans for my studio: Purchase #1: (December/January) iMac G4 Powerbook Purchase #2: (Spring/Summer '04) Emagic's Logic Platinum 6.0 Access Virus KC Emu PX-7 Drum Command Station w/ Beat Garden Rom Puchase #3: Korg MicroKontrol Emu X Lead 1 ROM Akai MPC2000XL Novation Supernova II -or- Roland JP-8080 Rack How does that sound?

sounds good but I think you should get as meny VST's as you can and not buy synthisizer and such

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Originally posted by MoSH_MaN sounds good but I think you should get as meny VST's as you can and not bye synthisizer and such

rofl
Hardware synths don't crash if you are playing live. I don't mind they are much more expensive. You have loads of buttons awaiting to be tweaked Think you'll learn more with 1 hw synth than having like 100 warez softsynths

today's vst can do the same as the hardware so don't rofl me

My friend got one and another friend of mine regerts buying a roland one

Virus and logic 6 with a mac is allll u need !!
And a good sample cd
I myself have a virus c with cubase sx.. but one day i wana get a mac with logic.. thats the best it can get !!

Some things I can do on computer (like making beats and things associated with that), but synths and stuff that needs to be tweaked and especially made like a nice melody - I have to do by hand.

Ok you guys see all the stuff Im probably gonna get up top, what would be a good sound card for my PC(Windows) and iMac laptop? Also what would be some good MIDI interfaces? I was looking at the Emagic Unitor8 -or- AMT8 since Im gonna be using Logic I figure they would work well together.

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Originally posted by MoSH_MaN today's vst can do the same as the hardware so don't rofl me

you wish ;p

compare a softsynth with a nord modular g2 (leads in midway-amazon)

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Originally posted by Sirocco you wish ;p compare a softsynth with a nord modular g2 (leads in midway-amazon)

I think there is an aura of psychoacoustics that come with hardwear synthesizers.

What differenciates digital hardwear synths from softsynths? They don't use electrical impulses, they don't use vacuum tubes, they are purely digital.

does the Access Virus TDM plugin not sound like a hardwear virus?
Virus TDM Plugin Demo

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Originally posted by DJ Chrono I think there is an aura of psychoacoustics that come with hardwear synthesizers. What differenciates digital hardwear synths from softsynths? They don't use electrical impulses, they don't use vacuum tubes, they are purely digital. does the Access Virus TDM plugin not sound like a hardwear virus? Virus TDM Plugin Demo

tdms dont count ;p

they run off there own hardware resources (ala protools) allowing them to have a godlike amount of poly voices compared to dxi/vst

I find tweaking buttons hell a lot more fun than staring a screen for some hours. Also, Dj Chrono, if you're planning to go live some day. What are you going to do? Ever realised you can do things a LOT faster with buttons than with a mouse. A hardware synth is designed for its purpose.. a pc isnt so it doesn't crash as much and the timing is better. Hardware synths are more expensive.. well a decent music pc will cost you a lot of money + you don't throw away your h/w synth after 3 years + when nobody sees it I give my synths a hug because I have fallen in love with them. Try to do that with software. Just my opinion.. tell me what you think about it. I know hardware vs software is and endless discussion but I know I'll allways be a buttonfreak .

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Originally posted by Vlad Ok you guys see all the stuff Im probably gonna get up top, what would be a good sound card for my PC(Windows) and iMac laptop? Also what would be some good MIDI interfaces? I was looking at the Emagic Unitor8 -or- AMT8 since Im gonna be using Logic I figure they would work well together.

I use pc for sequencing and I use logic combined with amt 8. Plug it in, install software and work like a pro. It's a winning combination. (if u only need midi, go for amt8 if you need to synchronisation with video go for unitor mk2). When you need tot gig it and you use a hardware sequencer you can use it's patch mode.
Sound cards really depends on what you want how much and which i/o's do you need and what is your budget?

poly voices? well I dont use vst or dxi softsynths, but I was under the impression that the polyphony for any given softsynth was dependant on the computer hardwear.

In reason I can play every note on an 8 octave scale at once. 99 voice polyphony on a subtracktor without any kind of problem. my supernova pro (with expanded polyphony) can only run 44 voices.

Synths like the Korg MS2000 have what, 4 voice poly?

And besides, polyphony has no real effect on the quality of sounds. It might let you do some unison, or layer afew notes, but I would hardly consider the voice count as a major factor of what makes a synth sound good.

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Also, Dj Chrono, if you're planning to go live some day. What are you going to do?

This is true. Hardware synths are good for live preformances because they run on a stable OS. They also give you alot of control over your sounds. I personally wouldn't do live preformances with synths though, that's just not something I would really consider.

I'm not saying that hardware is bad! Hardsynths can make some awesome sounds, and it is definately fun tweaking knobs, Im just saying that the quality of their sounds are not very different than the quality of softsynths.

And for those of you who like tweaking knobs, there are usb devices to hook into computers just for this purpose. Just take a look at the Phatboy, and even the oxygen 8.

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Originally posted by m0sh sounds good but I think you should get as meny VST's as you can and not buy synthisizer and such

I'd love to see you try to tweak more than 1 knob at the same time in VSTi..... unless you have some kbd shortcut.

Hardware is still #1 choice.

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Originally posted by Vlad Ok you guys see all the stuff Im probably gonna get up top, what would be a good sound card for my PC(Windows) and iMac laptop? Also what would be some good MIDI interfaces? I was looking at the Emagic Unitor8 -or- AMT8 since Im gonna be using Logic I figure they would work well together.

I went with Edirol UM-880 simply because of 1) stand-alone functionality as well as USB 2)8x8 3)easy to edit MIDI patching on the fly (without starting program to configure it) 4)Price. BTW, I have a friend who's a professional musician and he has MOTU. He used my Ediroll and said that he's selling his MOTU and is getting 2 Edirols instead.

Just a thought.
BTW, Logic is great but keep in mind the cost factor.

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Originally posted by DJ Chrono poly voices? well I dont use vst or dxi softsynths, but I was under the impression that the polyphony for any given softsynth was dependant on the computer hardwear. In reason I can play every note on an 8 octave scale at once. 99 voice polyphony on a subtracktor without any kind of problem. my supernova pro (with expanded polyphony) can only run 44 voices. Synths like the Korg MS2000 have what, 4 voice poly? And besides, polyphony has no real effect on the quality of sounds. It might let you do some unison, or layer afew notes, but I would hardly consider the voice count as a major factor of what makes a synth sound good. This is true. Hardware synths are good for live preformances because they run on a stable OS. They also give you alot of control over your sounds. I personally wouldn't do live preformances with synths though, that's just not something I would really consider. I'm not saying that hardware is bad! Hardsynths can make some awesome sounds, and it is definately fun tweaking knobs, Im just saying that the quality of their sounds are not very different than the quality of softsynths. And for those of you who like tweaking knobs, there are usb devices to hook into computers just for this purpose. Just take a look at the Phatboy, and even the oxygen 8.

Good points, however, poly makes little difference. you could have 128 voices and still have crappy sound. Jupiter 8 had 8 voice poly - the phatness cannot be immitated even today with all the voices in the world. Furthermore, USB interfaces suck ballz. first, it would take you ages to configure them. Each VSTI has to be tweaked individually. What if you want to control more than one? How about when I am twisting knobs on both, AV and SN at the same time? Sorry mate, I don't agree with you. VSTi are cool and have their niche yet hardware is long from being dead. it's like saying that books are now dead because you can get PDF versions or e-books. Pleezzz... feeling the movement of a slider as you push it and using a mouse to adjust the value are just night and day.

USB won't fix it either. And if there's anything more unstable than USB-controlled VSTi's I'd like to find it. Especially if you're squeezing heavy MIDI traffic and trying to record and tweak at the same time.

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Originally posted by CynepMeH Good points, however, poly makes little difference. you could have 128 voices and still have crappy sound.

I know, that's what I was trying to explain to sirocco.

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Furthermore, USB interfaces suck ballz. first, it would take you ages to configure them. Each VSTI has to be tweaked individually. What if you want to control more than one? How about when I am twisting knobs on both, AV and SN at the same time? Sorry mate, I don't agree with you.

I realise that doing live preformances with VST's and a usb interface would not be a good idea, but I suggested it for studio use. If you want to tweak two at the same time, automate or record one tweaking, and then do the next and record it. You don't have to spend "ages" configuring them either. I would definately go for a nice Steinberg Houston.

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VSTi are cool and have their niche yet hardware is long from being dead. it's like saying that books are now dead because you can get PDF versions or e-books. Pleezzz... feeling the movement of a slider as you push it and using a mouse to adjust the value are just night and day.

take it easy you're jumping to conclusions from what I've said. I never said hardware is dead, it's good, I like it, alot of people still swear by it, but it's just not so much superior to softwear anymore.

Some people like the tactile experience of pushing sliders and knobs, some people can live without it. I don't really care eitherway, as long as I get the sounds that I want. Hardwear also has the downfall of carrying a rather expensive pricetag.

dont go with the steinberg houston.

houston, we have a problem...

1/2 the buttons onm the houston dont work and they been promising updates and havent done so..

get the mackie control universal.

http://www.keyfax.com/keyfax/phatboy/phatboy1.html

$250 is not cheap to be able to turn some knobs, but it's an interesting product despite this....

Man I thought this was a dead thread.

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