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...and the #1 reason not to vote for arnold

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=283&row=0

this just tops it off. the whole womanizing and no idea on how to fix the budget besides cutting taxes for business even more is enough for me not to vote for him.

Arrrrrgh I wish I could vote in this election. And honestly, it amazes me that so many who could, don't and won't.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence Arrrrrgh I wish I could vote in this election. And honestly, it amazes me that so many who could, don't and won't.

Welcome to politic land stalker

And occrider will be your best pal with that comment.

He feels the same way.

MrS

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence Arrrrrgh I wish I could vote in this election. And honestly, it amazes me that so many who could, don't and won't.

I also feel the same way about people not voting. Why can't you if you live in Palo Alto? Beautiful town that is.

Although I have no direct comment on this story itself, nor an opinion on the who's and why's of the California Election since I'm not from that screwed up state (and yes my state is screwed up just as much in a different way), did you guys happen to file through all this guys writings/opinions? True or not, they are all very one sided, in cases "extremely" negative and more seemingly opinionated vs. founded on coroberated evidence. It's even sarcastic sounding in a lot of cases. Although he seems to try and make it look more factual than opinionated, some of his sources are quite vauge ("I just got theses 10 pages from a friend over the fax machine", must be true then). Look, Even I agree with some of his articles...if it fits in line with what I already believe, or found other similar articles about such topics.


It's just seems quite typical of people round these parts to think that writings like these are the words of God himself and run with them as it is the Truths above all Truths. I find it funny how people are so EASILY pursuaded to believe what a news reporter writes....ESPECIALLY if it is in line with their already current beliefs. I am a fault of this as well sometimes.

Next, I'm going to hear that any voter that touched a girl when they were in grade school and got coodies 20-30 years ago will be unable to vote in the upcoming election and that criminal attourneys are going to go after you and make you make up the time in Juvie hall that you missed back in 1983. It's getting to be quite a circus for the people outside of CA to watch this go down...it's really quite entertaining.

I'll wait to see if anything shakes out of this (i.e. a response/more stories/facts) before I judge this...just like other articles.

Good luck

PhloTron I agree that it is odd that he got those documents faxed, but this meeting did take place. Arnold, and Riordan have not deny nor discussed what the meeting was about. enron did rip us off, and we are trying to get our money back. bush's administration did nothing to help us, and chaney laughed at us for even thinking we could conserve energy. so Palast write up may be coincidence or it may just be the truth.

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Originally posted by PhloTron Next, I'm going to hear that any voter that touched a girl when they were in grade school and got coodies 20-30 years ago will be unable to vote in the upcoming election and that criminal attourneys are going to go after you and make you make up the time in Juvie hall that you missed back in 1983. It's getting to be quite a circus for the people outside of CA to watch this go down...it's really quite entertaining.

Well the thing with arnold is that he is running for governor. his womanizing isnt only 30 years back, but as late as of 2000. More are coming forward including a local radio host who did an interview with him in the late 70s when she was in her 20s

also heres another story about arnold/enron http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/uti...r/pr003708.php3

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence Arrrrrgh I wish I could vote in this election. And honestly, it amazes me that so many who could, don't and won't.

OMG, you actually wish that you lived in that circus!?!

hmm... if greg palasts sources are true, then were fucked.

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It's not what Arnold Schwarzenegger did to the girls a decade back that should raise an eyebrow._ According to a series of memoranda our office obtained today, it's his dalliance with the boys in a hotel room just two years ago that's the real scandal.

maybe its just me, but this paragraph made me think that this story was going to lead into another old man raping little boys incedent. thankfully, it didnt.

- Sorry to you californians, but if people dont go out and vote.. and Arnold gets elected, then, I hope all those that didnt go and vote suffer for that.. and learned a big time lesson.. I whish aronld wins so he could burn hismelf more then Bush now.. Im sorry for those that are against him in California, but you seem to be the few that are willing to go out and vote. Like 5% of people were for Hullignton, but my fear is that since they were all under the 30 yrs range, they wont even bother going out and vote since she's not running.. but eitherway, sucks..

Still, I think a little economical chaos is a fair price to pay for a buff governer with a strong austrian accent. Not to mention how great his movies are and how many women he had laid. I'd vote for him any day!

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel Welcome to politic land stalker

lol...don't forget if you want to think of me as your stalker, you must post lyrics...more and more lyrics!

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Originally posted by St_Andrew OMG, you actually wish that you lived in that circus!?!

I am in California now, going to school.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Why can't you (vote) if you live in Palo Alto?

I am not American and not old enough.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence I am in California now, going to school.

Ohhh poor you, come back to scandinavia (okay, i admit it, i'm also planning to go to US next year to study... guess it's great fun over there )

people should leave the past alone

It really makes no difference what "shit" he did in the past, it wont make a difference in my mind.

If he decided to do some wierd shit during his election campaign thats a difference story.

No one is perfect, thats why we learn from our mistakes. In his case, i bet he didnt think of being a politician at the time and just wanted to have the time of his life.

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Originally posted by Dmatrox people should leave the past alone It really makes no difference what "shit" he did in the past, it wont make a difference in my mind. If he decided to do some wierd shit during his election campaign thats a difference story. No one is perfect, thats why we learn from our mistakes. In his case, i bet he didnt think of being a politician at the time and just wanted to have the time of his life.

what? so if hitler was still alive it would be okay to relect him into power again and just forget about his past?

anyway arnolds womanizing is just not from the 70s but as current as 2000. this whole enron/key lay stuff is from 2001 and still going on (we're trying to get our money back)

also, hello Echo of Silence. where you going to school? stanford?

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Ohhh poor you, come back to scandinavia (okay, i admit it, i'm also planning to go to US next year to study... guess it's great fun over there )

Where will you study next year?

I have fun. But I have to study a lot to keep up with the others. During the summer, everywhere that I visited was very hot. The soles of my hiking boots melted in Arizona. Only here (Palo Alto), the weather is nice; a little like home possibly because of the coastal breezes.

(didn't mean to get off topic. Swartzenegger is leading the polls so I think he will be the governor. Personally, I do not think this is a good thing.)

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Originally posted by Dmatrox people should leave the past alone It really makes no difference what "shit" he did in the past, it wont make a difference in my mind. If he decided to do some wierd shit during his election campaign thats a difference story. No one is perfect, thats why we learn from our mistakes. In his case, i bet he didnt think of being a politician at the time and just wanted to have the time of his life.

if im not mistaken, arnold went into politics in the early 90's, this deal was in 2001. its not too far back, and if these allegations are true, then the public should know about it.

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Originally posted by rizen what? so if hitler was still alive it would be okay to relect him into power again and just forget about his past? anyway arnolds womanizing is just not from the 70s but as current as 2000. this whole enron/key lay stuff is from 2001 and still going on (we're trying to get our money back) also, hello Echo of Silence. where you going to school? stanford?

hi Rizen, I missed your post the first time. Yes, Stanford. Where are you?

The womanizing/sexual harassment stories start in the 70s but span the decades, as you point out. Some are relatively recent. I find them believable. One argument is why didn't the women report the incidents when they occurred? When a person in power (one who writes paychecks or one with the ability to make or break careers) behaves inappropriately, it is not typically reported.

The state's problems were not created by Davis yet many people blame them on Davis just because he is the governor when the problems erupted. Tomorrow is the big day. I hope it is interesting!

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence The state's problems were not created by Davis yet many people blame them on Davis just because he is the governor when the problems erupted. Tomorrow is the big day. I hope it is interesting!

It will be interesting. And I doubt anyone can predict what will happen.

Without California the rest of the country would have little to entertain themselves with

MrS

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Originally posted by rizen Well the thing with arnold is that he is running for governor. his womanizing isnt only 30 years back, but as late as of 2000. More are coming forward including a local radio host who did an interview with him in the late 70s when she was in her 20s

So let me get this straight:

It's ok for Clinton to womanize, but not Arnold?

Don't give me any BS about Arnold's sexual advances not being consensual, because you can say the same for Clinton.

I wouldn't vote for Arnold, but I was looking at Davis' voting record the other day. No way would I vote for him either.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence The state's problems were not created by Davis yet many people blame them on Davis just because he is the governor when the problems erupted. Tomorrow is the big day. I hope it is interesting!

Well if you ask me, that is partly true. Davis has been remarkably incompetant and indecisive when confronted with each crises as they arise. In addition to his apparent willingness to favor special interest groups, he failed to come to grips with handling the energy crisis and has singularly failed to control the legislature. Compared with his predecesor Pete Wilson, who faced a similar budgetary crisis, at least Wilson had the necessary skills and forcefullness to push through higher taxes and lower spending in his budget. Davis is simply too timid and not proactive enough to handle California's problems as they've developed.

But at the same time, I think a large part of California's problems stem from the people itself. One of the biggest problems I see with direct democracy is that most people are too stupid to realize the consequences of their actions. Allowing direct democracy when it's about regulations and laws is one thing ... allowing Californians to set the taxes and control the budget seems like sheer idiocy to me. What I'm talking about is proposition 13 which limited the state's ability to set property taxes and forced local governments to become more dependant on the state government. This was fine and dandy during the boom years when the state government was rich, but when the fiscal crunch hit, how was the state supposed to support local municipalities? The proposition was opposed by both state and local officials, warnings were issued, but it was still passed with 65% of the vote. Then you have proposition 98 which requires that a minimum of 40% of the general fund (representing four-fifths of the total state budget) be spent on primary and secondary schooling, then you have Proposition 42 dedicating the sales tax on gas to transport projects, you add all these initiatives together, and with what's left over around 70% of the general fund is off-limits to the politicians.

So although I think that Davis has been somewhat of an ineffective governor, I've said from the get go that replacing him is not going to solve most of California's problems because CALIFORNIA is most of California's problems. Despite the amusement of this whole election fiasco it's still depressing because CA is the world's fifth largest economy and a huge part of the US economy. Why couldn't this shit be happening to some place like south dakota???

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Originally posted by occrider Why couldn't this shit be happening to some place like south dakota???

We do have Inhoff there though....that in itself is entertainment too.

MrS

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel We do have Inhoff there though....that in itself is entertainment too. MrS

Who? See that's exactly my point! Nobody cares about S. Dakota ... they could elect hitler there and I probably woudln't give two shits.

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Originally posted by occrider Who? See that's exactly my point! Nobody cares about S. Dakota ... they could elect hitler there and I probably woudln't give two shits.

The congressman who ran over a dude and is on trial for manslaughter.

I figured you would know who I was talking about.....

sigh

MrS

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence hi Rizen, I missed your post the first time. Yes, Stanford. Where are you?

I live in downtown San Jose, right next to SJSU, but going to De Anza. Too poor to go to SJSU or anything at the moment

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz So let me get this straight: It's ok for Clinton to womanize, but not Arnold? Don't give me any BS about Arnold's sexual advances not being consensual, because you can say the same for Clinton.

when did clinton do something that wasnt consensual? i thought the only case that wasnt consensual was found to be not true and dropped. I'm sure if it was true, Starr would of been alot more happier

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz I wouldn't vote for Arnold, but I was looking at Davis' voting record the other day. No way would I vote for him either.

I'll agree but its a two party system. I would of voted for republican Peter Ueberroth, but he dropped out. I found him, Arianna huffington (she also dropped, my personal favorite), and Peter Camejo (which I'm voting for tomorrow) to be the best canidates. Tom McClintock would be a good choice too if he wasnt so far to the right.

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Originally posted by rizen Tom McClintock would be a good choice too if he wasnt so far to the right.

he really should get his eyes fixed, i cant take anything he says seriously without bursting into laughter.

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