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I DON'T regret buying turntables instead of CD-decks...after reading these opinions!
I so regret this. I mean look at it, every "new" song today is spun via cdr's. I have no cd-decks cause I spent all my money on the technics at the start, and now I can't scrounge up enough to buy a descent cd-deck. I see all these new sets in the amateur section, and listen to dj's on internet radio, and they're all spun on cd-decks; songs that haven't been released; songs that are d/l and played out. I feel like never making another recorded mix cause its already dated when I get the vinyl.
What does everyone make of this???
peace.
Steve
I strongly disagree with you
turntables > cd decks
if your going to download all your music your better off just mixing them on your computer
OK, not to pick on Arturo, but he's playing live on TranceAirwaves now and here is his tracklist up the point I posted this:
Paul van Dyk feat. Second Sun - Crush
02. Tiffany - Exedra
03. James Talk - Eggs Are Cute (Talk's Re-Percussion Mix - Cut)
04. Lili Hayden - Anything (Gabriel & Dresden's Code 313 Dub)
05. Paul van Dyk - Connected (Markus Schulz Remix)
06. Valentino - Flying (Sultan & Tonedepth Remix)
07. Paul van Dyk - That's Life
08. Matt Darey - Nocturnal Delight
09. Thomas Datt - 2v2 (Robert Nickson Remix)
10. Robert Nickson - Untitled (141)
11. Camouflage - Me & You (Humate Remix)
12. Locust - Valley Of Love
13. Outback - Minds in Motion (Original)
14. St. John vs. Locust - Mind Circles (Original)
15. Masters & Nickson feat. Justine Suissa - Out There (C-quence Remix)
16. Rob Aker - Spacediver
17. Jose Amnesia - The Eternal (Thomas Datt Remix)
All these with the exception of Outback - Minds In Motion, and Eggs Are Cute, and Out There are from a CD, cause none of them are released. So how can one compete with this when they don't have CD-decks.
Yes, you don't have to have all new songs, but whats the point of playing old songs where everyone says "this song is soooo overplayed"!??? The set is what you can make of it, regardless of aging songs, but I'm gonna skip the BS and say that newer sets are what people look for nowadays. Its what sets DJ's apart. Their track selection, not the same selection everyone who has vinyl plays.
It not the tracks, but what you do with them, that set a DJ apart.
Playing old songs are good, playing too many of them isnt.
Re: I regret buying turntables instead of CD-decks!
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| Originally posted by Evan Almae I so regret this. I mean look at it, every "new" song today is spun via cdr's. I have no cd-decks cause I spent all my money on the technics at the start, and now I can't scrounge up enough to buy a descent cd-deck. I see all these new sets in the amateur section, and listen to dj's on internet radio, and they're all spun on cd-decks; songs that haven't been released; songs that are d/l and played out. I feel like never making another recorded mix cause its already dated when I get the vinyl. What does everyone make of this??? peace. Steve |
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| Originally posted by DJ LIQUID I strongly disagree with you turntables > cd decks if your going to download all your music your better off just mixing them on your computer |
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| Originally posted by dj_moonshine u dont download , u buy it |
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| Originally posted by Evan Almae ANd about what you do with the tracks making you a diverse DJ. Not in the progressive, trance array of things! Its souly based on your TL and your mixing skills! |
yeah, great, unreleased tracks are always nice
but in reality, those are mp3s burnt and put onto cdr and stuck into a cd-deck
im sure for online mixing it sounds just fine cause people are only listening at 128k or whatever, lower maybe?
you play mp3s in a club environment.. its gunna sound like.. uh how to put it - shit
and HERE, in Australia (might be different over there) - turntables are still in every club, some clubs dont have one cd deck let alone two)
aside from all that, still playing ones and zeros, still playing a cold machine and pressing buttons, feels so lifeless i may as well not be there
Anyone ever thought that maybe some of these unreleased tracks are promo, or he found it as a whitelabel, I've got tracks before that haven't got released until awhile later, I just happened to find them as whitelabels.
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| Originally posted by Prodigy Child Anyone ever thought that maybe some of these unreleased tracks are promo, or he found it as a whitelabel, I've got tracks before that haven't got released until awhile later, I just happened to find them as whitelabels. |
Dude, I think that you need to stop freaking out and enjoy what you bought in the first place. I don't know what all of this nonsence is about not being able to get all the "fresh" tracks, but I have had two or three of those tracks for about a week now. You just posted this msg yesterday--and my shipping was international (not fast etc.). Maybe you just don't have the know-how to find them? Or maybe you don't know where to look for the release of those particular tracks? I don't know. If you didn't know this before, then maybe it's because different remixes are put out on different labels with some artists.
And as Prodigy Child stated above, how do you know that the djs who are spinning professionaly aren't getting promos/white labels that you aren't. How do you know that they aren't on the elite list and get sent great tracks--or know someone who does. How do you know that since they are spinning on a decently listened to internet radio, that the labels don't send them tracks to spin for promotion?
My point is that you don't. As a dj, bedroom or otherwise, you of course are more current on what tracks are new and which ones aren't than the typical layman. But this doesn't mean that you have the inside scoop that the top DJs do. They get tracks that are not going to be released for months, if ever. Point in fact North Pole - South Pole was being played by a lot of the elite close to three months before the official release date. Then it trickled down to a lot of other DJs, then finally it was released to where I could buy it.
The thing is, it is all sold on vinyl. That is how you get the best tracks the quickest. True, you may be able to pirate some tracks earlier than the release date, but real DJs won't be the ones to play them. They don't have to because they have the original on the vinyl that was sent to them. Enjoy what you have, and face the reality of what it means to not be the best dj in the world as well as be short on funds. All of us have been there.
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| Originally posted by Evan Almae Sure, some might be on promos, but only on CD-R. None of those, other than the 3 I mentioned are touching plastic at the moment. SOmeone prove me wrong. |
HHAHAHHAHHA, are you even paying attention to TODAY's music industry? Not all tracks are pressed and given to Dj's as promos first. They begin by sending them a "CD" with the song on it. Thats why clubs are incorporating cd-decks as industry standards. IE: 90% of the tracks Armin plays on his show are CD-R's. They might be signed to a label or might not be, and some are up and commers and just want Armin to play there song. But the fact is they mostly are on CD-R. Its commone sense nowadays.
Oh, I'm sorry oh wise one. You still have yet to let us see through your bullshit and prove to us common folk that what you say is "how it is". Provide me a link or two from a ezine, or something to that effect that can be looked at as more than someone's ignorant opinion. What is common knowledge is that the top djs get the promos first. This is evident by the fact that they are always playing the new tracks and they state such in publications. In Paul Oakenfold's Cream album, the insert said that he got some rediculous amound of new vinyls a month--he listened to them all, but only used like 3-4 a week. Honestly, whether they get it on cd or vinyl first doesn't matter either. This is because no matter what format it is pre-released on, you won't be getting your hands on it any faster than the rest of us amature DJs. Getting a cd deck won't let you get those tracks any faster. Even if you hear these unreleased tracks, it would almost defintely be from another DJ's set, and that, by your standards, means that the track is already out-dated.
But back to my original point, please, show me some proof of what you say is true.
For EXAMPLE:
Markus Schulz' Current TOP 10:
1. Clear Blue- Markus Schulz presents Elevation [Armada]<--Just recently signed to Armada, now way it was ever on vinyl.
2. Connected- PVD (Markus Schulz Reconstruction) [Mute]<---Same with this one.
3. Solar Myth- Piece Process (Markus Schulz Remix) [CDR]<--hmm....CD-R
4. Breaking Away- Perry O'Neil [CDR]...CD-R again???
5. Eggs Are Cute- James Talk [Nu-Replublic]<--Promos just came out a month ago, but this song has been played for quite sometime.
6. Perfect Wave- PeterMartin [CDR]<---WOW, another CD-R??
7. Stand- Jewel (Markus Schulz Coldharbour mix) [Atlantic]
8. Anything- Lili Hayden (Gabriel & Dresden E String Remix) [AAL]
9. Matter Of Time- Evolved [Baroque]<----Released already
10. I love You- Phil Kieren [Yoshitoshi]<---Released already
And another thing, I run the release thread in the music discussion forum! Although I do not know everything about releases, there is always valuable info coming up in there. I'm just waiting for someone to come along and agree with me...
heres a little case senario. a couple of years ago i heard picotto play this track at energy. i think it was 2001. it was mario piu - mathmos. holy shit i wanted that track so much... sooo soo much. i lived in india at the time and that wasnt.. well the easiest place to get vinyl. anyway it took months to get the mp3, and in clubs i would play the track quite a bit off cdr.
FINALLY years later (this summer actually) a friend got it from me from some guy second hand in the netherlands. i went and got it when i was visiting her... this proves that tracks are alot easier to get on cdr..
i would never trade my TTs for cd decks, but i definitely agree with evan almae that newer promos and stuff are easier found on cdr than vinyl. no doubt about it. in the end it comes down to what is more important to you, spinning the newest tracks that have barely left the producers hands, or spinning what you can find in your nearest record shop, and how it is done.
Re: I regret buying turntables instead of CD-decks!
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| Originally posted by Evan Almae I so regret this. I mean look at it, every "new" song today is spun via cdr's. I have no cd-decks cause I spent all my money on the technics at the start, and now I can't scrounge up enough to buy a descent cd-deck. I see all these new sets in the amateur section, and listen to dj's on internet radio, and they're all spun on cd-decks; songs that haven't been released; songs that are d/l and played out. I feel like never making another recorded mix cause its already dated when I get the vinyl. What does everyone make of this??? peace. Steve |
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| Originally posted by Evan Almae For EXAMPLE: Markus Schulz' Current TOP 10: 1. Clear Blue- Markus Schulz presents Elevation [Armada]<--Just recently signed to Armada, now way it was ever on vinyl. 2. Connected- PVD (Markus Schulz Reconstruction) [Mute]<---Same with this one. 3. Solar Myth- Piece Process (Markus Schulz Remix) [CDR]<--hmm....CD-R 4. Breaking Away- Perry O'Neil [CDR]...CD-R again??? 5. Eggs Are Cute- James Talk [Nu-Replublic]<--Promos just came out a month ago, but this song has been played for quite sometime. 6. Perfect Wave- PeterMartin [CDR]<---WOW, another CD-R?? 7. Stand- Jewel (Markus Schulz Coldharbour mix) [Atlantic] 8. Anything- Lili Hayden (Gabriel & Dresden E String Remix) [AAL] 9. Matter Of Time- Evolved [Baroque]<----Released already 10. I love You- Phil Kieren [Yoshitoshi]<---Released already And another thing, I run the release thread in the music discussion forum! Although I do not know everything about releases, there is always valuable info coming up in there. I'm just waiting for someone to come along and agree with me... |
I seem to recal that Jose Amnesia - The Eternal is a little on the old side? (Might be a new mix, but I recal seeing that version around for a while too).
What you are saying is not strictly true. I do this for a living and I am signed up to several promo agencies. The majority of stuff I get sent is complete crap for starters. The majority of what I get is also in vinyl. It is only the top 50 or so DJs in the country/scene who will get anything worth playing in most cases and they will get them on the format they request.
When you sign up to a promo agency they actually ask you what your prefered format is.
What you also seem to forget is that a lot of DJs spend a lot of time tracking down tracks that will make them come across as being unique. There is status in having a hard to find track because people will associate you with that track. That's part of what DJing is about.
I'm not sure where you are getting this impression but I more often than not hear the arguement in reverse i.e. DJs who wish they had TTs instead as they can't get hold of CDs. Even seen it on the TA forums.
When I work I must say that I very rarely see a DJ who just uses CDs, most of the guys I work with will use mostly or completely vinyl.
Why not play both vinyl and CDs to make yourself have more options?
And even if CD promos were to come out before vinyl would you have any greater chance of getting hold of one?
With regards to playing MP3s acquired on the net and burnt to CDs in clubs, that's a big no no. Clubs will freak as it puts them at risk with regards to their public performance license.
It's wrong to say that people also just expect new tracks when clubbing. Most times it's us DJs who put this pressure on other DJs not the average clubber. I play older tracks alongside newer ones, but then define old and new. Is something old just because Corsten has been playing it for three months. Perhaps, but I think the answer is no. It may only be him and a hand full of top DJs who have the track so unless someone actually heard him play, most people who are not as deeply interested in the trance scene will not have heard it. Even when the white label is released for us lesser mortals. Some songs are years old before they get released.
People expect to be entertained when they go to a club, they want to have a good time. Sometimes that will involve cutting edge trance, sometimes the older stuff works better. A crowd pleaser is a crowd pleaser regardless of age. Most clubbers wont even notice as they are actually there to have a good time and not see you.
A good DJ can have quite average records and work them in a way that they sound better than they are just buy putting them together well.
DJing is a lot more than just having the latest music my friend. Although I feel your frustration with the availability of some stuff, you have decks and vinyl... what could be more fun? Well.. appart from perhaps being Monica Belucci's nipple tweaker?
Best of luck either way
Cheers
Nem
well i agree at some points with you all. First i want to state that Evan has a point by saying that djs nowadays play like 50% of cd-r. That is great, imo. For instance on the GDJB and on ASOT i hear the latest records, just like every other TA. With this forum, and so many knowledge and intelligence, we have the info when they are released, IF THEY ARE TO BE RELEASED....
This is the problem guys. Recordcompanies only press tunes if they think there will be a lot of people buying it. A lot safer in these days when economy is going crap. If i want a tune, so much, and have to wait for ages till the time they finally release it, it is overplayed and maybe overrated by myself. Anyway, it takes with some records for 6 months till they release a one sided promo...And they will cost you 9 euro. At that point i feel like not buying the record.
When you are excited about a track, and want to buy it, that is the point when the record should be in the shops. Because only then records are sold so much more. With the current tunes pressed, i am in the same situation as Evan. Ok, true that only 10 out of the 200 in a club know the track, but for yourself it has to be fun if you can drop a fresh track, and the 10 are like. 
Guess that only famous djs are having this oppertunity.
My point is in short that recordcompanys should release a lot faster, to get the tracks out when they are hyped.
In the current situation only the most populair tracks are released, and all the upcomming tallent are convicted to playing old material, instead of fresh. If they are sending demos, it is allways the same tracks in the mix...
Anyway, i want to be more clear, but i can't ....and now i have to go, hope any of you understand my point a bit...
Sander
Not saying I advocate the product or know too much about it... But if you're so pissed off, why don't you look into Final Scratch? You can still play music that you download off the internet, and play it on your turntables. I still think a DJ sitting there with a computer looks goofy, but if you absolutely have to pirate your music before everyone else gets a fresh press, then this would seem the way to go.
He never said that Markus, Armin and the like download the tracks and then put them on CD, heh. I think what he's saying is that since so many big DJ's are playing CD-R's, that by the time the amateurs can get them on vinyl, they're dated. And as for the Amateurs posting sets all done using downloaded mp3's, I won't even download them. I only download sets I know are using promo CD-Rs or vinyl. I know I'm only one in a million, but that's just how I deal with it.
Either you have to just do what you've been doing, or you can get CD Decks and get the mp3's off the net. I know what I'd do, and it doesn't involve CD Decks. So unless you have connections Steve, CD Decks aren't going to help you unless you want to go the download route. I'd just stick with your Techs and be happy with them. Not everyone can play all the newest stuff, but it does suck that by the time we get the vinyl, it's been played for several months, usually more.
From my perspective I think it's hurting the industry, because by the time vinyl presses are out of certain songs, I'm sick of them and don't even consider buying them. If I were to hear stuff one day and they were out on vinyl in less than a month, I would be after a lot more records than I am with the current situation. I don't like it, but there's nothing we can do about it m8. 
Oh, one other thing. I look at it this way. There are two kind of people who have CD Decks - those who have connections and get promo CD-Rs, and those who spin all mp3's burnt onto disc.
So as I said, unless you have the connections to get CD-Rs from the producer, I don't see the point of getting CD Decks. The only reason I've been tempted to get them is to back up my vinyl on CD and to spin tracks from the amateur production forum after receiving consent from the producer.
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