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Posted by montie on Oct-07-2003 09:46:

scratching on CD turntables

well i've been wanting to pick up a CD table for awhile now.
i have been leaning towards the Denon S5000, cuz i hear its just as good as the pioneer cdj1000's but has more features. (and its cheaper)

i'm wanting to do some scratching also on the CD table. I've seen Zabiela scratch it up on the Pioneers and record and do loops and am amazed and want to start messing around.

how does the Denon compare to the pioneer's in terms of "digital scratching"? and what are all your guys thoughts on "scratching" on CD trables?
any tips?
or am i just an idiot cuz you can't scratch on CD tables

Posted by DJTranceworld on Oct-07-2003 10:49:

Hi There

I havent used a Denon, but i do own a Pioneer CDJ-800 and its amazing, the scratching is just like vinyl. Theres some cool shit you can do on it too. But really it just comes down to the fact that you have to use both. Have a go on Denon's & both the Pioneers, because theres two single top cd players by both makes. The Dns-3000 and the 5000 or something like that. and with pioneer theres the CDJ-1000 & the CDJ-800.
But bascially its a personal choice. so have a go on all 4 and see which you like most.

Posted by dj1212 on Oct-07-2003 14:36:

It really depends on 2 things in my opinion,

1) what you are used to
2) what you want to be able to do

do you do a lot of scratching on your turntables? if so, then you will probably like the Denon more than the CDJ b/c the Denon has a spinning platter that has the resistance like you would on a regular turntable - it felt a lot more comfortable to me. The platter on teh CDJ just kinda sits there and you move it around - it isn't crappy or anything, I guess it just takes time to get used to using, but again to me it just didn't feel natural.

However apparently the Denon doesn't handle crazy scratching (like Zabiela) as well as the CDJ does and start to sound "digitized" after awhile.

The guy at the Guitar Center said they were addressing this issue in a new model of the Denon, but that the TEchnics unit was also coming out soon that also has the motorized platter. I will say that I was really impressed with both units - I always said I would never switch to CDs until I could do everything exactly the same (and more) as when spinning vinyl. I think that time has finally come.

1212

Posted by Zack Roth on Oct-07-2003 15:45:

I owned one S5000 and took it back and got a cdj1000MK2. The Denon's scratchign realy doesn't sound too great at all. As someone said, very digital. I personally think teh moving platter is gay, but thats just me. I couldn't be happier with the 2 CDJs I have now.

Posted by montie on Oct-07-2003 22:45:

aight thanks for the info.

i was originaly leaning towards the Denon's but i realy want to do some scratching on the CD tables.

is there much of a difference for the digital scratching on the CDJ800 vs. the CDJ1000?

what cool stuff do i gain by forking out a few more hundred bucks?

Posted by djshan on Oct-08-2003 00:29:

well i dont scratch when i dj but i tried once one the numark axis9's and it sounded quite real.

Posted by pumavisor808 on Oct-08-2003 01:00:

If you're going to scratch you better get the Pioneers... I own the denon S5000's and wouldn't trade them for anything, but the Pioneers are better for scratching. They sound more realistic.
I don't scratch that much so the Denon was better for me... had more options that suited me. But for scratching def. get the Pioneer CDJ1000's...

Posted by DR86 on Oct-08-2003 01:28:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_moonshine
well i dont scratch when i dj but i tried once one the numark axis9's and it sounded quite real.

i have those decks
and you're right, they sound pretty damn real.

Posted by montie on Oct-08-2003 01:38:

sounds like pioneers the way to go.

but whats the difference in scratching on a CDJ800 vs. a CDJ1000 or a 1000mk2?

Posted by Zack Roth on Oct-08-2003 01:49:

I have a 1000, and a 1000 MK2, and their scratching cpabilities are exactly the same. The 1000's don't have a cue marker, that the MK2's and 800's have, but other than that, they are all the same. Personally, if you can find the 1000's, I would say go with those. Basically the same exact machine as the MK2 save for some minor functions, like the cue marker.

Posted by _-MIl0 on Oct-09-2003 00:02:

if your going to be scratching all i can say is nothing compares to real vinil, though i do scratch on cd's sometimes i still prefer doing it on vinil you get a feel for the scratch as you do it on vinil which is something i dont get with cd's

Posted by montie on Oct-09-2003 00:13:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Mil0
if your going to be scratching all i can say is nothing compares to real vinil, though i do scratch on cd's sometimes i still prefer doing it on vinil you get a feel for the scratch as you do it on vinil which is something i dont get with cd's

true true. i feel that nothing beats the feel of vinyl over all.
but i'd like to be able to scratch on CDs also. with CDs you can do alot more like recording and looping your scratchs and so forth, plus you never wear down your needles and vinyl.

Posted by `pr0digy on Oct-09-2003 01:02:

Posted by WhooCares on Oct-09-2003 03:43:

is this good?

i got a new pyramid pr cd10 studio pro.. is this cinsidered a cd deck and can u scratch on it?? if not ill take it back.. cuz all i want is to connect it to my deck and mixer and vuala! but have not tried it.. can anyone help please

Posted by dj1212 on Oct-09-2003 21:18:

never heard of pyramid, but all I want to know is when those Technics CD decks are coming out!!!!

Posted by eMin on Oct-10-2003 04:24:

i think u should take a look of the Numark CDX-1 , its a special CD deck for scratching..

Posted by T:REBEL on Oct-14-2003 16:33:

I'm not high on scratching on CDs but I've tried out the Pioneers
before I feel that scratching is more accurate on vinyl.

Nonetheless, the Pioneer CDJ-1000 is one of the best CD-tables out there for skratchin'...

Posted by dj trinity on Oct-14-2003 19:54:

hey ther
i dont think you can sctrach without a moving platter
i have a dn-s5000 and i worked a few times with the 800,1000
and the denon is much more comftable the denon is great think about that you can screach the main track,alpha and sampler(4 samplers)
and the little switch that able you to do the crossfader work...

Posted by djshan on Oct-15-2003 13:17:

quote:
Originally posted by `pr0digy
Not to get off topic, but can you PLEASE learn how to spell VINYL right ? Thanks.

hmmm lets see now..

vinil=VINYL