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Posted by Kamikaze Badger on Oct-08-2003 01:04:

Computer DJing

I was just wondering what everyones opinions on using computers to DJ is. Ive made a roughly 20 minute long combo of songs(you cant mix using VideoMach). So whats everyones idea on it?


Posted by Ibiza Dreams on Oct-08-2003 01:54:

Totally do-able... easier than live mixing since the better computer DJing programs can very accurately calculate the BPMs of MP3 tracks... no need to beatmatch. The best program out there right now for DJing is the reborn version of AtomixMP3 called Virtual DJ...

www.virtualdj.com

It's over 100 dollars, but one of the best programs out there. Download the Mix Station Skin, gives it even more features.
I've done quite a number of full-length (70-80) minute mixed compilations where the mixing and transitions are near flawless. But of course, you have to move on up to REAL djing sooner or later.


Posted by TempesTrip on Oct-08-2003 06:24:

basically your a whore if you use auto bpms on anything if you are that experienced where you feel like saying "o i can do this blind lemme just use auto bpms for this mix" then obviously you can't do it blind. i hate auto-bpms it takes away from everything that is apart of djing at least the first and most imporstant step of it. i persoanlly use a comination of final scratch, my original vinyl collection and pcdj red,pcdj-fx none with auto bpm scanned or auto gain. just get used to it. you have to beat match stop looking for easy ways out. practice practice. i've trained 4 people so far and they have all become fantastic djs. it just takes time and the willingness to learn. peace off.. thank your drive thrue - n0 LaG 2 table 1a l8z


Posted by capricorn15 on Oct-08-2003 07:33:

if you are only going to go as far as djing on the computer for yourself or whatever, go ahead and use autobpm, not like you need to practice beat matching or something. and tempest, if ya go final scratch, why do you use pcdj?


Posted by Kamikaze Badger on Oct-08-2003 21:40:

Ok, i was just making sure i wouldnt be dissed in the DJing world for doing some computer DJing before getting my actuall equipment. My moms getting some good money from selling our excess tack(horse equipment) on Ebay, so hopefully ill be able to get my stuff soon.



And you know how you were talking about the price? Pricetags dont mean shitz0r to me. Ares was made for that .


EDIT: And i sort of figured out before hand that anyone who auto-bpms is a total n00b who dosnt even deserve the title of DJ.


Posted by diesel0 on Oct-08-2003 21:52:

Traktor is probably the best Computer DJ software out so far.


Posted by _-MIl0 on Oct-09-2003 00:21:

i use tractor along with my decks (2 cd 1 vinil)think its the best but since im using cd decks and vinil decks with it the auto bpm dosent work also i think your takeing away from the art of djing if you use auto bpm


Posted by Kamikaze Badger on Oct-09-2003 02:26:

Ok, ill look into getting tractor then. Im not going to pay any money though, as i use warez .


Posted by capricorn15 on Oct-09-2003 04:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Kamikaze Badger
Ok, i was just making sure i wouldnt be dissed in the DJing world for doing some computer DJing before getting my actuall equipment. My moms getting some good money from selling our excess tack(horse equipment) on Ebay, so hopefully ill be able to get my stuff soon.



And you know how you were talking about the price? Pricetags dont mean shitz0r to me. Ares was made for that .


EDIT: And i sort of figured out before hand that anyone who auto-bpms is a total n00b who dosnt even deserve the title of DJ.


anyone who djs on the computer doesnt deserve the title of dj, but if that is as far as they are going to go, then who gives a shit


Posted by payne on Oct-09-2003 05:10:

I started out using Traktor on the pc, i had no idea about mixing but gradually learnt and could mix fairly well (so i thought) on my computer. Made a few mix cds relying totally on the auto-sync function to keep the tracks in time and i thought it sounded great.

Now after owning turntables for a year i listen to old mix cds i made with traktor, the beats are always a little off. You can't rely on the auto-sync, it just doesn't work properly. The only way to mix with these programs is to do it by ear and even then the tracks will be in time and then magically drift off beat when they are supposedly travelling at exactly the same bpm.

Still they are good fun to play around with...


Posted by DarkFall01 on Oct-11-2003 00:51:

I use Traktor DJ Studio 2, it works. U can get pretty perfect beatmatching and do some cool stuff with it, but I get bored after 20minutes of mixing, its just too easy. If you don't have turntables like me, its alright, but it does get boring after a while, thats why I'm getting tables pretty soon


Posted by Shad0wmaster on Oct-12-2003 05:18:

quote:
Originally posted by hadi ******
anyone who djs on the computer doesnt deserve the title of dj, but if that is as far as they are going to go, then who gives a shit


I don't think that's a very fair statement, I mix on my computer and I hate it. I don't mix MP3s because I want to, I mix MP3s because I have to, because I can't afford decent gear atm. I practice a LOT with my computer and I try to develop my techniques and mixes as much as possible with it. Just because a computer HAS the option of auto-mix and auto-bpm, does that not make me a DJ? I _NEVER_ use auto-bpm or auto-mix.

Traktor is definitely the best program out there, unfortunately my computer is too old and shitty to run it, so I'm forced to use Atomix. I really hate Atomix because of its stupid visual beatmatching Beat visualization is the worst! Just because you can see the beats doesn't mean they're going to sound good lined up with each other. You need to be able to hear how one beat will complement the other, the fact that Atomix doesn't give you a way to do this just SUCKS.

Even though I mix mainly with MP3s right now, I'm going to agree with everybody who said that vinyls are the way to go. Much more fun to learn with and much more fun to mix.


Posted by TempesTrip on Oct-12-2003 07:02:

quote:
Originally posted by hadi ******
if you are only going to go as far as djing on the computer for yourself or whatever, go ahead and use autobpm, not like you need to practice beat matching or something. and tempest, if ya go final scratch, why do you use pcdj?



#1 because i am on the production team so it's nice to keep in touch with the team on bugs and stuff if any. #2 every now and then i want to mix for myself for fun for that long car ride i may have to take across the city and i don't feel like booting up my labtop or main computer to run Final scratch. Answer ur question? good.. kk bye byez Glad u at least agree that any one who mixes with weak ass computer point and click no skill programs aren't going anywhere... RB2 Wut da hell hit me luva - peace off


Posted by diesel0 on Oct-12-2003 18:50:

Hah, what a dick.


Posted by Billabong on Oct-12-2003 19:26:

quote:
Originally posted by hadi ******
anyone who djs on the computer doesnt deserve the title of dj, but if that is as far as they are going to go, then who gives a shit


What a load of bullshit, i mix on my computer at the moment, and im getting decks this christmas, i already have a lot of records. Anyone like you dosnt deserve to be a DJ, everyone has to start out somewhere.


Posted by Kamikaze Badger on Oct-12-2003 22:06:

Ok, after spending 10 minutes fiddling around with the Traktor DJ Studio 2 demo, i think im finally getting into this. Now i just need to handle the whole bpm thing.


Posted by tvmann on Oct-12-2003 23:20:

I'm an amateur DJ and I'm not sure how much further I'll go, but here's my 2 cents worth. IMO you need good equipment for any type of work, so it's a choice between spending money on computers/software, or on conventional DJ turntables/CD decks.

I like Traktor, it runs fine on a fast computer and quality sound card, but it has a few minor bugs and problems. But if I go further, it will be as a computer DJ, because it's obvious that computers and software will get better, while those who use turntables are using a technology that is not going to get much better.

If you have quality CDs or vinyl records it's possible to do a good job of ripping them so you get the same sound quality from the mp3. If you don't want to compress the music to mp3 you can use WAV files which is the format on a regular audio CD.

I did some tests where I digitized a new vinyl record into my computer, and compared the sound from vinyl, WAV, 128k mp3 and 256k mp3, and I could hear very little difference. I do all my own mp3 rips at 256k which is probably overkill. Other people who did a bad ripping job on mp3s you might have found on the WWW, might have been using poorly recorded records or CDs, bad turntables, incorrect recording levels from vinyl, and older low-quality mp3 encoder software.

It seems to me that a DJ does a lot of things. If he or she gets some help from the computer in some of those activities, he's still a DJ. He needs to listen to LOTS of music, select and learn about his genres of music, select the tracks he will play, decide on the playing sequence, move the tracks onto the real or virtual decks, get the tracks into the right position, do beatmatching, do the transition mix, and maybe do some additional mixing during the track play.

The computer can help with some of that work, maybe with the beatmatching if the DJ is using the right type of music. Definitely the computer can help the DJ find the tracks and put them on the decks. The DJ can use the time saved to observe the dance floor reactions, plan and set up the next tracks, or just relax and have a little more fun. In other words, potentially the computer can help someone do a better job.

I probably shouldn't be saying all this. I want everyone out there, who could be competitors, to just stay away from computers, OK? They're very bad.


Posted by Dhagor on Oct-13-2003 00:21:

diesel0 who is that sweetass girl in your posts... ?


Posted by Kamikaze Badger on Oct-13-2003 01:34:

Im only going to use computers to practice DJing untill i get my decks. Im DJing in chicago in 2006, and i need all the practice i can get.




And if you want to hear a good(in my opinion) computer DJ, get at track by DJ Doboy. My favorite is Trancequility Special Summer Edition Vol. 1.


Posted by bent on Oct-13-2003 16:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Kamikaze Badger
Im only going to use computers to practice DJing untill i get my decks. Im DJing in chicago in 2006, and i need all the practice i can get.




And if you want to hear a good(in my opinion) computer DJ, get at track by DJ Doboy. My favorite is Trancequility Special Summer Edition Vol. 1.


You've planned a gig 3 years away? tell me more .. im interested


Posted by Tranquil010 on Oct-13-2003 20:48:

I personnaly am not to fon of computers mixing for you.. Honestly, i dont think its DJ;ing when a compter does it for you. All the auto beat matching and shit doesnt do it for me...
anywyas, i just like using hands on materials like turntbales, i get bored clicking a mouse eveytime i want a command.. thanks


Posted by Kamikaze Badger on Oct-13-2003 22:34:

Thats why most of us dont use any auto stuff. Im only going to use it untill i get my decks.


And on the gig:


Redcon '06 is a major Redwall Fan event taking place in chicago, illinois. There will be dancing among all the other stuff, and i will play and mix some songs. For more info, go to http://way.to/redcon


Posted by capricorn15 on Oct-16-2003 02:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Billabong
What a load of bullshit, i mix on my computer at the moment, and im getting decks this christmas, i already have a lot of records. Anyone like you dosnt deserve to be a DJ, everyone has to start out somewhere.


if you read my post, i said if that is as far as you are going to go (as in, only mp3 mixing), then you dont deserve the title of dj. anyone like me doesnt deserve to be a dj? ive been using decks for over 2 fuckin years, dont even bring that shit to me. and yes everyone does have to start out somewhere, and back to my original post, if you arent going further than mp3 djing, then you dont deserve the title of dj


Posted by amdmaxx on Oct-16-2003 10:14:

2.5 coming out soon!!

quote:
Originally posted by diesel0
Traktor is probably the best Computer DJ software out so far.



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