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Let's talk Technical Skills for Dj's

I'm FURIOUS to see that ppl on this board are SOOOO into trance ( and probably that they've never really heard a GREAT technical dj ) that they think that Pvd or armin or who cares what trance dj, are technically better than any other dj's !!!


Guys

Let's be serious

If Dj mag top 100 dj list would be a Technical skills competition..

DAVE CLARKE
BEN SIMS
CARL COX
And
PREACH

Would place in the top 4 ... Exactly the way i just listed them !

And Btw ...

COME ON

I've heard EVERY biG trance Dj's ( Armin, Ferry, marco V, Van Dyk to name a few ) i've yet to see oakie

BUT COME ON !!!!

Half of them can't even put two beats together ... and i'm not joking .. i'Ve never heard as many Trainwreck in a dj set then when i hear a Trance Dj

Believe me

I'm a house maniac ... i'm not really into techno at all

But NO DJ'S are better ( technically ) than Techno dj's .. let's be honest !!!

KrinKer

Im glad somebody pull this thread out

krinker im with you on that one
and i dont want you to think i hate trance I still love to ear some trance once in a while but live its something else...

Another useless thread from someone that doesn't know what he is talking about...

NO krinker, if we are talking best technical dj, I would say that cox, sims and clarke are up there but why forget one name "danny tenaglia". I find he is probably the best technical dj out there because his mixing is so spot on and he is fundamentally sound. If you were going to add another name, I'd add john digweed because he is the same technical wise as tenaglia. You may not like the music they play but digweed and tenaglia are in the top 5 of technical wise. What about Andy C, tremendously technical dj and very good at that. Music Magazines claim the most technically sound dj out there was Tony De Vit (RIP 1998) but I've only heard a few sets and I cannot make an opinion on that.

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Originally posted by DJDan-B Another useless thread from someone that doesn't know what he is talking about...

Man

Let's just say something my little man

When you'll be a Musical researcher for dj's ... then come back and talk to me ... hence .. you'll never talk to me

Believe me .. if someone knows what he's talking about here ... i'm the one, i've heard soooo many dj's, and heard .. SOOO many of them making SOOO many mistakes is their mix and SOOO amny times i've heard about a dj's who's great and everything .. but NONE have shown me as much skills as CLARKE, SIMS, PREACH and Cox

As for

Digweed and Tenaglia

Yeah ok for digweed i like his music and i like his style ... but again let's be honest is mix aren't that complicated either ... he's a great dj don't get me wrong and i've experience things with him that i never tought possible ... but he's NOTHING compared to Clarke !!

As for tenaglia .. i can't pronnounced .. i've yet to ear him live

Btw ...

If u all think i like Clarke ..

I hate the guy .. he mixes sooooo quickly that i can dance .. and it frustrates me ... but still .. he's got more skills than a dozen dj's .. RUNITED !!!

KrinKEr

Nahhh, Danny Tenagl8ia is far to be in the top 10 for technical!
Same for Carl Cox, he's far to be in the top 10.

Here is my small list and names are nor in order:

Marco Carola
Ben Sims
Ben Sims
Dave Clarke
Mark Farina
Derrick carter (when he's really into it)
Terry Francis
Roger Sanchez (when he's really into it)
Space DJZ

i would say Ben Sims

listen to derrick carters sets, he jsut doesnt care how he trhows in and it sounds good. hes rough and like does the craziest effects jjust wit 2 records, so many vocals and backspins on the same track
its crazy

Ill say it again: what the hell r u talking about? Open your eyes dude and look at things from different directions, think a bit and you will get the point,.., musical reaserch, whatever....

Then again biggy, what technical means to me and technical means to you may be very different.

Derrick Carter is crazy tho, I have never heard of a deejay getting drunk, dancing on the dancefloor while records are being played and sending the crowd into cloud nine, all in the same night.

Are you talking about Danny T Torontotrance?
When you put a 15 minutes long track, you can go on the dancefloor to dance or go to the toilet, there is no difference. There is nothing about dj skills on the decks or with the mixer with this.

A guy like Dave Clarke is using every single effect out of the DJM-600 and it sounds good, I mean very good, even crazy.

Ben Sims is fast and aggressive, changing records so fast and always playing with 3 tracks at the same time. It's tribal crazy techno.

Mark Farina is so tight, he's doing super long mixes, just perfect.


Derrick Carter, he's fast. Changing trak hip-hop style with a lot of cuts (good cuts) adding the best acapellas etc...

WOW !!

I've created a topic that gets people to Post !!

WOW !!

How great am i !!

No seriously


The thing that's constent ... is that .. NO TRANCE DJ'S have good skills !! ( well .. not as good as carter, farina, sims, clarke .. and everybody forgot ... PREACH ... the guy is awesome .. skills like no other dj's in canada ( maybe more ) )

KrinKer

But danny tenaglia's mixing skils are amazing. You never see him trainwreck, you never really see him mess up. Yes he might play 15 min records but his mixing is quality and that is what I thought a technical deejay was all about.

Or are you trying to tell me that someone who mixes records in fast and does it well rates higher in the rating of technical deejays. I thought this was technical, not about the type of music they played because if you go by mixing records in quickly and doing seemlessly then you would have to add the turntablists like mixmaster mike, q-bert and kid koala.

Well, when we talk about great technical skills, it come closer to the talent of turntablist. Because if we are only talking about mixing 2 records, 2 mnay dj's can do it perfectly, it has to be more difficult than that.

What I mean is if you try to mix like Ben Sims, you will have to practice 1000 times more than to mix like Danny T.
So imagine with Qbert? But it's no more dance music so it's not comparable.

my 2 cents.

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Originally posted by KrinKer Believe me .. if someone knows what he's talking about here ... i'm the one, i've heard soooo many dj's, and heard

Ya, but you're also biased and hate trance, soo...

im a huge fan of trance.. but the best TECHNICAL dj are(IMO)
1.bbb(badboybill).. this guy can do it all.. juggle beats,scratch..etc.
2.dave clark(he used to do some crazy shit with the sampler)
3.carl cox ...very technically sound.
4.PVD... hehehe.. i had to throw him in there.. lol.
4.

Interview with Ben Sims on Aria

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Do you think it's essential for a DJ to produce? I think now it is essential for DJs to try and make music, or at least be more involved than just playing records, maybe years ago it was ok to just spin but now everybody can mix and you could probably teach a monkey to DJ, so it's hard to break through unless you have something else to offer like your own style or sound, and it's far easier to stand out if you've made records or done remixes that display what you're about...it's like an advert for what you do as a DJ.

No one tries to think about that most of those djs traveling 24/7, playing gigs all over the place on different setups. Not everybody can quickly adapt themselfs to new setups to be able to give the crowd the best of them. But more often, people don't think that some djs get tierd from previous gigs and might feel not that good, or just not in the mood... and all those things can be a reasonable factor in making little mistakes during transitions... But it doesn't mean they suck, infact PVD plays very well. And playing well doesnt mean that you have to pull ur fader and effects every 2 seconds. Infact, the less you notice the tansition, the more complicated it gets. Being able to play neat requires skills and precision.

you just can't compare a trance dj to a techno dj. You can't do shit with a trance record but with a techno or house record you really have a lot more versatility. Try to spin 3 trance tracks at the same time

Thats why i got more interested, as a dj, into techno, house, everything that is not trance

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Originally posted by DJDan-B No one tries to think about that most of those djs traveling 24/7, playing gigs all over the place on different setups. Not everybody can quickly adapt themselfs to new setups to be able to give the crowd the best of them. But more often, people don't think that some djs get tierd from previous gigs and might feel not that good, or just not in the mood... and all those things can be a reasonable factor in making little mistakes during transitions... But it doesn't mean they suck, infact PVD plays very well. And playing well doesnt mean that you have to pull ur fader and effects every 2 seconds. Infact, the less you notice the tansition, the more complicated it gets. Being able to play neat requires skills and precision.

djdan, we are not comparing for them being tired or not. but also remember no one tries to think about those djs that travel 24/7 and getting $35,000+ salary per night,limos, etc.but has nothing to do with the this topic.

u abviously didnt have him in ur clubs dj booth to notice and catch what kind of work this guy does and know why this guy is called a musical genius

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Originally posted by Biggy Well, when we talk about great technical skills, it come closer to the talent of turntablist. Because if we are only talking about mixing 2 records, 2 mnay dj's can do it perfectly, it has to be more difficult than that. What I mean is if you try to mix like Ben Sims, you will have to practice 1000 times more than to mix like Danny T. So imagine with Qbert? But it's no more dance music so it's not comparable. my 2 cents.

with danny tenaglia being able to spin all kinds of music and being able to carry out his sets for extremely long he must have extreme talent.. then again it depends what you define as a technical genius?.. being on cue.. harmonically matched? scratching skills? improvisations?

alot of hip hop djs can scratch like crazy (as well as other djs) but cant beat match at all

what about james zabiela he can scratch for the longest amount of time and make it sound good with the music he spins.. hard techno djs are very good at layering tracks.. and quick mixing

so all in all it depends on what defines technically best


personally all djs have their good days and bad days.. im sure tenaglia train wrecks sometimes.. all djs do... layering 3 tracks will also turn out bad sometimes..

its a tough desision.. i dont know who to vote for.. but tenaglia would definately be up there

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Originally posted by alec Ya, but you're also biased and hate trance, soo...

I don't hate trance as much as i say it ..

I have time that i listen to trance ( yeah ... but not often don't go havock )

I prefer house and techno for sure !!

But still

Technically speaking

No ones .. beats techno dj's ... ( yeha ok turntablist ... but it's not mixing anuymore ! )

KrinKer

From what I've seen:
Sander K and Deep Dish - best house DJs
PVD - best trance Dj
Marco Corola - best techo DJ
And I agree with Dj Dan that mixing is not how many effects u're able to pull off, but how smooth the transition is. Another thing is that all those effects u can pull off on house music - there's no way u can do that in trance, trance is not made so that u can play on 3 turntables or put in different acapellas and sounds all the time, b/c it just gets messy!

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Originally posted by Ortemy From what I've seen: Sander K and Deep Dish - best house DJs PVD - best trance Dj Marco Corola - best techo DJ And I agree with Dj Dan that mixing is not how many effects u're able to pull off, but how smooth the transition is. Another thing is that all those effects u can pull off on house music - there's no way u can do that in trance, trance is not made so that u can play on 3 turntables or put in different acapellas and sounds all the time, b/c it just gets messy!

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3 turntables can be tricky.. but throwing acapellas on isnt that bad.. armin does it all the time


ive tried it before on alec's radio show and it went well i think

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