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Christopher Columbus: Hero or Mass Murderer

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mass murderer because he brought the flu or...?

I think all will agree though he was an explorer, even if he was a ill-begotten mass murder.

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Originally posted by Yoepus mass murderer because he brought the flu or...? I think all will agree though he was an explorer, even if he was a ill-begotten mass murder.

Mass murder because he and his men slaughtered several thousand Hispaniolans cuz they didn't bring him gold. The thing is Hispaniola didn't have any gold on the island.

- Ok guys, Im surprised on how little you guys know about Christopher Colombus. He is an explorer, and a genuine mariner. He did not do any mass murder, wherever you got that, let me know please. Instead, he became friends with the indians, and got along with them, traded and such. But then after, when he went back to spain, and brought gold, guess what.. the Queen Isabell sent more man, and had man on charge of Christopher.. very wack from her side, but yeah, she sent other guys to rule over and take over the lands that Colombus had discover, and THEY were the assholes.. they were even assholes with christopher colombus.. and they credited Americo Vespucio ( Hence name America ).. for discovering the Americas.. something that Colombus knew and would have done ( he only got to the Bahamas, caribbean islands, cuba but not mainland.. although he wanted, they didnt let him nor believe him ).. anyways, they credited Americo Vespucio for such, but later on, years after, after Colombus died, they changed their minds and gave the credit of him discovering America.. but no, it wasent Christopher Colombus ( Cristobal Colon ).. who did the murders, it was the assholes, ambitious son of their mothers who did all the damage afterwards.... so .. read some more history!

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Originally posted by Galapidate Mass murder because he and his men slaughtered several thousand Hispaniolans cuz they didn't bring him gold. The thing is Hispaniola didn't have any gold on the island.

Once again.. it was the other assholes who Isabell Sent to rule over, both Christopher and the lands..

I don't get off for columbus day . But with respect to the topic at hand, I can think of far worse examples of European exploration/colonialism.

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Originally posted by occrider I don't get off for columbus day . But with respect to the topic at hand, I can think of far worse examples of European exploration/colonialism.

werd.

The details that LiquidX mentioned do help clarify some of the misconcpetions...

well being half italian and mexican... both. his a hero, and mass murderer

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Originally posted by LiquidX - Ok guys, Im surprised on how little you guys know about Christopher Colombus. He is an explorer, and a genuine mariner. He did not do any mass murder, ...

but he discovered america so he gets the blame

He is a historical figure of little or no significance. Categorizing him as a hero is ludicrous, and there is no verifiable evidence to suggest that he's directly responsible for any "mass murder." So, the answer is neither.

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Originally posted by Arbiter He is a historical figure of little or no significance. Categorizing him as a hero is ludicrous, and there is no verifiable evidence to suggest that he's directly responsible for any "mass murder." So, the answer is neither.

try telling that to some italian american communities

why little or no historical significane?

After all he organized, and charted the first Spanish expedition to the new world - releasing the future of European colonial efforts in the Americas.

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Originally posted by Yoepus why little or no historical significane? After all he organized, and charted the first Spanish expedition to the new world - releasing the future of European colonial efforts in the Americas.

Colonialism was clearly inevitable. If he hadn't been the first, someone else would have and history would have proceeded in much the same way.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Colonialism was clearly inevitable. If he hadn't been the first, someone else would have and history would have proceeded in much the same way.

- I consider him a hero because.... he was a believer on that the world was round, at that time, the best geographers in the church thought the world was plane, so Colombus proving them wrong was totally out of place.. so Colombus actually proved them wrong.- Secondly, if it werent for his expedition and teh foundation of the America's.. Europe wouldn't be what it is today, neither the world.- Whoever would've discovered America, would have been qualified as such.. its a continent, not an island.. if you know what I mean. Secondly, like I said, there is the history of Colombus, and he just discovered, and then Queen Isabell sent the other man to take over.. she didnt even credit Colombus for such discovery, such that she didnt even give him power to at least rule or command whatever was to be done on the islands he discovered.. nor voyage.. so that definetly lets you know that it wasnt him who did mass murder.- Since at that time, the catholics were killing everyone, and forcing everyone to become catholic, or else die.. well, guess what they tried doing with the indians.. eitherway.. the foundation of each and every country in america is thankfull to Colombus.. it did change history, so yes.. he deserves such title.

something cool

i heard christopher columbus was jewish anxious to get out of spain with the inquisition going down

here are some notes i found to support the claim...
1)His last name, as presented at the Court of Ferdinand and Isabella was "Col�n", a Jewish variation of the more common Spanish "Colom" or "Colombo".

2) His official report of his first voyage to America to Ferdinand and Isabella began with the following words:" And thus, having expelled all the Jews from all your kingdoms and dominions, in the month of January, Your Highnesses..." A strange beginning statement for someone that just returned from a remarkable, supposedly impossible voyage. Of course the reference to January was just as strange.

3) Luis de Santangel, probably a Marrano or Converso, but certainly a recent convert to Christianity loaned the crown 17,000 ducats for Columbus' ships for the voyage in time to leave before August 2nd.

4) Columbus employed uniquely Jewish dates and phrases. Instead of referring to the "destruction" or "fall of Jerusalem," he used the phrase "the destruction of the second house." for the destruction of the second Temple using a literal translation of the Hebrew "Bayit."
He also employed the Hebrew reckoning of 68 a.d. instead of 70 a.d.

5) Columbus is said to have used a unique triangular signature similar to inscriptions found on gravestones of Jewish cemeteries in Spain and South France.

6) And perhaps most importantly, in the upper left corner of his letters to his son Diego, was the Hebrew letters "Bet Hey", which stand for the Hebrew blessing "Be Ezrat Ha Shem," or "with G-d's help."

pretty kewl

Didn't Colombus think when he landed on the Caribbean islands that he had landed in the East Indies (today's Indonesia)?

Anyways Colombus had help when he sailed west. The Chinese had already charted some of those east-lying Caribbean islands during their exploratory voyages of 1421-23, and copies of some of their maps had made it to Europe by the mid-15th century; Colombus's most prized possession on his ship was one of these copies.

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Originally posted by DJBARON i heard christopher columbus was jewish anxious to get out of spain with the inquisition going down here are some notes i found to support the claim... 1)His last name, as presented at the Court of Ferdinand and Isabella was "Col�n", a Jewish variation of the more common Spanish "Colom" or "Colombo". 2) His official report of his first voyage to America to Ferdinand and Isabella began with the following words:" And thus, having expelled all the Jews from all your kingdoms and dominions, in the month of January, Your Highnesses..." A strange beginning statement for someone that just returned from a remarkable, supposedly impossible voyage. Of course the reference to January was just as strange. 3) Luis de Santangel, probably a Marrano or Converso, but certainly a recent convert to Christianity loaned the crown 17,000 ducats for Columbus' ships for the voyage in time to leave before August 2nd. 4) Columbus employed uniquely Jewish dates and phrases. Instead of referring to the "destruction" or "fall of Jerusalem," he used the phrase "the destruction of the second house." for the destruction of the second Temple using a literal translation of the Hebrew "Bayit." He also employed the Hebrew reckoning of 68 a.d. instead of 70 a.d. 5) Columbus is said to have used a unique triangular signature similar to inscriptions found on gravestones of Jewish cemeteries in Spain and South France. 6) And perhaps most importantly, in the upper left corner of his letters to his son Diego, was the Hebrew letters "Bet Hey", which stand for the Hebrew blessing "Be Ezrat Ha Shem," or "with G-d's help." pretty kewl

Christopher Colombus was from somewhere in Italy. Where he really is not really known. If he was Jewish, Isabell wouldn't have granted him the money and the ships. Plus, he also worked with muns in the catholic church, and studied there. He also wore the cross, and.. the reason why he left Spain was not because he was been persecuted ( if so, why didnt they kill him ? ).. and the most important, he was a Mariner, a genius for that matter in that field, and it wasent him wanting to get out of Spain, but to sail and find that new route. If he wanted to get out of Spain, he would've stayed out, but he later went back... so no man, he wasent Jewish. I say it because I studied about him so much, you know, in South America all the Colombus and explorer stuff is studied thoroughly. But then, who knows, he could have been, but as for the official stuff that I know, he isnt.

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