where to find those really underground new songs

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Posted by montie on Oct-15-2003 07:09:

where to find those really underground new songs

sorry about the title of this thread.
i was listening to James Holden's new Balance album which is absolutly amazing, and realized that i know barely any of the songs or the producers on there. i mean i know nathan fake - outhouse, Luke Chable's remix of PQM's You are sleeping, Ficta - Eli (which is also on James Zabiela's sound in motion), and i know of FC Kahuna.
now of course this is a great thing that mr. holden put together an awsome mix of all unknown songs (atleast to me), i was wondering why i can't seem to find any tracks similar to these.
I know that most of the tracks on this album are unreleased, but i've never even heard of most of these producers. most of the time when i see a new album i'll be able to recognize most of the songs on there or the producers.

when i pick up new stuff of dancerecords.com or chemical-records.com i never see stuff that is this sorta style nor this "unkown." must of the stuff i find there is pretty generic or more poppy. don't get me wrong i love the selection at these two stores which i shop at regularly, but what i'm trying to get at is if anyone knows of any stores out there where you can find less "mainstream" stuff (a very hard word to use here, since chem records and dancerecords do have a great selection of records that are anything than mainstream when compared to most of the stuff thats being played at poppy clubs out there).

i'm looking for record stores that have records that push the envelope more. one's where your not gonna find the new AvB track or the new release off of Yoshitoshi, but ones your gonna find by those producers you've never heard of, nor will you hear of prolly ever again. stores that have more experimental music that will work well in dance environment.

Posted by Flash Bastard on Oct-15-2003 16:05:

i think .. you must have luck and search trough alot of promo's .. and maybe also have connecting in the scene dunno ...

Posted by VIO on Oct-15-2003 16:25:

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Originally posted by Flash Bastard
i think .. you must have luck and search trough alot of promo's .. and maybe also have connecting in the scene dunno ...

nailed it. perfect answer. i go through about 1000 tracks a month before i find the one's i like. cheers.

Posted by Flash Bastard on Oct-15-2003 16:30:

... i mean a good song is a good song wethever pvd spins it or you have it in your vinyl collection .. get the point

Posted by VIO on Oct-15-2003 16:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Flash Bastard
... i mean a good song is a good song wethever pvd spins it or you have it in your vinyl collection .. get the point

exactly!!!

Posted by montie on Oct-15-2003 19:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Flash Bastard
... i mean a good song is a good song wethever pvd spins it or you have it in your vinyl collection .. get the point

*sigh
of course it doesn't matter where the song comes from. i never said it did.

All I'm saying is i wanna find some new record stores which have songs your not gonna normally find at the main vinyl stores. stuff thats electronic but more different than the normal prog,house, or trance tunes.
Like at most of the sites listed in the sticky at the top of this forum your not gonna find anything by Ulrich Schnauss.

quote:
i think .. you must have luck and search trough alot of promo's .. and maybe also have connecting in the scene dunno ...

yes this is very true.

Posted by mikefasssy on Oct-15-2003 20:11:

www.releaserecords.com has pretty good selection of not so popular tracks, but mostly just prog stuff

Posted by Zzyzx on Oct-15-2003 22:04:

quote:
Originally posted by montie
All I'm saying is i wanna find some new record stores which have songs your not gonna normally find at the main vinyl stores. stuff thats electronic but more different than the normal prog,house, or trance tunes.

Psyshop.com for me at the moment.

Zzyzx

Posted by sebjr on Oct-19-2003 09:31:

very good question montie, i was wondering the same thing.

i pretty much use chemical and juno for all my orders. it does irk me a bit to see tunes i like, suddenly disappear and then reappear later on - this means

1) everyone else is buying the same tunes i am

but also good

2) i have somewhat decent taste??

the thing about chemical and juno is that they must get almost every promo/new release, so theres pretty much no chance of a tune being released, and them not picking up a copy. the only way i could see that happening was a promo sent directly to big DJ's...

so i think as long as you keep up to date with whats being released on the big internet sites (the ones with huge selection), you wont really miss any tunes that noone else has heard - because that doesnt tend to happen anymore does it...

one other point is that most people dont have the time to listen to every single tune that is released on these internet sites, so if you make the time to go through them ALL, you are getting ahead in that way.

Posted by TiksA on Oct-20-2003 08:40:

You have to understand that djs like Holden, Armin, PvD and basically every other dj thats top25 in the world gets send tens of thousands of these promo releases that never make it.

Out of them they will maybe find 3 or 4 decent songs to include on their new albums.

Then, they get send special promos that no one else gets for awhile from decent artists, and from their they might find 3 or 4 decent songs to include on their new albums.

And then finally they get send new stuff from the top producers and pros and they get few songs from their too.... you get the point!

You wanna play music no one else plays you gonna have to do major research, coz if ur a nobody, then nobody will send you shit :P

Posted by montie on Oct-20-2003 09:44:

thanks for all the input guys. been checking out those site suggested.

and yeah i understand that alot of those guys like holden, avb, nick warren get sent tons of stuff all hte time that no one else will ever hear of.

your right. it takes tons of research. keep digging deep and listen to as many tracks as you can.

Posted by Billabong on Oct-20-2003 09:52:

There are thousands of songs hidden away if you look hard, i found the deep dish mix of impressive instant by searching through about 7 sites and found it on my last site, after flicking through 14 pages of progressive songs. They are out there.

Posted by Omegasox on Oct-20-2003 13:56:

You answered yourself in your post. A lot of the great "underground" stuff is unreleased as you said. I constantly find myself going "wow" to some tune I never heard only to find it's unreleased. I don't know if these people aren't sending their tracks out to get signed or if the labels are just retarded. More often than not, the great stuff that isn't being caned is unsigned.

Posted by progressivepey on Oct-21-2003 07:52:

there are a lot of tracks out there that are totally popular.. like for instance if you go to dancerecords.com and search the site you'll find tons of songs that are well known... but if you search through the site you'll also find tite songs that aren't too popular. i was looking through dancerecords.com and previewed lots of good not-well known tracks. totally aweomse songs and i've never heard any hot djs spin it and none of my friends have heard it either. so in that way you still can find good music that even the most popular djs don't have... white labels are really the best way to go. to get a song on vinyl you'll have to wait until it is remixed about four times and then they will release the track to the public. if you don't want to wait around that whole time you can buy the white label and start spinning the track before anyone else has it..

btw... does anyone know when andain - beautiful things (g&d mix) is coming out!?

pEy

Posted by sektile on Oct-21-2003 09:13:

holden said on his jjj interview that a lot of the tracks on his album were actually from close friends of his - so thats another factor... :/
wish i had friends like that ;p

Posted by Luke Terry on Oct-21-2003 12:29:

try spending time in the cd/new releases discussion on this site aswell as picking stuff up from music discussion, if often pays to listen to all the samples of the week's new releases at www.juno.co.uk then downloading the track to see what you think, i know that was has made me stumble upon a few gems before!